Originally Posted by DanRealtor
Thank you! You made my point exactly!
In Switzerland and Italy the Manufacturer dictates the price and everyone pays more for their cars! As the guys from the Guinness commercial say: BRILLIANT!
Then everyone in the US could enjoy Scottsdale AZ Pricing! Woo Hoo! (More like Boo Hoo for most people though)
The dealers are not acting as a bottleneck. When cars like SRT-8's really are in short supply, the dealer is not motivated to sell one when they get it. Ask any dealer: They sell a lot of base models or other less expensive cars to people who come in to see the SRT-8 that isn't in their bugdget!
If the dealers could get as many SRT-8's as they wanted the price would be cheaper. The dealer would love to sell 20 SRT-8's. They just can't get the allocations.
And regardless of pricing, there are a finite number of people in the market for a new car each month. GM's problem has nothing to do with the mark up on a Z06 (it was 38k in October, now it's only 15k here in AZ). GM's problem is a lack of vision. Too many models and no Style. Look at their new Malibu SS. They'd better offer a low price to sell those!
Ford sells a lot of trucks. Mustangs are still popular. I like the retro styling. But other than that? What do they offer?
DCX just posted better numbers AGAIN for the month, quarter and year! They offer style throughout their entire product line.
I stand by my original post supporting Free Enterprise based on supply and demand. Feel free to not buy if you don't like the price.
No, dude, LOL...you got it all wrong: cars (and everything else, I might add...I
really mean it:
everything costs more in Europe than in the USA) in Europe cost more than here because there are much more taxes on them, it's
not due to the fact that car prices are regulated by the manufacturers !
Come on, be serious...
Oh, and of course over there you can as well get cars
under the MRP, like here, but price gouging is
not allowed, not even a cent: after all doesn't it make sense seen that the MSRP is the price that manufacturers consider fair for selling their products to their clients ??? To me it does.
I understand that high end models sell less than more bread-and-butter ones do, but in any case you must admit that putting a mark up on any vehicle will not for sure make it more interesting to a possible buyer: raising a vehicle's price cannot be considered under any circumstance something that invites a client to buy a car... And from this point of view, it can only be considered a hindering to the production of that type of vehicle (in simple words: it does not help to sell it --> no sale, no need to produce more...)...Even if you don't agree with this, I still am not seeing any advantage that mark ups offer, not only to possible buyers but as well to manufacturers and their workers.
This said, I understand that the major problem of GM and Ford is not mark ups, I am not so naive and neither are you for sure, but I am sure that if mark ups have any impact on their situation, for SURE it cannot be anything positive and I am persuaded of that, unless you can prove me wrong on this...
Of course I feel free not to buy if I don't like the practice of price gouging (which all in all I consider pretty much immoral...to me it's legalised robbery. As I already stated, there is a solution, but I guess in the USA people prefer to be robbed of several thousand dollars...I don't understand why, but hey good for you, if you like it. I personally don't...): as a matter of fact, seen that I put my money where my mouth is, I already happened to be in a situation like that.
In January '05, I was shopping around for a 2005 Ford Mustang GT and all dealership I visited (7 or 8 of them) had mark ups of at least 5k, some even 10k (on a 25K car !!! Were they crazy or what ?). I finally found one with the color and options I wanted at MSRP and I bought her. If I couldn't have found one at MSRP, I would have bought an Acura TL (which was my choice at the time, after the new Mustang of course). And why is that ? To save 5 or 10k ? No, PURELY for a matter of principle.
