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Timing chain failure on the Dodge Challenger

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#1 · (Edited)
I have been finding many reports of the timing chain breaking on the Dodge Challenger, mostly in the 5.7L Hemi engines. The timing chain breaks in most reported instances around the 35K-40K mile range.

Once the timing chain breaks, the end result is usually the valves smacking the pistons which bend the valves, damages the pistons and leads to catastrophic engine failure. This often requires a new long block.

How many of you have had the timing chain break? How many miles on the car when when it happened? and what was your experience in getting it repaired?

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Known instances of the timing chain breaking on the 5.7L Dodge Challenger just in this forum alone in the past few months:

1. 06/27/2011 -- mileage not mentioned -- ... come to find out the timing chain broke ...

2. 07/19/2011 -- 85,000 miles -- ... and the timing chain broke...

3. 09/27/2011 -- 33,385 miles -- 2009 R/T Motor Broke

4. 11/23/2011 -- 38,000 miles -- Club member's car. Broken timing chain. Car in shop for over two months.

5. 12/07/2011 -- 34,000 miles -- I found this thread the hard way...

6. 12/19/2011 -- 22,600 miles -- 2010 Challenger - Timing Chain Breaks...

7. 01/21/2012 -- 60,000 miles -- Engine went..........

8. 02/02/2012 -- 38,000 miles -- 2009 Challenger R/T lost a second motor .. (Second occurrence. See #3 above. 4,000 miles on new motor).

9. 03/08/2012 -- 50,000 miles -- BLOWN ENGINE 50,000 miles

10. 03/23/2012 -- 14,000 miles -- ... my timing chain snapped

11. 04/04/2012 -- 53,500 miles -- My timing chain just broke today ...

12. 04/16/2012 -- 46,000 miles -- Mine is in the shop with a broken timing chain...

13. 04/27/2012 -- 31,000 miles -- My chain broke back in December of 2011 ...

14. 05/22/2012 -- 37,000 miles -- Here's another 2010 Auto R/T with a broken timing chain! ...

15. 06/13/2012 -- 40,257 miles -- I too have a broken timing chain ...

16. 06/23/2012 -- 38,485 miles -- Guess I can be added to the list ...

17. 06/26/2012 -- 38,500 miles -- Just happened last Saturday ...

18. 08/02/2012 -- 59,134 miles -- ... all of a sudden Bam the engine shuts down

19. 08/03/2012 -- 38,000 miles -- I had this happen at 38000 miles, 2010 R/T Auto

20. 08/08/2012 -- 27,000 miles -- The timing chain on my 2010 R/T just broke ...

21. 08/10/2012 -- 59,300 miles -- ... timing chain broke again. (Third occurrence. See #3 and #8 above. 16,000 miles on new motor).

22. 08/10/2012 -- 63,000 miles -- ... timing chain broke cruising at 70mph on the highway

23. 09/03/2012 -- 40,000 miles -- ... while driving to dallas my timing chain broke

24. 09/11/2012 -- 24,000 miles -- Welp - chalk up another one ... (first 2011 to be reported here)

25. 09/21/2012 -- 31,100 miles -- This just happened a few days ago ...

26. 10/10/2012 -- 42,559 miles -- Well it's looking like I'm the latest timing chain victim ...

27. 10/24/2012 -- 65,000 miles -- ... driving on the highway 65MPH and "Pop goes to weasel"

28. 11/18/2012 -- 40,000 miles -- Mine just broke...2010 mopar 10, no mods, auto ... (first to break not at highway speeds)

29. 11/19/2012 -- 39,000 miles -- just got another 2010 with 39000 in today ...

30. 12/04/2012 -- 40,000 miles -- The timing chain on my 2010 Auto RT broke last Friday ...

31. 12/09/2012 -- miles pending -- ... R/T not running at the moment timing chain broke ...

32. 12/11/2012 -- 27,000 miles -- ... cruising on the interstate at 70, MDS on, when suddenly loss of power ...

33. 01/03/2013 -- 58,000 miles -- ... the dealer has confirmed that I did have a timing chain failure.

34. 01/22/2013 -- 40,000 miles -- It has been confirmed I as well did have a broken timing chain

35. 01/22/2013 -- 43,000 miles -- 2010 R/T, 5-speed auto with mds. No mods at all.

36. 02/22/2013 -- 52,000 miles -- ... it happen to me this weekend ...

37. 04/15/2013 -- 55,000 miles -- I have now become victim to a failed timing chain

38. 04/20/2013 -- 73,000 miles -- cruising at 65 mph, in MSD, engine 'shut down'

39. 05/13/2013 -- 66,000 miles -- lost it on the interstate doing 73 in MDS

40. 05/20/2013 -- 56.616 miles -- ... on the freeway headed to work in the rain and Wham

41. 05/24/2013 -- 28,000 miles -- the chain went on the highway at 70+ mph

42. 06/07/2013 -- 88,256 miles -- ... driving down the highway heard a loud pop ...

43. 07/01/2013 -- 52,000 miles -- Timing chain broke on freeway ...

44. 07/23/2013 -- 54,057 miles -- Was in a canyon going uphill at about 55mph ... (claims MDS not engaged)

45. 07/26/2013 -- 49,000 miles -- Cruising along 65 mph engine stalled.

46. 08/10/2013 -- 22,281 miles -- I wish I found this topic sooner

47. 09/17/2013 -- 40,091 miles -- driving 74 mph in cruse control just died ...

48. 10/04/2013 -- 68,000 miles -- Add another one to the list OMG.

49. 10/22/2013 -- 89,000 miles -- Timing chain went on my 09 Challenger

50. 11/13/2013 -- 55,320 miles -- I had hoped I would never be posting this message ...

51. 11/13/2013 -- 42,342 miles -- Just got up to highway speed Bam Powerloss ...

52. 11/21/2013 -- 53,000 miles -- Add me to the list of failures ...

53. 11/27/2013 -- 73,000 miles -- I was cruising at highway speeds (70 mph), in MDS

54. Recall initiated, see below.

Remember, these reports are from this forum alone. Real world numbers are greatly increased.

The things in common when the timing chain breaks so far are:

1. MDS is activated (auto trans., so 6-speed are excluded)
2. Traveling at freeway speeds (or coming off of freeway)
3. 2009-2011 model years affected so far.
4. Limited to the 5.7L motor so far
5. Dodge Challenger only

Things ruled out thus far:

A. 6-speed manual transmissions not affected
B. Other 5.7L vehicles not affected, i.e., Charger, 300, Ram truck
C. New guide shoe (white color) has also failed (see #8 on list of failures)
D. New crate motor has also failed (see #3 and #8 on list of failures)
E. Both stock and mod cars affected
F. Both stock tune and Predator tune (with MDS turned on) affected
G. All oil change intervals affected, i.e., 3,000 miles, 5,000 miles, etc.
H. All types of oil affected, i.e., both synthetic and conventional oil

* Author's notes (last updated 10/28/13):

(1) When I created this thread, I was so taken back by a timing chain failure happening and discovering at least a half dozen similar occurrences, that I attempted to discover if anyone here had experienced a timing chain failure and what their dealership experience was. I got a lot of adverse feedback along the lines of "alarmist" and "chicken little" and other name calling, including some from dealerships and master mechanics, as can be seen in just the first few hundred posts below. Many attempted to derail this thread by taking it off-topic on many, many occasions. Some are still out there promoting denial of the issue. Still, the problem remains, it is real and it continues to plague fellow Challenger owners.

(2) The timing chain concern can be alleviated by disabling MDS (a band-aid solution not a fix). All but one recent report have shown that MDS was engaged and the car was traveling at freeway speeds. You can prevent MDS from being activated by switching into manual mode while driving on the freeway. You can read How to use the Autostick feature and manual mode here. You can also use a tuner to disable the MDS feature, but be forewarned, if the dealership discovers your use of a tuner on the car, you are in for a fight to get the repairs done under warranty.

(3) Chrysler is aware of the issue and has been monitoring this thread for some time regardless of they might tell you. In addition, many people have already telephoned customer service and have written to Chrysler directly. But, even without all of that, you don't have timing chains, tensioners, heads and short blocks rolling out of the warehouse in the numbers that they have without raising some internal red flags of a potential issue.

(4) Talks of running off to court and filing a lawsuit over this issue are misguided. Your warranty specifically states that you MUST first submit the matter to arbitration. Any lawsuit would be immediately dismissed, and now you are out the filing fees.

(5) When I first created this thread, the weekly parts demand for timing chains was at about 15. It is currently hovering around 35 at the moment.

(6) Chrysler has switched from the black tensioner and guide to white (supposedly stronger) and then to an aluminum tensioner and guide with a plastic face plate (the current part). Both black and white guides have failed. No reports of the aluminum failing yet but they are relatively new first showing up in mid-2013 R/T's.

(7) The exact cause of the timing chain failure is still unknown. In fact, it may never been known. There are just too many factors involved to isolate the problem, and if we haven't discovered the cause in over 350,000 page views, how can we expect Chrysler to? While there is a lot of speculation as to the exact cause, which seems to go round-and-round every few hundred posts, it is all just that -- speculation. What we do for for certain is that MDS is playing a part in the timing chain failures.

(8) Special shout outs to Desert Bum, Hal H, hmk123, Force10, 19johned53, and the nameless many who have helped to keep this issue real and on topic. Your comments are appreciated.

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* Author's notes (last updated 02/12/14):

Customer Satisfaction Notification P01
Engine Timing Chain and Chain Guide
Models
IMPORTANT: Some of the involved vehicles may be in dealer used vehicle inventory. Dealers should complete this repair on these vehicles before retail delivery. Dealers should also perform this repair on vehicles in for service. Involved vehicles can be determined by using the VIP inquiry process.
Subject
Repair
2009-2012 (LC) Dodge Challenger
(LD) Dodge Charger
(LX) Chrysler 300
NOTE: This recall applies only to the above vehicles equipped with a 5.7L Hemi engine (sales code EZD or EZH), automatic transmission (sales code DGJ) and rear axle ratio 3.06, 3.73 or 3.92 (sales code DMP, DME or DMH) built from August 04, 2008 through July 10, 2012 (MDH 080406 through 071008).
The engine timing chain guide on about 50,800 of the above vehicles may fracture. A fractured engine timing chain guide could cause the engine timing chain to break. A broken engine timing chain will result in severe engine damage.
The engine timing chain, timing chain tensioner and timing chain guide must be replaced.
Customer Satisfaction Notification P01 Engine Timing Chain and Chain Guide Page 2
Part Number Description
CBPRN291AA Engine Timing Chain Package
Each package contains the following components:
Quantity Description
1 Chain, Engine Timing
1 Guide, Engine Timing Chain
1 Tensioner, Engine Timing Chain
1 O-ring, Oil Pick-up Tube
1 Gasket, Engine Timing Cover
NOTE: Order two heater tube O-rings separately listed below for each repair.
Part Number Description
53013736AA O-ring, Heater Tube (order two per vehicle)
Each dealer
to whom vehicles in the recall were assigned will receive enough Engine Timing Chain Packages to service about 5% of those vehicles.

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Recall type:

Customer Satisfaction Notification - Customer Satisfaction Notifications are preventive in nature and involve warranty or customer satisfaction issues such as non-safety repairs. Chrysler will correct the problem, at no charge, even if the vehicle is out of warranty and you are not the original owner.

You can check if your vehicle is subject to the timing chain issue recall (or any other recall) by visiting the Chrysler website and entering your vehicle's VIN number. Visit: http://www.chrysler.com/en/mobile/webselfservice/

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We really want to thank everyone who wrote us, (Pietro), with their timing chain concerns. The engineering team has completed their work and the following statement has been released. If there are any questions, reach out to us on this forum as opposed to sending an email as that will be quicker.

Chrysler Group is launching a customer-service action to bolster timing-chain system durability in certain cars equipped with 5.7-liter HEMI® V-8 engines.

The decision follows an extensive investigation to determine the precise issue and appropriate remedy.
The investigation discovered the engine’s fuel-saving cylinder-deactivation technology may cause an adverse interaction with the timing-chain system. (Chrysler Group is unaware of any related injuries or accidents.) As a result, the Company will replace – at no cost to customers – the timing chains, tensioners and guides in certain vehicles built between Aug. 4, 2008 and July 10, 2012.

Affected are certain model-year 2009-2012 Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 full-size sedans, and Dodge Challenger sport coupes. The scope is limited to vehicles equipped with 5-speed automatic transmissions and axle ratios of 3.06, 3.73 or 3.92.

Beginning this month, Chrysler Group will contact affected customers with instructions to schedule service appointments with their dealers.

Chrysler Group greatly appreciates the patience demonstrated by its customers while this issue was under investigation. The Company also values and shares the passion expressed on these pages by customers and fans alike.

Thanks,

DodgeCares
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Article: Timing Chain Failure on the Dodge Challenger – Ground Zero

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#484 ·
Every day I follow this thread and I get more and more nauseous.

Right now, I have a $30K Hemi Orange paperweight sitting in my garage because I genuinely fear that I will be the first six-speed guy with a busted timing chain and subsequently, a junkyard engine. I don't want a repaired blown engine. I want a brand new piece of junk engine.

I wish the aftermarket would promptly come out with a super-duper, double-roller, kick-ass timing chain so I could lay under my brand new car, get all greasy, and install a timing chain that might actually last until I can enjoy this car in retirement.

I have a very, very strong urge to sell this POS before the engine blows up and breaks my heart.

Problem is, I have an even BIGGER problem actually believing that the $30K Hemi Orange paperweight in my garage actually IS a POS.

Only time will tell I guess.

<3K on the odometer, at the moment.
 
#489 ·
Thanks Luke, just "wondering". It seems like anything that is a revision, is a revision for some reason.

That said, the revision may not actually be a "better" part, but a part that fits more of whatever, or has a small change to it, that doesn't affect anything.

Just makes me wonder what the "rev" really is in this case.

I was at my small dealer earlier this week and asked about timing chain failures on the 5.7 engines. I got the "what are you talking about look" from them.

Granted, they don't sell a lot of Challengers, but they have put a bunch of 5.7 Rams and Jeeps on the street.

We had a good conversation and they said that they haven't had any failures come to their service department. ZERO.

That made me feel better........................................and I don't want to be "the first" LOL
 
#491 ·
...only that 9 mi isn't nearly enough, right? :)
 
#501 ·
What are you talking about. MDS is not part of an emissions package. There is no legal issue of disabling it. Dealers won't do it because they can't. Unless you can reprogram the PCM with a VIN from a 6 speed.
I'm betting since disabling would affect mileage and so total emissions, it would be a no no for a dealer or any service shop to permanently disable it. Too bad or I'd be in the market for an R/T auto now instead of either another manual or a SXT.
 
#506 ·
I'm betting since disabling would affect mileage and so total emissions, it would be a no no for a dealer or any service shop to permanently disable it. Too bad or I'd be in the market for an R/T auto now instead of either another manual or a SXT.
When running a smog test, MDS is not enabled, and the emission requriments would be the same as a non MDS Challeneger.

Yes, better mileage obvisously would lower emission output. My MDS is disabled through the Predator, and I'm not breaking any law.
 
#493 ·
A "revision" indicator (number, suffix, icon stamped on part, etc.) may be as simple as a different supplier or supplying plant, part of the industry wide SPC (statistical process control) system that enables tracking parts back to the supplier, date, batch, run, shift, line, etc., so IF defects crop up, the beginning & end of that batch of parts can be tracked back & determination made of the cause, corrections to machinery, etc., and recalls of ALL affected units, and ONLY those, will be possible.

In no way insures that "revised" part is better than the original. Sometimes parts are revised to make them cheaper to build or easier/quicker to install. Maybe they are TOO good, over-engineered, and a cheaper part is deemed good enough to last just long enough to get thru the warranty period, which is all that matters to the penny-pinching bean counters....

Guns:
Initial shipments of M16s WITHOUT Stoner's specified chromed innards & clean powder type were VETOED by manicured nail, stuffed-shirt egghead Macnamara as unnecessary!! Cleaning kits deemed unnecessary as well! MANY GIs DIED due to that GREENHORN'S penny-pinching, know-it-all decision. REVISED BACK to original specs & became the gun Stoner designed, lives on 40+ yrs later & spawned an entire industry of mods & variations.

Sucky revision: Would you rather have an early machined receiver or "revised" stamped sheet metal AK47?
 
#495 ·
A "revision" indicator (number, suffix, icon stamped on part, etc.) may be as simple as a different supplier or supplying plant, part of the industry wide SPC (statistical process control) system that enables tracking parts back to the supplier, date, batch, run, shift, line, etc., so IF defects crop up, the beginning & end of that batch of parts can be tracked back & determination made of the cause, corrections to machinery, etc., and recalls of ALL affected units, and ONLY those, will be possible.

In no way insures that "revised" part is better than the original. Sometimes parts are revised to make them cheaper to build or easier/quicker to install. Maybe they are TOO good, over-engineered, and a cheaper part is deemed good enough to last just long enough to get thru the warranty period, which is all that matters to the penny-pinching bean counters....

Guns:
Initial shipments of M16s WITHOUT Stoner's specified chromed innards & clean powder type were VETOED by manicured nail, stuffed-shirt egghead Macnamara as unnecessary!! Cleaning kits deemed unnecessary as well! MANY GIs DIED due to that GREENHORN'S penny-pinching, know-it-all decision. REVISED BACK to original specs & became the gun Stoner designed, lives on 40+ yrs later & spawned an entire industry of mods & variations.

Sucky revision: Would you rather have an early machined receiver or "revised" stamped sheet metal AK47?

agreed revisions are not always better, in this case i think it is
Luke
 
#497 ·
1 Month and 2 weeks, still no car...today is supposed to be the day it is fixed, and I have decided to go the media if its not resolved today, as a matter of fact maybe everyone that has had this problem should do the the same. Right now this is a low profile matter and the easiest fix for Dodge is to "temporarily" fix the problem. I think everyone should call there local news agency and get it out on the airways....carmakers can't afford the bad publicity!
 
#499 ·
1 Month and 2 weeks, still no car...today is supposed to be the day it is fixed, and I have decided to go the media if its not resolved today, as a matter of fact maybe everyone that has had this problem should do the the same. Right now this is a low profile matter and the easiest fix for Dodge is to "temporarily" fix the problem. I think everyone should call there local news agency and get it out on the airways....carmakers can't afford the bad publicity!
Media would be good if you were sucsessful in getting your story to air...

Or you could do like my friend Niel did. He stuck to the door of his Dodge, a humongous lemon magnet sign that read "I got my Lemon @____________" and would park across the street from the dealer that wouldn't make things right with the car they sold him. Only took 2 days before the dealer changed their tune.
 
#498 ·
Today being Friday the 13th, MY car will be staying home....I would leave the dealer alone today & try to have a pleasant weekend....but that's just me....
 
#503 ·
I remember, when they updated the PCM of my Magnum, the dealer had to put a sticker under the hood documenting the PCM update and it said something that it complied with emission regulations.
 
#505 ·
Is everyone brain dead? If you don't want to run MDS just use autostick 100% of the time.Nothing illegal about that.Does require thinking about how you drive.I guess the thinking part is too difficult for some.:)
 
#508 ·
I finally got my car back....everything seems to be fine....the list of replacement parts was incredible! Probably could have saved money just replacing engine....engine seems to run smoother than before...and actually sounds better, probably just my imagination sense my loaner car was a Toyota Yaris! Haven't had car in D yet, been driving in autostick.....I'm scared!

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#510 ·
If Dodge was to replace these blown engines with "crate engines" they would:
1)Save a bundle of labor pay out to dealerships.
2) Be SURE that the engine was done 100% correct the FIRST time with NO comebacks. 3)Put the customer behind the wheel in a fraction of the time.
4)Have a 99% better chance at avoiding further trouble with that car.
5)Maybe make a loyal customer for life!
6)Be able to rebuild the engine at the factory to make it 100%, then sell as seasoned crate engine w/full wnty at a reduced cost from green engine.
7)Determine EXACTLY how these engines are grenading plus any other concerns that can be revised on the production line.
8)One-up the competition & get GREAT PRESS to exploit to the nth degree!
9)Maybe pull in some Ford & GM customers to the Dodge family.
10)Maybe either offer at extra charge, or just include, better heads, more cam, a hotter ECU, better TB or intake, ANYTHING they can address midstream to help put another carlength on the competition. Maybe the 2013 engine? What an ingenious coup THAT would be!

Each of the pro points above, are, right now under current policy, NEGATIVE POINTS that HURT Dodge sales, FOR SURE!

What happened to the GREAT heritage of Dodge? They ARE blowing it! Once it goes, it's awfully hard to get back! Losing Petty & Penske in NASCAR is a BIG MISTAKE. Bean counters be DAMNED!

How can they be SO ignorant? Bean counters outrank QC & marketing?

How can we get Dodge to see the reality of this situation RE: how they CAN turn a negative into a GREAT positive?
 
#512 ·
If Dodge was to replace these blown engines with "crate engines" they would:
1)Save a bundle of labor pay out to dealerships.
2) Be SURE that the engine was done 100% correct the FIRST time with NO comebacks. 3)Put the customer behind the wheel in a fraction of the time.
4)Have a 99% better chance at avoiding further trouble with that car.
5)Maybe make a loyal customer for life!
6)Be able to rebuild the engine at the factory to make it 100%, then sell as seasoned crate engine w/full wnty at a reduced cost from green engine.
7)Determine EXACTLY how these engines are grenading plus any other concerns that can be revised on the production line.
8)One-up the competition & get GREAT PRESS to exploit to the nth degree!
9)Maybe pull in some Ford & GM customers to the Dodge family.
10)Maybe either offer at extra charge, or just include, better heads, more cam, a hotter ECU, better TB or intake, ANYTHING they can address midstream to help put another carlength on the competition. Maybe the 2013 engine? What an ingenious coup THAT would be!

Each of the pro points above, are, right now under current policy, NEGATIVE POINTS that HURT Dodge sales, FOR SURE!

What happened to the GREAT heritage of Dodge? They ARE blowing it! Once it goes, it's awfully hard to get back! Losing Petty & Penske in NASCAR is a BIG MISTAKE. Bean counters be DAMNED!

How can they be SO ignorant? Bean counters outrank QC & marketing?

How can we get Dodge to see the reality of this situation RE: how they CAN turn a negative into a GREAT positive?
That's just too easy, and just makes too much sense.
 
#511 ·
Another thought - aren't these cars equipped with "black box" data recorders? Anybody have knowledge of what all data points are tracked?? And why Dodge is not (or ARE they) gathering that data?
 
#513 · (Edited)
Agreed...I was about to reply to that post, as well.

The chain failures may be a small fraction of customers, but that is also one more customer who can either say:

Wow, what a pisser of an experience for a Dodge car! Will I buy again from this brand? Probably not. Will I ever recommend a Dodge after this? You're kidding, right?...a fricken timing chain went out at 40k?! How do you overlook that?

or

Wow, that was a "bad one" I got, but they sure took care of me...turned the clock back to zero, and gave me a brand new engine I can feel good about as if new...because it is new.

A few crate engines is penny's worth compared to either very good PR or very bad PR from a customer, right?
 
#514 ·
Yep, it appears that the number of total failures is small, but the headaches for the owners are HUGE..............especially with a dealer that's not on top of things.

Add to the fact that a lot of failures may not be close to the owners home, and the PITA gets bigger.

The "flagship" Dodge car, in the shop for weeks or more, getting dinged up, parted back together........................................BS, plain and simple.

Put a crate in it, and make the owner feel like he has the "best" Doge out there.

Whoops, must be dreaming.....................that would be just too darn easy of a fix.
 
#517 ·
After I started reading about failures on MDS engines I just made sure to never use "Drive" again. And if someone would come out with a handheld, I would disable MDS.
 
#528 ·
Are there new part numbers with the upgraded parts? If so can you list them here:

Thanks
 
#520 ·
Hello fello mopar peeps, just joined thread due to reading about this TC issue. I own a 2009 hemi orange rt with only 2000 miles on it, garage kept, a real beauty. After reading the horror stories about this car I am sick and disgusted how this could be happening to a 30-40 thousand dollar car. I bought a tickin time bomb I'm afraid now to drive. The only thing that keeps my hopes up that there will be a fix for this is this thread, thanks to all motorheads and there knowledge to find answers to the options available.


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#523 ·
Hello fello mopar peeps, just joined thread due to reading about this TC issue. I own a 2009 hemi orange rt with only 2000 miles on it, garage kept, a real beauty. After reading the horror stories about this car I am sick and disgusted how this could be happening to a 30-40 thousand dollar car. I bought a tickin time bomb I'm afraid now to drive. The only thing that keeps my hopes up that there will be a fix for this is this thread, thanks to all motorheads and there knowledge to find answers to the options available.


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drive it like you stole it, you could die tomorrow from a heart attack too!!!

stop fretting, thats why they have garages behind every dealer in the world

Luke
 
#521 ·
Stop being nauseaus and drive the car like you stole it, that's what I am doing. I have a brand new R/T, 2 months old, with 2k on it and am just plain enjoying the heck out of it. Most failures have been happening at between 30k and 40k, so we are both a long way from there.
 
#522 ·
Drive it and enjoy it. One can only "speculate" at this point if "his" car will be one of the unlucky ones.

I've just hit 20k, and I run it hard, and do a lot of road trips with the MDS on. No problem yet, and I'm not going to quit enjoying this car.

If it happens, it happens. If mine shoots the crap, then I'll deal with it at the time, and turn into an "assclown" if needed.
 
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