Well , he had a drop in K&N filter and royal purple but here ya go ...

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Dam that is fast nice run!!!!




BW

one hell of a run there!

i want to see the video

I'd prolly call BS if Mush wasn't there to confirm. The guy apparently knows how to drive that thing. Kudos to him. The last guy to claim that he was running that kind of time bone stock was latter found to have been running nitrous and the Camaro5 guys changed his post to "bone stock engine with bolt-ons."

I'd prolly call BS if Mush wasn't there to confirm. The guy apparently knows how to drive that thing. Kudos to him. The last guy to claim that he was running that kind of time bone stock was latter found to have been running nitrous and the Camaro5 guys changed his post to "bone stock engine with bolt-ons."

was that the L99 that ran 12.6?

stock ss at the strip only ran low 15s, but he slipped some out of the hole, still his trap speed would have given a best of maybe low 13s...

That is fast! I won't say it is BS but he definitely needs people to verify his car was stock.

Stock or not, these modern muscle cars are bada$$!!

He ran a 12.6 that has also been confirmed over there via video ...

Well , he had a drop in K&N filter and royal purple but here ya go ...


Well then it's not stock. Either that or my Challenger runs 12.8 stock. You decide.

bro a drop in air filter isn't anything that would add to HP , and neither is royal purple ... how is that not stock ? He just uses a different oil bro what are you talking about ? Let's see someone with a bone stock SRT-8 run times like that and have all the air filters and oil you need it won't happen , the challenger has been out longer and it hasn't been recorded I still haven't seen proof of anyone running under a 13.0 bone stock regardless of choice of air filter and oil.

12.58 in a Camaro SS is a SUPER FAST and IMPRESSIVE SHOW OF DRIVING , cudos to the driver it was a manual.

He also ran 12.6's-7's so it's no doubt he's a factory freak and great driver but there are tons of Camaros that have dipped below 13 seconds ...

bro a drop in air filter isn't anything that would add to HP , and neither is royal purple ... how is that not stock ? He just uses a different oil bro what are you talking about ? Let's see someone with a bone stock SRT-8 run times like that and have all the air filters and oil you need it won't happen , the challenger has been out longer and it hasn't been recorded I still haven't seen proof of anyone running under a 13.0 bone stock regardless of choice of air filter and oil.

12.58 in a Camaro SS is a SUPER FAST and IMPRESSIVE SHOW OF DRIVING , cudos to the driver it was a manual.

He also ran 12.6's-7's so it's no doubt he's a factory freak and great driver but there are tons of Camaros that have dipped below 13 seconds ...


Actually, a K&N filter is a big gain. I have used them in many cars. That filter put my car in the twelves on the stock tires. By what you are saying then, a Challenger R/T auto runs twelves stock. I'd like to say that but, I honestly can't. The car did not come that way. It was modified, just like the Camaro was. Bone stock is bone stock from the showroom. If not, where do you draw the line?

Well then it's not stock. Either that or my Challenger runs 12.8 stock. You decide.
But if he removed the stock filter altogether it would be stock again, no?

I guess the word "stock" is subjective. I would define it as being original from the manufacturer without any aftermarket parts. Dropping the cat-back and running open pipes, removing the air filter, etc., I would consider still being stock.

But if he removed the stock filter altogether it would be stock again, no?

I guess the word "stock" is subjective. I would define it as being original from the manufacturer without any aftermarket parts. Dropping the cat-back and running open pipes, removing the air filter, etc., I would consider still being stock.


Even removing the filter is a mod. If the above is what you call stock, then what do you call a car that has never been touched at all? My car used to run 13.1. Now it runs 12.8. So which time is for a stock Challenger?

Even removing the filter is a mod. If the above is what you call stock, then what do you call a car that has never been touched at all? My car used to run 13.1. Now it runs 12.8. So which time is for a stock Challenger?
I know where you are coming from. I just think everyone is going to have their own definition of what "stock" means.

Just out of personal curiosity, I'll do some research on this and see when and where the term was first coined, how it changed through time, etc., and post that up at a later date.

The 60'ft time is really good with a 1.9xx. You would see very similiar times in the Challenger if we could get the stock F1s to hook less than a 2.0xx 60'ft.

You can get stock SRTs to run 12.8-12.9 and a lot of it has to do with your 60'ft.

Wow, very nice time; 88+ in the 1/8th is moving, then finishing with a 110 mph. Nice time slip. Its really amazing what many of the stock or near stock cars can pull these days. I have to wonder what the next generation of cars will do to keep our interest.

bro a drop in air filter isn't anything that would add to HP , and neither is royal purple ... how is that not stock ? He just uses a different oil bro what are you talking about ? Let's see someone with a bone stock SRT-8 run times like that and have all the air filters and oil you need it won't happen , the challenger has been out longer and it hasn't been recorded I still haven't seen proof of anyone running under a 13.0 bone stock regardless of choice of air filter and oil.

12.58 in a Camaro SS is a SUPER FAST and IMPRESSIVE SHOW OF DRIVING , cudos to the driver it was a manual.

He also ran 12.6's-7's so it's no doubt he's a factory freak and great driver but there are tons of Camaros that have dipped below 13 seconds ...

The SRT8 does run in the 12's with just a drop in air filter, synthetic oil and a good driver, where the hell have you been?

Anything that changes how the vehicle came from factory=not stock. Dont argue it because you're wrong.

Then again I think you're just a troll who would shoot me down if I showed you proof of a TRUE stock SRT running under 13 seconds in the quarter, and your "stock" SRT's running in the 12's too.

But I know I'm expecting too much from someone who doesnt know how to type, and uses "bro" alot.

a forty dollar drop in filter isn't going to change your time in the 1/4 mile ...

i've never seen a stock challenger with a drop in run under 13.0 , do you have any videos ? I have seen the camaro videos but not anything for the Challenger ?

And there is no way a stock r/t will touch 12's with a drop in filter

when Dodge Tony ran the 13.1 he did something with the filter ....

a forty dollar drop in filter isn't going to change your time in the 1/4 mile ...

i've never seen a stock challenger with a drop in run under 13.0 , do you have any videos ? I have seen the camaro videos but not anything for the Challenger ?

And there is no way a stock r/t will touch 12's with a drop in filter

when Dodge Tony ran the 13.1 he did something with the filter ....

Here's some slips of a STOCK SRT8, at the Modern Hemi Shootout in Bradenton, Fl. Car #21 name "John Henry".



http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz347/fljohnhenry/scan0002-1.jpg

AND..a Photo of the run:
http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz347/fljohnhenry/scan0004-1.jpg

AND a video!!

YouTube - Modern Street Hemi Shootout at Bradenton Part 2.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr6tRGDXaqE)

First run, left car (#21..just like on the timeslip).

Well , he had a drop in K&N filter and royal purple but here ya go ...

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Second time out (three runs), my best was a 13.08 with a HORRIBLE 60ft time and lots of wheel hop shifting into 2nd (and flooring it). K&N drop in filter and a catch can. With a little more practice the trap speeds show my "stock" SRT in the high 12's. And since it weighs around 200lbs more it MUST be making more HP than an SS right?

Also keep in mind that there are already more SS's on the road/track than there are SRTs... And I certainly see WAY more at the drag strip. You don't have to have taken a quantitative analysis class to know the more numbers/drivers you put out there the better your odds. I'll bet the guy that ran that mid 12 is TWICE the driver I am... What I won't bet you is that the SS is twice the car. Nor will I bet you that ANYONE can varify that he doesn't have a tune in the car? He could keep that secret from his friends and his wife and you know it. :guiness:

bro a drop in air filter isn't anything that would add to HP , and neither is royal purple ... how is that not stock ? He just uses a different oil bro what are you talking about ? Let's see someone with a bone stock SRT-8 run times like that and have all the air filters and oil you need it won't happen , the challenger has been out longer and it hasn't been recorded I still haven't seen proof of anyone running under a 13.0 bone stock regardless of choice of air filter and oil.

12.58 in a Camaro SS is a SUPER FAST and IMPRESSIVE SHOW OF DRIVING , cudos to the driver it was a manual.

He also ran 12.6's-7's so it's no doubt he's a factory freak and great driver but there are tons of Camaros that have dipped below 13 seconds ...

tons? lol drinking a little too much koolaid lately.:notallthere:

We just had our first Street Fights @ Bristol"s Thunder Valley 3-27-2010 they were 2 or 3 SS'S running high 13's or low 14's thats what I've seen. My SRT8 ran 13.8 factory stock nothing changed.

I would call that 98% stock, but still a killer run. Showroom stock SSs have managed low 13s @ HRP in Baytown. 6SPDS are all about the driver! Most 6SPD SSs run 13.50s@108.

a forty dollar drop in filter isn't going to change your time in the 1/4 mile ...

i've never seen a stock challenger with a drop in run under 13.0 , do you have any videos ? I have seen the camaro videos but not anything for the Challenger ?

And there is no way a stock r/t will touch 12's with a drop in filter

when Dodge Tony ran the 13.1 he did something with the filter ....

IMO, I would call his car - mod-stock. An air filter will increase air flow as advertised and the higher performing oil will allow his engine to rev just a bit more freely as advertised. Heavier oil wraps around the crank keeping it from reving as quick as it could with a lighter/higher performing oil. Nobody is taking anything from the Camaro, it's just that you can no longer call it showroom stock.

Whatever, it's stock. It's a maintenance item. Give credit where credit is due.

The new SS is a very capable car stock. Besides, General Motors LSX engines need about 10,000 miles on them before they really loosen up and make some power. Not sure if it is in the computer or what, but my GTO was like that. Felt like it picked up half a second from when I first bought it to when I ran it at the track when it had 18,000 miles on it.

The new 5.0L Mustangs that are coming out shortly are going to be another story too. Motor Trend has them at 0-60 in 4.3, and their dyno numbers suggest it's really making around 435hp.

I hope Dodge brings something more to the table for both the R/T and the SRT8. If only they could somehow shave about 250lbs off this thing.

omg.. who cares.. i dont think it was stock if it was kudo's if the guy cuts a 1.xx 60 foot hes diond something right. My civic pulled 88 mph in the 8th and 110 in the quarter but my times were slower.. If I had cut the .4 off my 60 foot in the rt i would have ran a 13.3 or better as the 60 foot is easily directly compensated in the quarter, usuallt 150% so that would have put me at a 13.1 bone stock with a full tank and baby seat.
No a drop in does not give you 50 hp, even if it had exhaust not a 50 hp differance, id look at some kind of gear swap or stop griping. Even with a programmer and i.h.e 12.5 is fast for our cars.. I cant see any vids from work but ill trry and watch some. as far as utube goes. most races seem to end up in our favor, but even in them the camaro traps better. i Have yet to see a sub 13 camaro here, maybe for the MCE races ill get to witness it.
Cmon guys woot woot, and 250 lbs. heck i bet its closer to 400 :)

this is a Mopar site!!!
Stop smoking that miami weed. stock camaros don't run 12:5's i'm sure that car has a custom tune. Mike sell your mopar and buy a chevy and go away your not my bro.

The 60'ft time is really good with a 1.9xx. You would see very similiar times in the Challenger if we could get the stock F1s to hook less than a 2.0xx 60'ft.

You can get stock SRTs to run 12.8-12.9 and a lot of it has to do with your 60'ft.

Agreed!

This is one of those times that I would have to look the car over and see it run to believe it.

4100 us 3800 them.. so 300 lbs

i would love to see the fuel map and timing curve.. maybe look at what supercharger he has in it..lol

im pretty good but not used to the car.. hopefully 17 april ill break 13.5 stock.

4100 us 3800 them.. so 300 lbs

Mine weighs 3950 so it's a 150 lb difference. I don't think any Challengers or Camaros run 12's showroom stock. I get 1.90 60' times on the stock Michelin tires but, 13.1 in the quarter is it.

BTW, I think we need to use the term "showroom stock" as the term "stock" is now mired in confusion. There is no cure for this. Remember the "muffler" vs "resonator discussions"?

srry I got the numbers from the car and driver web sites.. I have heard our cars way 4400 lbs.. I ran a 13.7 with a 2.3 60 foot show room stock in my rt, I think its good for 2 or 3 more tenths with track prep ect. Im looking forward to seeing some of these on the track here. they are about 20 to 1 camaro to challenger ratios in town so i would have assumed the track would be flooded withem

Nice to see a lot of Challenger owners on a Camaro site.:bigthumb::bigthumb:


Stevie Ray Lives On

Bone stock my RUMP :)....nice run though.

Did you get that SRT8 tat scrubbed off your arm yet Rudy??

a forty dollar drop in filter isn't going to change your time in the 1/4 mile ...

i've never seen a stock challenger with a drop in run under 13.0 , do you have any videos ? I have seen the camaro videos but not anything for the Challenger ?

And there is no way a stock r/t will touch 12's with a drop in filter

when Dodge Tony ran the 13.1 he did something with the filter ....

Honestly man, just gtfo of our forums. You bring nothing, and do nothing more than annoy the people here with bs from other forums and about other cars. You dont think a drop in filter would effect a camaro, but apparently it would make a stock challenger run 3 -5 tenths quicker? Gotta go one way with it man...

went to atco last night ran 11:3 in my srt all stock except for the kenne bell and long tube headers LOL, brought my brothers all stock ZL550 SLP carmaro car runs a 6psi boost best time 11:95 with Dr's got kicked off the track with SRT for going to fast gotta love that

went to atco last night ran 11:3 in my srt all stock except for the kenne bell and long tube headers LOL, brought my brothers all stock ZL550 SLP carmaro car runs a 6psi boost best time 11:95 with Dr's got kicked off the track with SRT for going to fast gotta love that

gosh, some people just don't understand! we're talking stock here, you can't tell us about the KB and LTH...I'd expect this out of the ford guys, mopar fans are supposed to be better than this.

gosh, some people just don't understand! we're talking stock here, you can't tell us about the KB and LTH...I'd expect this out of the ford guys, mopar fans are supposed to be better than this.

Sarcasm man, sarcasm.

Sarcasm man, sarcasm.

agreed :bigthumb:

Uh, this run was with the recommended oil (not RP) and the factory air filter. No debating on this one how close to stock it is: bone stock. He hit 12.6 with RP and a K&N filter and people told him it didn't count as stock so he changed it all out and went back.

Also, rumpass, multiple people have hit 12.6 or better bone stock. Including a performance shop. Why the hell would they fudge bone stock numbers because all it does is mess up their baseline for improvements. :)

well im amazed.. its 160 degress in bolin green and 100% humidity?


oh and a car ran 12.5 lol


slip seems funny more i look...

well im amazed.. its 160 degress in bolin green and 100% humidity?


oh and a car ran 12.5 lol


slip seems funny more i look...

Basically he was driving in a pot of boiling water, didnt you know?

Maybe it is a stock NICKEY Camaro...

Even with some of the stock Challenger times, compared to what I've done with some mild mods, I've gotta think some of these tracks must actually be down hill. :p

Even with some of the stock Challenger times, compared to what I've done with some mild mods, I've gotta think some of these tracks must actually be down hill. :p
...or 1000'

...or 1000'

True..does make me wonder if they're running 1000' nights and posting it as 1320's.

a close friend of mine works with this guy here in town and he told me he replaced the royal purple fluids with mobil 1 and put the factory air filter back in because of all the naysayers. i dont doubt that he will get the same good times again, if he hasnt already done so.

True..does make me wonder if they're running 1000' nights and posting it as 1320's.

Most people post their time slips. All you have to do is look at them to tell what the incrementals are.

Do I need to change back to 91 octane from 93 to be considered stock?, 91 came from the factory. come on! Seems to some the oil makes it not stock.
:scratchhead::scratchhead:

I haven't really kept up with this thread but I think it's silly to consider changing oil type as a mod. I really hope if said, it was said in jest.

Uh, this run was with the recommended oil (not RP) and the factory air filter. No debating on this one how close to stock it is: bone stock. He hit 12.6 with RP and a K&N filter and people told him it didn't count as stock so he changed it all out and went back.

Also, rumpass, multiple people have hit 12.6 or better bone stock. Including a performance shop. Why the hell would they fudge bone stock numbers because all it does is mess up their baseline for improvements. :)

Well the OP said it had a K&N drop in filter so that's not bone stock.

Tell the OP to get his dang facts right if that's not the case :)

after today and seeing 1 billion or so passes unless its with the wind off a cliff its BS.

i seen very few supercharged camaros that deep into the 12s

after today and seeing 1 billion or so passes unless its with the wind off a cliff its BS.

i seen very few supercharged camaros that deep into the 12s

:werd: my boy Plum right here was killing them in his STOCK RT

:werd: my boy Plum right here was killing them in his STOCK RT

Where is MiamiSRT8 when we need him?

I think after CamaroFest, there are going to be a lot of disappointed Camaro owners who bought into all of the car rags touting the 2SS as 12.9 or better stock.

yes.. i think motor trend races them on the playstation and then posts up times.. i wouldnt mind making a pass in one of them.. Im pretty good on the end of a clutch.. if i cant break 12.99 in a stock camaro will not go 12.5.. even in a dr suees book.

alot of the stock 2ss guys ran high 13's (few) all the way to 20's with plum running 13.5 to 13.7 constantly

Well the OP said it had a K&N drop in filter so that's not bone stock.

Tell the OP to get his dang facts right if that's not the case :)

For the 12.6 run. This 12.5 run he changed everything to stock, right down to the filter.

Also RavenX, be serious. Yeah, not everyone who owns a Camaro is a track professional but that takes nothing away from the car.

Also RavenX, be serious. Yeah, not everyone who owns a Camaro is a track professional but that takes nothing away from the car.
I haven't seen one single 12 second run posted from a stock Camaro yet at the CamaroFest. And your explanation for that is, that everyone is just a bad driver? LOL. How about the car is actually slower than it has been hyped up to be by the car rags.

Of course, CamaroFest is being held at an actual track with Christmas trees and electronic timers as opposed to the "1, 2, 3, Go!" starts and GPS calculated times used by the car rags that you have so zealously put your faith into.

We had 2 of the Camaros run at Bristol TN. Thunder Valley last thursday night Street Fights. 13.7 was the best time on one pass the rest was high 13's to low 14's. There are at least 2 or 3 there at each Street Fights. My SRT8 Challenger ran 13.8 there bone stock with me at 318 lbs and 1/4 tank of gas. I have CAI, Magna-Flow cat back and a Tuner now I'm going to borrow a set of DOT slicks and try it again this year and see what it will do like that. I'm hoping for a low 13 pass, guess we'll see here in the next few weeks.

At Tri-State yesterday we had two Camaro's show up late in the day. One was a 6 spd had a tune DR's and an catback running 12.6's. The other (an auto) was running high 13's. My bolt on RT was running 12.40's and 12.50's. It goes to show that these cars are close. I wish I lived on the east coast and could run in the same air on the same day with the faster ones to compare apples to apples.

I haven't seen one single 12 second run posted from a stock Camaro yet at the CamaroFest. And your explanation for that is, that everyone is just a bad driver? LOL. How about the car is actually slower than it has been hyped up to be by the car rags.

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These 12.5 sec glory runs can happen, with perfect conditions, track, driver, and car. Even the SRT8 Charger and Mag have a few glory runs between 12.5 and 12.8. Thing is, most car guys discount those 'exceptional' runs for what they are, and look at average times and traps across multiple runs. Only a nutswinger will scream from the rooftops that the Camaro will run 12.5.......

I haven't seen one single 12 second run posted from a stock Camaro yet at the CamaroFest. And your explanation for that is, that everyone is just a bad driver? LOL. How about the car is actually slower than it has been hyped up to be by the car rags.

Of course, CamaroFest is being held at an actual track with Christmas trees and electronic timers as opposed to the "1, 2, 3, Go!" starts and GPS calculated times used by the car rags that you have so zealously put your faith into.

Check the DA, over +1000. You run a 12 second time in that stock and you're a pretty good driver. Hence why PlumKrazy was hitting 13.5's, not low 13's. Of course you'll discount it because you have some irrational hate for the Camaro's performance. Check out C5's fast list, plenty of sub 13 stock times because the conditions were good.

With an average driver in the SS you're looking at 13-13.5 runs in good conditions, with an excellent driver it's probably 12.7-12.9.

... you have some irrational hate for the Camaro's performance .:.
Not true. I have a rational hate for armchair racers.

With an average driver in the SS you're looking at 13-13.5 runs in good conditions, with an excellent driver it's probably 12.7-12.9.

I think you are being a bit optimistic with that one.

I say average drivers.... mid/high 13's to low 14's

Excellent drivers.... 13.00 to 13.5

Very few will hit high 12's...that wont be the norm....as in rare.

Camero SS runs under 13...that is called marketing. So is Motor Trend now revealed for what it really is, a marketing arm for GM? :)
That is what they are imho.

What was the DA like? Challengertalk members are trying to say that the SS is not a high 12 second to low 13 second car because not everyone who owns a Camaro is an amazing driver.
What Challenger talk owners are saying is that the Camaro, STOCK (STOCK!!) is not a 12.5-12.7 second car with an AVERAGE driver.
Of course it isn't, but you know as well as I do that isn't the implication
I'm sorry DeathChill, did you wish to address me?? You know full well what I meant and I stand firmly behind it. Why try and stir up controversy? There was no hidden message in my post. No implications. You have repeatedly claimed the stock Camaro is a 12 second car and repeat that ad nausem. You have no first hand experience. You don't own a Camaro nor a Challenger and yet you're an expert, not only on the Camaro and the Challenger, but all things racing as well? As if you have ever been down the track yourself. pffft.

You're simply misinformed and bought into the hype. Can a stock 2SS run in the high 12s, sure, anything is possible. But as I have said before, and will say again, it's not very likely and it's not what other people are experiencing, and CamaroFest only helped to confirm that even more.

As for the Camaro, I have nothing against it. I know Chevys well and used to race them myself. I'm glad the Camaro is your dream car. I have my dream car already. Why don't you get yours and then come talk to us about how it runs down the track. Until then, you're just an armchair racer who is trying to live his dream vicariously through these forums.

I ran the car just like i did in Nov. when i went 12.62. Launched around 4000 , held it to the floor and shifted twice.

That was the guys original post on the camaro forum.Stock my a$$, maybe the drivetrain, but I do not care if it a camaro, mustang, or a challenger you launch at 4000 rpms and no drag radials or slicks you are going up in smoke.And no one can verify if anyone has a tune on their car or not. I live near the track he ran at I would love to be there when he does it again!

id say maybe 5% of the ss's out of the 400 we raced got below 13.5..... that were not supercharged , spraying or turbo cars.. very very few went below 13.0 and not a one was near 12.5 N/A and that was over 400 cars

Keep in mind that LSX engines need some miles on them before they loosen up and make some real power. There are tons of guys in 04 GTOs barely running 14.0s, but mine ran 13.50s all day long, blowing the tires off through 2nd on every run.

Good air, a good 60-ft, and a broken in engine; it's possible. If you can run 13.0s in a 6.0L GTO with 400hp, doing so in a 422hp Camaro that weighs the same as the Goat....sub 13's are not out of the question. A 12.50 is certainly improbable - but not impossible.

id say maybe 5% of the ss's out of the 400 we raced got below 13.5..... that were not supercharged , spraying or turbo cars.. very very few went below 13.0 and not a one was near 12.5 N/A and that was over 400 cars

Hmmmm. At our SRT8 track day in Houston (DA +1750 and average-to-poor track prep via John Hennessay) the tune-only SRT8s were hitting 12.9 to 13.1 like it was their day jobs. Stockers ran 13.3 to 13.7.....

id say maybe 5% of the ss's out of the 400 we raced got below 13.5..... that were not supercharged , spraying or turbo cars.. very very few went below 13.0 and not a one was near 12.5 N/A and that was over 400 cars

You'd think by the way the folks over at Camaro5 are crowing..that it was a blood bath.

Funny how it took a specially race modified Camaro to take out a street Challenger..

lololololololol

Keep in mind that LSX engines need some miles on them before they loosen up and make some real power. There are tons of guys in 04 GTOs barely running 14.0s, but mine ran 13.50s all day long, blowing the tires off through 2nd on every run.

Good air, a good 60-ft, and a broken in engine; it's possible. If you can run 13.0s in a 6.0L GTO with 400hp, doing so in a 422hp Camaro that weighs the same as the Goat....sub 13's are not out of the question. A 12.50 is certainly improbable - but not impossible.


i can agree that you can improve on your time, with break in. but knocking a second off is a lil hokey. .... and z06s are running in that range... with what a zillion hp and fatter tires and less weight.

Keep in mind that LSX engines need some miles on them before they loosen up and make some real power. There are tons of guys in 04 GTOs barely running 14.0s, but mine ran 13.50s all day long, blowing the tires off through 2nd on every run.

Good air, a good 60-ft, and a broken in engine; it's possible. If you can run 13.0s in a 6.0L GTO with 400hp, doing so in a 422hp Camaro that weighs the same as the Goat....sub 13's are not out of the question. A 12.50 is certainly improbable - but not impossible.
are you retarded? there's no way ever a stock Caramo runs 12:5 ever

i got a 1000 bucks says plumkrazy will spank his 12:5 stock car

Well , he had a drop in K&N filter and royal purple but here ya go ...

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No that was completely Bone stock even the tire pressure! I ran last fall and went 12.62 with the K@N and R.P. in it.

No that was completely Bone stock even the tire pressure! I ran last fall and went 12.62 with the K@N and R.P. in it.
and I $hit gold bricks in the morning

i got a 1000 bucks says plumkrazy will spank his 12:5 stock car
Its funny you say that cause his best pass at Camarofest was 13.5? Well mine was 12.906 at 110mph i only made one decent pass before giving up due to clutch problems and being 13 hours from home. On my 12.90 pass the clutch pedal stuck halfway to to the floor and didnt come back up till I shifted 2nd gear.The only thing i changed down thier compared to Bowling Green was tire pressure and put my stock tune on it. 6 tenths of a second slower at the same track on the same day would take your 1000 unless I couldnt cut a light!

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One of your very own members (TheMush) was present when I went 12.58 . I even had him check my car out , P.M. him and see what he says.

What was the DA at the track during camaro5fest? I'm sure it was positive but by how much?
Also, what was your 60' on the 12.90 run? I'd like to take a run against you if you go to ChallengerFest in Sept. I'm not stock of course but it'd be a good race.

if you get to close to my challenger my blower will suck that carmaro up and spit it out the tail pipe in less than 12:5 seconds

... and put my stock tune on it.
Ah, enough said right there. Penalty box for you mister.

tuner = not stock anymore

as a mopar and challenger brother..i have to tell you..i have personally raced this camaro multiple times. I was at the track last year when he ran the initial first fastest stock run. At the time, he had a drop in filter and royal purple. I got on camaro5 to give congrats on beating my challenger. They gave him hell for the filter and oil.
When the track opened back up in March i was there, in person, watched him run, inspected his car myself.
BONE STOCK, from the filter to the street tires.
The dude is legit, and a great driver. He also races outlaw or prostreet cars, and has a log book to log everyrun.
Im not a camaro fanboy, obviously. But give the dude a break.
But he will be at challengerfest and see yourself.
Look back through the At The Track section here..i think i even posted it back when it happened. I dont think its so much the car, but the driver.
I bet he could cut alot better time in my car than i can.
Look at dodgetony...he was whippin SRT's asses in is lightly modded RT before people started slapping blowers on, no one questioned that. Some people can drive, some cant...i cant..lol

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f100/so-i-race-new-camaro-ss-track-28965/

Here is the post i made last november

Mush I respect you, but it's not so much whether he actually ran 12.58, but whether or not it was bone stock when he did it -- as claimed. It only takes one little thing like an air filter for someone to claim its been modified, even if in the slightest. I think a lot of us here are a little apprehensive about these stock camaro and low ET claims after many of them have been found to have been modified in one way or another. I remember the one guy who ran in the 12s and claimed to be stock and it was later determined that he had run nitrous.

Kudos on the 12.58, but stock it's not.

Maybe we need a new class above "stock." Something like a "Street Mod" class to designate the small things like off of the shelf tuners, CAIs, cat-backs and the likes.

RaVen , you are an idiot . His car was stock he just had different oil and a filter grow up your car is slower ... save some more money and maybe you can run 12.5's too "brokey"

His car was stock he just had different oil and a filter ...
Umm ... and a tune by his own admission. Whether it was a stock tune or a modified tune we'll never know, just as you'll never know. But that tune made it a modified car.

save some more money and maybe you can run 12.5's too "brokey"
Why in the world would I want to go slower??

Ah, enough said right there. Penalty box for you mister.

tuner = not stock anymore

Read up, your not the first to bring this up!


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If your using Vector to take it back to stock, then it's not Bone Stock. Listen, your times are incredible even with Vector, so I'm not knocking you at all.

This is not correct.

Our software recognizes a modified or stock file as such. When you write your stock file to the ECM it is run through a checksum and CVN test. If even one parameter is changed the file will not write and it certainly won’t show in our write software as stock.
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I made 8 passes Bone Stock in Bowling Green then the last 2 passes were made with the tune on the car.
12.58 Bone stock - Camaro Forum - 2011 Camaro 2010 Camaro / Camaro Z28 SS Forums - Camaro5.com (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69805) this is more info for ya!

as a mopar and challenger brother..i have to tell you..i have personally raced this camaro multiple times. I was at the track last year when he ran the initial first fastest stock run. At the time, he had a drop in filter and royal purple. I got on camaro5 to give congrats on beating my challenger. They gave him hell for the filter and oil.
When the track opened back up in March i was there, in person, watched him run, inspected his car myself.
BONE STOCK, from the filter to the street tires.
The dude is legit, and a great driver. He also races outlaw or prostreet cars, and has a log book to log everyrun.
Im not a camaro fanboy, obviously. But give the dude a break.
But he will be at challengerfest and see yourself.
Look back through the At The Track section here..i think i even posted it back when it happened. I dont think its so much the car, but the driver.
I bet he could cut alot better time in my car than i can.
Look at dodgetony...he was whippin SRT's asses in is lightly modded RT before people started slapping blowers on, no one questioned that. Some people can drive, some cant...i cant..lol
Thanks Mush for some back up. No matter where my E.T. is posted people cant stand it for what ever reason. What gets me is how truthful ive been about everything ive done from the fluids and filters to the tuner and somehow im still cheating because its the fastest? I hope you guys treat your fastest cars on here a lil better, im starting to feel like im on a Mustang site. Im only on here to register for the fest and trying to clean up what was said about my run so much for the warm welcome!

GOD ya'll stop this back and forth. We'll settle this once and for all at the event. I will personally check his car and watch him reflash his ecu then he can run and it is what it is! How about that?

AND OIL & FILTER IS NOT A MOD

GOD ya'll stop this back and forth. We'll settle this once and for all at the event. I will personally check his car and watch him reflash his ecu then he can run and it is what it is! How about that?

AND OIL & FILTER IS NOT A MOD
YEA IF HE'S LUCKY HE'LL GET A 12:9 BUT MORE THAN LIKE'LY HE'LL BE RUNING 13'S LIKE ALL STOCK CARMAROS.
ON ANOTHER NOTE THE CARMAROS AT THE TRACK MIKE (ZL550) he just ran a 11:545 at 119mph first pass

Thanks Mush for some back up. No matter where my E.T. is posted people cant stand it for what ever reason. What gets me is how truthful ive been about everything ive done from the fluids and filters to the tuner and somehow im still cheating because its the fastest? I hope you guys treat your fastest cars on here a lil better, im starting to feel like im on a Mustang site. Im only on here to register for the fest and trying to clean up what was said about my run so much for the warm welcome!
Don't start crying about a warm welcome, your welcome here and we are impressed about how much crap you can take.You'll get the chance to prove it in Kentucky.
We love cars and talking trash, but you will run what you brung just like me and everybody else.
So keep smiling and keep the shinny side up,12:5 still don't beat my Challenger, I bet I can run you with my stock Charger and spank you.

we are impressed about how much crap you can take.

Ya got that right!

Thanks Mush for some back up. No matter where my E.T. is posted people cant stand it for what ever reason. What gets me is how truthful ive been about everything ive done from the fluids and filters to the tuner and somehow im still cheating because its the fastest? I hope you guys treat your fastest cars on here a lil better, im starting to feel like im on a Mustang site. Im only on here to register for the fest and trying to clean up what was said about my run so much for the warm welcome!

People over here treat our faster cars pretty good. But on other site's....look out. I have been bashed and called a liar more times than I can remember. I have to admit, the Mustang site tore me up worse than any other. LOL.

GOD ya'll stop this back and forth. We'll settle this once and for all at the event. I will personally check his car and watch him reflash his ecu then he can run and it is what it is! How about that?

AND OIL & FILTER IS NOT A MOD
Sounds Great to me!

People over here treat our faster cars pretty good. But on other site's....look out. I have been bashed and called a liar more times than I can remember. I have to admit, the Mustang site tore me up worse than any other. LOL.

Right now I'm trying to convince some mustang guys what are cars are capable of, and they just can't accept it

Right now I'm trying to convince some mustang guys what are cars are capable of, and they just can't accept it
tell them to come to Kentucky for Challengerfeat, we'll show them

Right now I'm trying to convince some mustang guys what are cars are capable of, and they just can't accept it


I'm over there with you (same screen name). Do not get too upset or annoyed, Mustang guys are much more defensive and territorial than any other group. I know, I have been there a while (cool site BTW except for the occasional bashing), they dispute everything and I believe they bash the Camaro a bit more.

Holy ****, can we move on????? I cannot believe this thread is still going. :scratchhead:

I told one about Challengerfest, hope some will go. I'd like to see the look on their faces when the stock r/ts are running low 13s lol

and jsd512, just realized that was you over there. Avatar seemed familiar and so did the name lol. But yes most seem to get but hurt when told the truth hah
also one guy is saying I claimed a 12.8 for a stock r/t haha idk what he's smoking.

I told one about Challengerfest, hope some will go. I'd like to see the look on their faces when the stock r/ts are running low 13s lol

and jsd512, just realized that was you over there. Avatar seemed familiar and so did the name lol. But yes most seem to get but hurt when told the truth hah
also one guy is saying I claimed a 12.8 for a stock r/t haha idk what he's smoking.

Yep, that thread went exactly the way I thought it would go - down the drain, lol. It is difficult to have a debate on the internet. I love the site, it has some really good videos and other stuff. Give it time, they give noobs hell.

One of your very own members (TheMush) was present when I went 12.58 . I even had him check my car out , P.M. him and see what he says.

Let's face it dude, we all know that HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of stock SS Camaro's are AT LEAST a full half to 3/4 of a second slower that your stock claim so how can that be?
1. You might be the best stock eliminator driver in the world?
2. As someone that understands stock eliminator, many "stock parts" can be "tweaked". Back in the day a winning car winning also running under the index was subject to a teardown but usually only one piston was inspected so 7 (along with the rings), were NOT STOCK. Or the cam had stock lift but altered duration or LSA. Moreover stock exhaust manifolds could have been flowed with an emulsified abbrasive, optimal tire pressure, removed front sway bar, etc., etc... Tons of tricks I can't even think of.... And those are NHRA totally "stock" cars. Not saying yours is a stock eliminator car, my point is without someone tearing down your car, NOBODY can say it's stock just by looking at it. In fact people have spent huge $$$ just to run a small shot of N02 that couldn't be seen whatsoever????
3. It's possible that you got the optimal Camaro SS out of ALL the ones Brand X built for 2010? The most well ballanced motor with the lightest piston/rod combo, the best factory blueprinting/clearencing, the lightest vehical? So you hit the preverbial "jackpot" for a stock car?
If you ran a mid 12 second time in a stock Camaro that truely is impressive and you are a very lucky man, a "ringer" or a cheater. The fact remains your car does NOT represent 99.9999% of the Camaros purchased off the Brand X lots....
:guiness:

Let's face it dude, we all know that HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of stock SS Camaro's are AT LEAST a full half to 3/4 of a second slower that your stock claim so how can that be?
1. You might be the best stock eliminator driver in the world?
2. As someone that understands stock eliminator, many "stock parts" can be "tweaked". Back in the day a winning car winning also running under the index was subject to a teardown but usually only one piston was inspected so 7 (along with the rings), were NOT STOCK. Or the cam had stock lift but altered duration or LSA. Moreover stock exhaust manifolds could have been flowed with an emulsified abbrasive, optimal tire pressure, removed front sway bar, etc., etc... Tons of tricks I can't even think of.... And those are NHRA totally "stock" cars. Not saying yours is a stock eliminator car, my point is without someone tearing down your car, NOBODY can say it's stock just by looking at it. In fact people have spent huge $$$ just to run a small shot of N02 that couldn't be seen whatsoever????
3. It's possible that you got the optimal Camaro SS out of ALL the ones Brand X built for 2010? The most well ballanced motor with the lightest piston/rod combo, the best factory blueprinting/clearencing, the lightest vehical? So you hit the preverbial "jackpot" for a stock car?
If you ran a mid 12 second time in a stock Camaro that truely is impressive and you are a very lucky man, a "ringer" or a cheater. The fact remains your car does NOT represent 99.9999% of the Camaros purchased off the Brand X lots....
:guiness:
There is no doubt stock eliminator guys tweek things to the extereme and push the limits of rules. Thats all part of racing stock class finding the right combinations to squeeze every ounce out of your car. 10 years ago my Chevelle was running 11.9s and now im running 10.7s and thats running the same 365hp 454 set up i was in the 90s. Your exactly right about the tear downs whos to say my Camaro isnt 500 cubes with a dual disk clutch and 4.10s ? I cant explain the freak car in my garage nor am i the best driver but Its all down to a guys word and if you believe him or not! I agree most Stock Camaros have a hard time ever seeing a 12.xx pass in the quarter but then again most people are affraid of breaking thier 38,000 dollar car and dont drive it to its potiential.

3 passes.. if i cant do it, it cant be dun.... or 3 passes and he will have ti get a new one cause i wore it out trying.. and yes.. i was a master of hiding nitrous back in my hayday too.. wire loof and a maf senser worked awsome.... i was a NOS junkie running thru up to 20lbs in a week

Stocker isn't alone in running high 12's, our "unofficial" list is corrected for DA and there are 11 people that run 12.9x and below. Only 8 are running below 12s on our uncorrected "official" times list. I for one believe his run, just as I believe ViperTomCat's recent 13.0 corrected run for a stock R/T.

Stocker isn't alone in running high 12's, our "unofficial" list is corrected for DA and there are 11 people that run 12.9x and below. Only 8 are running below 12s on our uncorrected "official" times list. I for one believe his run, just as I believe ViperTomCat's recent 13.0 corrected run for a stock R/T.

OK so now there are 11 out of thousands and don't get me wrong it's VERY cool that "stocker" Camaros, Challengers and Mustangs are into the 12's. But being a betting man and being around the track for 30yrs I would bet my left one that those "11" are savvy guys that know the stock eliminator tricks (most of the old ones hold true today), and have applied some or many to their stock Camaros. I'm not saying they aren't running into the 12's I'll I'm saying it they are tweaked. Stock 340 Dusters and SS Novas were high 13 to low 14 second cars. But it didn't take much to get their into the mid 12s without deviating from the stock eliminator rules.

And yes, lots of guys don't want to hammer their $30 to 35K Camaros and similarly lots of guys don't want to hammer their $40 to $42K SRT Challengers either. I'm a track guy and I have taken mine out three times in a year. If it wasn't my every day work commute car I'd take it out more to see if I can improve upon my best (13.08) and while I think I can get it into the high 12's while it's still stock, I know I'd have to "tweak" it to get it into the mid 12's. I just don't think I would call it "stock" at that point. To me stock is off the showroom, break in the motor, let air out of the rear tires, put in a better filter (or remove it), and run it. Anything else is a degree of tuning or modding or using stock eliminator tricks (hot rodding).

You may recall that the GTO always had good 1/4 times for the magazines back in the 60's but rarely could anyone get close to those times while stock. And they NEVER were competitive in stock eliminator even with low HP factors. The fact is the factory would TUNE their "stock" GTO's before giving them to the magazines for testing. Some believe those tests were with stock GTO's, most realized it took some real work to get them to run the test numbers (GM/Pont. Marketing 101), the GTO WAS NEVER the quickest 1/4 car for ANY year it was out specific to muscle cars.

I say to stocker - congrats on a great run.

If I had the money I would have a Camaro SS and a Mustang GT in the garage right next to my SRT. I have driven them both - extensively, and like both of them. Alot.

I will say that even if I had all three, I would drive the SRT most often.

This reminds me of people who would swear up and down that no way ever could an 01-02 LS1 powered Z28 or SS could run high 12's stock. Mustang guys would really make a big deal about this - I was one of them.

That was until Evan Smith of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords in his monthly column one issue ran an 02 Z28 at 12.8x @108mph at Englishtown with a STOCK car...in a Mustang magazine.

Considering a new one weighs a few hundred pounds than an F-body of that day but has 50hp more...why is it so hard to believe?

Lets see how long those Camaro motors last over the test of time...

This reminds me of people who would swear up and down that no way ever could an 01-02 LS1 powered Z28 or SS could run high 12's stock. Mustang guys would really make a big deal about this - I was one of them.

That was until Evan Smith of Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords in his monthly column one issue ran an 02 Z28 at 12.8x @108mph at Englishtown with a STOCK car...in a Mustang magazine.

Considering a new one weighs a few hundred pounds than an F-body of that day but has 50hp more...why is it so hard to believe?

same think can be said about our "high 13 second/low 14 sec only R/T's" and our "stock SRT's that cant break into the 12's" that seem to be the norm on other message boards and magazine articles.

OK so now there are 11 out of thousands and don't get me wrong it's VERY cool that "stocker" Camaros, Challengers and Mustangs are into the 12's. But being a betting man and being around the track for 30yrs I would bet my left one that those "11" are savvy guys that know the stock eliminator tricks (most of the old ones hold true today), and have applied some or many to their stock Camaros. I'm not saying they aren't running into the 12's I'll I'm saying it they are tweaked. Stock 340 Dusters and SS Novas were high 13 to low 14 second cars. But it didn't take much to get their into the mid 12s without deviating from the stock eliminator rules.

And yes, lots of guys don't want to hammer their $30 to 35K Camaros and similarly lots of guys don't want to hammer their $40 to $42K SRT Challengers either. I'm a track guy and I have taken mine out three times in a year. If it wasn't my every day work commute car I'd take it out more to see if I can improve upon my best (13.08) and while I think I can get it into the high 12's while it's still stock, I know I'd have to "tweak" it to get it into the mid 12's. I just don't think I would call it "stock" at that point. To me stock is off the showroom, break in the motor, let air out of the rear tires, put in a better filter (or remove it), and run it. Anything else is a degree of tuning or modding or using stock eliminator tricks (hot rodding).

You may recall that the GTO always had good 1/4 times for the magazines back in the 60's but rarely could anyone get close to those times while stock. And they NEVER were competitive in stock eliminator even with low HP factors. The fact is the factory would TUNE their "stock" GTO's before giving them to the magazines for testing. Some believe those tests were with stock GTO's, most realized it took some real work to get them to run the test numbers (GM/Pont. Marketing 101), the GTO WAS NEVER the quickest 1/4 car for ANY year it was out specific to muscle cars.

I can't answer your eliminator tricks, considering I wasn't there. However, he had a couple people that supported him for being showroom stock, down to the K&N air filter and Royal Purple oil, that he replaced to the stock brands in this 12.58 run, that his first record-breaking run (12.62) had. Basically, it comes down to rather you want to trust the guy or not.

Lets see how long those Camaro motors last over the test of time...

The LS series is a reliable set of engines. The LSA has lasted at WOT at ~250+ hours, which lasted longer than the LS9 found in the ZR1.

same think can be said about our "high 13 second/low 14 sec only R/T's" and our "stock SRT's that cant break into the 12's" that seem to be the norm on other message boards and magazine articles.Oh I agree with you on that too; there are a legion of poor drivers who ruin it for the ones who can really pedal one. :oogle:....regardless of make. Like LS1 GTO drivers who run 14.0s in a car that can easily run mid-low 13s if driven properly.


The LS series is a reliable (http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=534737#) set of engines. The LSA has lasted at WOT at ~250+ hours, which lasted longer than the LS9 found in the ZR1. Also if I am not mistaken, anything that wears the SS badge now (i.e., Camaro SS) has to be tracked for 24 hours straight without anything failing. Remember seeing it in a the brief sidebar test in Car & Driver in the issue where they test the Camaro RS V-6 against the Genesis Coupe last year.

Well , he had a drop in K&N filter and royal purple but here ya go ...

12.58 Bone stock - Camaro Forum - 2010 Camaro 2011 Camaro / Camaro Z28 SS Forums - Camaro5.com (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69805)
My brother has had TWO!!!! 2010 2SS Camaro's in the past year 1 6sp best time 13.02 and that was with KN CAI, Headers, CAT backs, street ET slicks and Preditor tune. Now he has and Auto and it still won't run in the 12's his 60FT is down from 2.0's to 1.98. which is good, but. When I put the same after markert equipment on my new 2010 Plum Crazy RT. I'll take him just on reaction time. I watched bone stock 2010 RT's Auto run 13.52 at 103 mph this past weekend at the CC event in Columbus, OH. You must be a CHEVY guy. Oh I forgot to mention the 6sp broke the trans one weekend and then the next time broke the tailshaft and driveshaft. So much for GM. Sorry I forgot to mention I've been racing Mopars for over forty years and driving chevys to work. Just my thoughts!

It seems funny that the auto Challengers are consistently faster the the 6 spd Challengers. But the 6 spd Camaros are faster than the auto Camaros.

It seems funny that the auto Challengers are consistently faster the the 6 spd Challengers. But the 6 spd Camaros are faster than the auto Camaros.


The auto Camaros are rated at 400hp (crank) as opposed to the manual Camaros making 425.

Jack

My brother has had TWO!!!! 2010 2SS Camaro's in the past year 1 6sp best time 13.02 and that was with KN CAI, Headers, CAT backs, street ET slicks and Preditor tune. Now he has and Auto and it still won't run in the 12's his 60FT is down from 2.0's to 1.98. which is good, but. When I put the same after markert equipment on my new 2010 Plum Crazy RT. I'll take him just on reaction time. I watched bone stock 2010 RT's Auto run 13.52 at 103 mph this past weekend at the CC event in Columbus, OH. You must be a CHEVY guy. Oh I forgot to mention the 6sp broke the trans one weekend and then the next time broke the tailshaft and driveshaft. So much for GM. Sorry I forgot to mention I've been racing Mopars for over forty years and driving chevys to work. Just my thoughts!

Challenger fest is in Bowling Green ,KY Aug. 21 and they are going to have an all stock class. I recommend you bring your Stock RT. Ill be there!

Ill be thier!

*there......

Challenger fest is in Bowling Green ,KY Aug. 21 and they are going to have an all stock class. I recommend you bring your Stock RT. Ill be there!

My air filter isn't stock, What class will I have to race in?

You and I can both race in the stock class. My air cleaner isnt stock either though.:thumbsup:

Challenger fest is in Bowling Green ,KY Aug. 21 and they are going to have an all stock class. I recommend you bring your Stock RT. Ill be there!
MY 2010 PCP won't be stock by next week but I just might drive to Bowling Green, Ky if it doesn't conflict with CC events or the Mopar Nationals. I won't be running stock class. I ordered the Borla Cat Back, Mopar CAI, and a few other performance parts with my 2000.00 Mopar Bucks. I should have it all together next week. Plan to run Quaker City 1/4 in two weeks. I'll let you know best time and how I do against my brother's non stock 2SS Camaro. Thanks for the invite to KY. God I love a challenge.

MY 2010 PCP won't be stock by next week but I just might drive to Bowling Green, Ky if it doesn't conflict with CC events or the Mopar Nationals. I won't be running stock class. I ordered the Borla Cat Back, Mopar CAI, and a few other performance parts with my 2000.00 Mopar Bucks. I should have it all together next week. Plan to run Quaker City 1/4 in two weeks. I'll let you know best time and how I do against my brother's non stock 2SS Camaro. Thanks for the invite to KY. God I love a challenge.

Im not trying to dog on your brother but i think with all the performance parts he has thrown at his Camaro and still cant get into the 12.s he needs a driver mod the worst! Maybe you should try it? The first pass out in my car ever at St. louis with 500 miles on it and Royal purple fluids as my only mod was 12.943 at 106.02 which i missed 4th gear on that pass. The very next pass i went 12.923 at 109.03 that pass it bogged off the line. I have since been running my car out in 3rd gear and not wasting the time shifting into 4th due to it being so close to the end of the track even though I hit the fuel shut off right at the E.T. box.

Youa reIm not trying to dog on your brother but i think with all the performance parts he has thrown at his Camaro and still cant get into the 12.s he needs a driver mod the worst! Maybe you should try it? The first pass out in my car ever at St. louis with 500 miles on it and Royal purple fluids as my only mod was 12.943 at 106.02 which i missed 4th gear on that pass. The very next pass i went 12.923 at 109.03 that pass it bogged off the line. I have since been running my car out in 3rd gear and not wasting the time shifting into 4th due to it being so close to the end of the track even though I hit the fuel shut off right at the E.T. box.

You are right, with the parts specific to the Camaro you mention above something wasn't right or the driver was a noob?

I was at Firebird on Saturday, there ware 7 new SS's (5 autos, 2 stick cars), and NONE were running quicker than 13.15's, most running mid to high 13's (corrected). I only knew one of the guys, Wes McCain who besides driving his 2010 SS auto has a 69 Camaro and has been running stock eliminator with it for over 15yrs. I told him about a couple of SS's running mid 12's and claiming to be totally stock and asked what he thought about that (keep in mind he's been on Team Firebird running National events for a very long time). He said he will be running mid 12's and telling everyone he's totally stock too and then winked at me. I said, "c'mon Wes he could have got the best motor and tranny combo?" And he replied, "and have done it on the most sticky track in the Country and with the best air too".

So, I guess it's possible???? But not as likely as the other scenarios! :smokin:

So what if it runs high 12's.......It still is a Camero. Sorry to piss off some Camero folk here but I would rather sacrifice a little E.T. to drive the best redesigned muscle car. I would even go as far to say that the new challenger looks better than the original. And who's to say you can't get close to those times with a little performance modifications????

For someone that lived through the 60's muscle car era, this Challenger is beautiful. Now........ if they will only redesign the Charger the way it should of been, things will definetly get interesting.

Now what would you expect me to say about the Camero in a Mopar forum?:bigthumb:

Dino

LOL...
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Im not trying to dog on your brother but i think with all the performance parts he has thrown at his Camaro and still cant get into the 12.s he needs a driver mod the worst! Maybe you should try it? The first pass out in my car ever at St. louis with 500 miles on it and Royal purple fluids as my only mod was 12.943 at 106.02 which i missed 4th gear on that pass. The very next pass i went 12.923 at 109.03 that pass it bogged off the line. I have since been running my car out in 3rd gear and not wasting the time shifting into 4th due to it being so close to the end of the track even though I hit the fuel shut off right at the E.T. box.
You're right on the driver. He only started racing the end of last season and the beginning of this one has 125 logged passes. You be careful with that 6Sp. Like I said he broke the trans last season GM replaced. This year sheared the bolts off the drive shaft and than two weeks later broke the drive shaft. Both out of pocket expense. He sold the 6sp cheap and bought an auto 2SS. Manual trans went out in 70's most drivers are running auto's with reverse valve bodies and 3000-5000 stall converters along with a tranz brake. Yeah it's not stock nor cool to drive but better 60 foots and consistant. ST. Lou probaly has better air then here in OH. Good Luck this season.

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You are right, with the parts specific to the Camaro you mention above something wasn't right or the driver was a noob?

I was at Firebird on Saturday, there ware 7 new SS's (5 autos, 2 stick cars), and NONE were running quicker than 13.15's, most running mid to high 13's (corrected). I only knew one of the guys, Wes McCain who besides driving his 2010 SS auto has a 69 Camaro and has been running stock eliminator with it for over 15yrs. I told him about a couple of SS's running mid 12's and claiming to be totally stock and asked what he thought about that (keep in mind he's been on Team Firebird running National events for a very long time). He said he will be running mid 12's and telling everyone he's totally stock too and then winked at me. I said, "c'mon Wes he could have got the best motor and tranny combo?" And he replied, "and have done it on the most sticky track in the Country and with the best air too".

So, I guess it's possible???? But not as likely as the other scenarios! :smokin:

Correcting an E.T. for the altitude is still a guesstimate at best! I looked up the weather there. The track is 1082 above sea level and the D.A. was 3778' at 95 degrees!!! NOT ideal racing conditions even if you are correcting it. Please come to Challenger fest and tech my car in since its obviously not stock and you had a Chevy guy wink at you and confirm your beliefs. I just got back from a national event 2 weeks ago and have also been running stockers for 15 years mud dragged for 18 years along with my dad running super stock since the early 70s. So maybe seat time and knowing what the car needs racing it is my advantage over others. Double WINK!

Correcting an E.T. for the altitude is still a guesstimate at best! I looked up the weather there. The track is 1082 above sea level and the D.A. was 3778' at 95 degrees!!! NOT ideal racing conditions even if you are correcting it. Please come to Challenger fest and tech my car in since its obviously not stock since you had a Chevy guy wink at you and confirm your beliefs. I just got back from a national event 2 weeks ago and have also been running stockers for 15 years mud dragged for 18 years along with my dad running super stock since the early 70s. So maybe seat time and knowing what the car needs racing it is my advantage over others. Double WINK!
I looked at Stockers time slip he posted on the Camaro web site his reaction time ain't that great .830's compared to a 500 light. So maybe it's in his shifting skills?? He claims he launching at 4000 RPM on street tires, no changes in suspension, like maybe shocks, struts or bushings and no wheel hop. He runs 1.98 60 foot and is looking for 1.91 WOW!!!!!! That track has got to be one prepped track and going down hill with a tail wind. Oh by the way Stocker you can hit your traction button twice and your Camaro will go into comp mode allowing you to hold the clutch in, smash the gas pedal to the floor and Rev to 4500 rpm until you launch so says GM. Although I wouldn't recommend that. Tranny, drive shaft and clutch might need replaced. I really like a good yarn!!! Enough about Camaro's what are all the NON STOCK RT's time slips looking like?

I looked at Stockers time slip he posted on the Camaro web site his reaction time ain't that great .830's compared to a 500 light. So maybe it's in his shifting skills?? He claims he launching at 4000 RPM on street tires, no changes in suspension, like maybe shocks, struts or bushings and no wheel hop. He runs 1.98 60 foot and is looking for 1.91 WOW!!!!!! That track has got to be one prepped track and going down hill with a tail wind. Oh by the way Stocker you can hit your traction button twice and your Camaro will go into comp mode allowing you to hold the clutch in, smash the gas pedal to the floor and Rev to 4500 rpm until you launch so says GM. Although I wouldn't recommend that. Tranny, drive shaft and clutch might need replaced. I really like a good yarn!!! Enough about Camaro's what are all the NON STOCK RT's time slips looking like?

On the Camaro5 website if you RED LIGHT it wont be posted on the Fast list! (which I think is ridiculous since reaction time has nothing to do with your E.T.) So why push it? Also getting staged and having the RPMs up where I want them are more important than a perfect light! Im not looking for a 1.91 ive had one! I launch the car myself and dont rely on the computer to launch it. Ever heard of SLIPPING the clutch ??? I assumed with your 40 years of Racing Experience you would know you cant DUMP IT on a stock tire! Whats FUNNY is this is thee most popular thread on your CHALLENGER track talk forum. Put your 2 grand in Bolt ons on your RT with stock tires and come find me at Bowling Green with your best time slip! Unless its more fun beating up on your brothers times!

Ok, I got it! It's all about ET not winning the race so RT means nothing cool. Oh I'm not beating up on his times. It's when someone claims to be stock and 60 foot changes from 1.98 to 1.91 without changes in stock parts. Can't be very consistant and win races. Are you on this site because you want to own a Mopar or don't the guys on Camaro 5 agree with you. Oh and this is my last post on this subject. I'll spend my time talking to the honest Mopar people on this site. Good luck slipping your clutch and keep an eye on your drive shaft.

Ok, I got it! It's all about ET not winning the race so RT means nothing cool. Oh I'm not beating up on his times. It's when someone claims to be stock and 60 foot changes from 1.98 to 1.91 without changes in stock parts. Can't be very consistant and win races. Are you on this site because you want to own a Mopar or don't the guys on Camaro 5 agree with you. Oh and this is my last post on this subject. I'll spend my time talking to the honest Mopar people on this site. Good luck slipping your clutch and keep an eye on your drive shaft.

If I wanted to be more consistent I would of bought an automatic. I wanted the 426 hp LS-3 motor not the 400 hp L-99. Im on this site because I like reading up on the competition. Yes im a Chevy guy but I would definetly own a Challenger if I had the money. Dodge hit a home run in the looks dept. with this car my only complaint is the weight of it. Which is the one thing I dont like about my car either. Reaction time will win or lose a race in my stock eliminator car just like my new Camaro. Ive made 40 plus passes in my Camaro and havent yet worried about cutting a perfect light. I stage as shallow as I can for the best E.T. possible and go from there.

i agree completely about the redlight and r/t issue.. as in bowling green im gonna sit on that light for a second when i try my second or third pass so i concentrate on my best time instead of a win.. ( so if i had a camaro.. id watch my first pass or two so you might have a chance) haha.. but in all seriosness if you watch a lot of the guys make thier fast pass on youtube or whatnot they wait and dont worrt about that tree just the best time available.. its a newb thing to assume your r/t has anything to do with your e.t.

Yellow Camero with "transformers" logo= Lame

1968 Roadrunner with Warner Bros Roadrunner Logo= AWESOME

Nothing beats an original idea.

Correcting an E.T. for the altitude is still a guesstimate at best! I looked up the weather there. The track is 1082 above sea level and the D.A. was 3778' at 95 degrees!!! NOT ideal racing conditions even if you are correcting it. Please come to Challenger fest and tech my car in since its obviously not stock and you had a Chevy guy wink at you and confirm your beliefs. I just got back from a national event 2 weeks ago and have also been running stockers for 15 years mud dragged for 18 years along with my dad running super stock since the early 70s. So maybe seat time and knowing what the car needs racing it is my advantage over others. Double WINK!

You are again partly right, the track is at nearly 1,100 ft. and while the Phoenix high was 95 deg. it was in the mid 80's when all the runs were being made and most the SS's as well as SRT cars were down nearly a tenth if not a tenth of what was run just a few months ago while we enjoyed low the low 70's. And yes you are right "altitude corrected is only an "estimate". It's the same type of computer program that "desktop dyno" and some of the tuners use with Predators, etc., and certainly NOT perfect. That said however it's within 5% 99.99% of the time so it's good enough and when Team Firebird goes to Pamona to run they see the same times uncorrected as they get "corrected" at the aformentioned Firebird track so it's been varified for about 25+yrs now?


But let's get to the facts of "stock" SS's running mid 12's:

I have seen a ton of new SS's at Firebird, Speedworld, Vegas, Brandemer and Pamona and NONE of the stock cars were running in the 12's
I have heard there were at least 100+ new SS's running at Camarofest but none that were known to be totally stock were running in the 12's
We both know that in order to be competive NHRA STOCK ELIMNATOR cars/builders have to "bend" the rules just as the NASCAR boys do. Sure you can set everything up just as the latest years rule book outlines but to run just at or below the index you have to CHEAT.
Since you are supposidly a Stock Eliminator guy, you know HOW to bend those rules and again we both know nearly all of them can't be seen or heard with the naked eye or human ear. As examples, you can send your stock exhaust maifolds out and for $500 have an abrasive run through them for a 5-7% flow gain... or remove a few of the sheets of the substate/or drill through them within the cat. converter and nobody would ever know your cats are much less restrictive. Even easier, you could have a custom Predator tune in your car and there isn't ANYONE that could prove otherwise. At least without hooking your car up to a diagnosic tool. But you expect me to believe you would NOT use that knowledge of yours for your own gain? It's like saying an architect wouldn't do any design work in his own house or an interior decorator would have a friend pick the textiles within his or her house? It seems more than illogical it seems something just short of impossible!
You are continuously writing to a CHALLENGER site NOT a Camaro site which makes me believe there is a bit of an inferiority complex which in turn makes one reason you have a motive mitigate your inferiorty issues by boasting your "superiority". You really should be touting the story with the Camaro sites, they might actually believe you. Of course you might already be telling them but I wouldn't know becuase I DON'T VISIT CAMARO sites, I'm a Mopar guy. If you think I'm being rude then ask yourself how you would be welcomed wearing a Raiders jersey talking up your team in a Bronco's bar, or doing the same with a Kobe jersey in a social gathering in Boston.
Again haveing said all of that, there is a real posibility that you hit the car/motor/transmission jackpot and got the best units GM built this year all in one car. And with the best track on the best day with you as a skilled driver, it certaily is possible but as I stated earlier, based on everything else, I'm betting the other way. I just can't prove it.... and neither can you.

Guys can we please not be rude to NHRA_Stocker?

Just because he's writing on our site doesnt mean he has an inferiority complex. I post over on Camaro5.com's message board and I dont have a complex.

Open debate about the run is fine, but insulting him or otherwise isnt.

Guys can we please not be rude to NHRA_Stocker?

Just because he's writing on our site doesnt mean he has an inferiority complex. I post over on Camaro5.com's message board and I dont have a complex.

Open debate about the run is fine, but insulting him or otherwise isnt.

+1,000

Nothing pisses me off more than when people complain about being insulted on another board and turn around and insult others coming to their own board - hypocrits(sp?).

You are again partly right, the track is at nearly 1,100 ft. and while the Phoenix high was 95 deg. it was in the mid 80's when all the runs were being made and most the SS's as well as SRT cars were down nearly a tenth if not a tenth of what was run just a few months ago while we enjoyed low the low 70's. And yes you are right "altitude corrected is only an "estimate". It's the same type of computer program that "desktop dyno" and some of the tuners use with Predators, etc., and certainly NOT perfect. That said however it's within 5% 99.99% of the time so it's good enough and when Team Firebird goes to Pamona to run they see the same times uncorrected as they get "corrected" at the aformentioned Firebird track so it's been varified for about 25+yrs now?







But let's get to the facts of "stock" SS's running mid 12's:

I have seen a ton of new SS's at Firebird, Speedworld, Vegas, Brandemer and Pamona and NONE of the stock cars were running in the 12's
I have heard there were at least 100+ new SS's running at Camarofest but none that were known to be totally stock were running in the 12's
We both know that in order to be competive NHRA STOCK ELIMNATOR cars/builders have to "bend" the rules just as the NASCAR boys do. Sure you can set everything up just as the latest years rule book outlines but to run just at or below the index you have to CHEAT.
Since you are supposidly a Stock Eliminator guy, you know HOW to bend those rules and again we both know nearly all of them can't be seen or heard with the naked eye or human ear. As examples, you can send your stock exhaust maifolds out and for $500 have an abrasive run through them for a 5-7% flow gain... or remove a few of the sheets of the substate/or drill through them within the cat. converter and nobody would ever know your cats are much less restrictive. Even easier, you could have a custom Predator tune in your car and there isn't ANYONE that could prove otherwise. At least without hooking your car up to a diagnosic tool. But you expect me to believe you would NOT use that knowledge of yours for your own gain? It's like saying an architect wouldn't do any design work in his own house or an interior decorator would have a friend pick the textiles within his or her house? It seems more than illogical it seems something just short of impossible!
You are continuously writing to a CHALLENGER site NOT a Camaro site which makes me believe there is a bit of an inferiority complex which in turn makes one reason you have a motive mitigate your inferiorty issues by boasting your "superiority". You really should be touting the story with the Camaro sites, they might actually believe you. Of course you might already be telling them but I wouldn't know becuase I DON'T VISIT CAMARO sites, I'm a Mopar guy. If you think I'm being rude then ask yourself how you would be welcomed wearing a Raiders jersey talking up your team in a Bronco's bar, or doing the same with a Kobe jersey in a social gathering in Boston.
Again haveing said all of that, there is a real posibility that you hit the car/motor/transmission jackpot and got the best units GM built this year all in one car. And with the best track on the best day with you as a skilled driver, it certaily is possible but as I stated earlier, based on everything else, I'm betting the other way. I just can't prove it.... and neither can you.

Here is the perfect example of maybe one of the best drivers in the country Evan Smith who ALSO drives a Stock eliminator car. This guy can drive the wheels off of anything he steps foot in! For instance he took a 2003 Cobra Mustang and set the record in it at 12.43 at 113 in a Bone stock car that normally runs high 12s. Ive been reading up articles for years on how he drives these cars along with Ranger acceleration and what it takes to get the most out of them. I shouldn't even compare myself to guys that can drive like this , they are a different breed. I however am taking the information and applying it for the perfect pass.
EVAN SMITH RACING (http://evansmithracing.com/Driver_Profile.shtml)
http://rangeracceleration.com/
As for your comment of continuously writing on this site. Im just trying to get the facts straight about my car and the 12.58 pass i ran since I didnt start this thread. Im not trolling around on other threads , the fest thread and this one are the only one ive posted on.
Like i said in the past alot of Stocker guys bend and tweak the rules to get the most out of there cars , but that doesn't automatically make me a cheater because i drive one! 2quick on the Camaro5 site had a well known Mustang racer drive his Camaro to a 12.61 so its not like ive destroyed the record there will be others running this fast. Its a matter of getting great weather and a great driver into a car that was broke in right!
Once again were back to the i cant prove im COMPLETELY STOCK and you cant prove that im cheating. However you look at it im not going to back down because only I know everything about my car!

Again I'll say a Stock Eliminator or S-Stock builder/driver that wouldn't use that knowledge for a car he races at the track is akin to a CPA not doing his/her own taxes. It's akin to a landscape designer not laying out his own yard. It would be like a lawyer not representing his parents or children in court. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool.

And to your point that you can prove you have no mods and I can't prove you do, has no merrit. Again ANYONE that is competitive in Stock Elim, Superstock and Nascar not only has to bend the rules to extreem, they ALSO HAVE TO ENSURE THAT NOTHING is found upon expection or teardown (after winning a National and or Big event).

Stock Eliminator 440 Six Pack Cuda's/Challengers run low 10's but NONE of them ran in the 12's off the showroom floor. 68 Hemi Darts and Cuda's run in the mid 8's but NONE of them ran 10 flat when they came off the trailer to the buyers of these Hurst Beasts!

I'm not saying you are a liar, I'm saying the odds are overwelmingly against you. I was born at night but I wasn't born last night.
:thumbsup:

If you had never known that I drive a Stock eliminator car something tells me you would of found some other accuse for the way it runs. Im going to go out on a limb and say that its because my car went a half of a second faster than yours! Im not trying to rub salt in a wound or piss off any other SRT-8 owners for saying that ,but Im pretty sure I just hit the nail on the head! If Evan Smith jumps in the new 5.0 and runs low 12s does that make him a cheater? Or just a damn good driver!

This means nothing if you cant do it legitlly and be completly honest about your car!!!

Official 1/4 Mile 2010 Camaro Fast List

As owners will quickly discover, 2010 Camaro's are very fast cars that require driver skill and experience to coax out all of the performance potential

Bone-Stock on Stock Tires. This means completely stock with no performance changes whatsoever; must have stock tires, stock exhaust, stock airpath, stock “untuned” computer (ECU/PCM), etc.


(Top 30 in each category)

Stock

1. nhra stocker - 12.58 @ 110.30 mph, (LS3, M6)

2. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)

3. blufin - 12.70 @ 111.07 mph, (LS3, M6)

4. Monte - 12.77 @ 110.98 mph, (LS3, M6)

5. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)

6. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.86 @ 108.70 mph, (L99, A6)

7. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)

8. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)

9. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)

10. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)

11. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)

12. Kathy63 - 13.07 @ 105.84 mph, (LS3, m6)

13. Jorux - 13.08 @ 111.49 mph, (LS3, M6)

14. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph, (LS3 M6), (DA +276)

15. Malice - 13.10 @ 107.64 mph, ( LS3, M6)

16. Dentyneice - 13.17 @ 109.77 mph, (LS3, M6)

17. gtwss - 13.17 @ 109.64 mph, (LS3, M6)

18. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)

19. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)

20. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)

21. Grand pa - 13.27 @ 100.72 mph, (L99 A6)

22. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)

23. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)

24. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)

25. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)

26. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)

27. GQ4life - 13.36 @ 108.97 mph, (LS3, M6)

28. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)

29. blake2010ss - 13.38 @ 107.72 mph, (LS3, M6)

30. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)

If you had never known that I drive a Stock eliminator car something tells me you would of found some other accuse for the way it runs. Im going to go out on a limb and say that its because my car went a half of a second faster than yours! Im not trying to rub salt in a wound or piss off any other SRT-8 owners for saying that ,but Im pretty sure I just hit the nail on the head! If Evan Smith jumps in the new 5.0 and runs low 12s does that make him a cheater? Or just a damn good driver!

This means nothing if you cant do it legitlly and be completly honest about your car!!!

Official 1/4 Mile 2010 Camaro Fast List

As owners will quickly discover, 2010 Camaro's are very fast cars that require driver skill and experience to coax out all of the performance potential

Bone-Stock on Stock Tires. This means completely stock with no performance changes whatsoever; must have stock tires, stock exhaust, stock airpath, stock “untuned” computer (ECU/PCM), etc.


(Top 30 in each category)

Stock

1. nhra stocker - 12.58 @ 110.30 mph, (LS3, M6)

2. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)

3. blufin - 12.70 @ 111.07 mph, (LS3, M6)

4. Monte - 12.77 @ 110.98 mph, (LS3, M6)

5. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)

6. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.86 @ 108.70 mph, (L99, A6)

7. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)

8. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)

9. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)

10. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)

11. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)

12. Kathy63 - 13.07 @ 105.84 mph, (LS3, m6)

13. Jorux - 13.08 @ 111.49 mph, (LS3, M6)

14. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph, (LS3 M6), (DA +276)

15. Malice - 13.10 @ 107.64 mph, ( LS3, M6)

16. Dentyneice - 13.17 @ 109.77 mph, (LS3, M6)

17. gtwss - 13.17 @ 109.64 mph, (LS3, M6)

18. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)

19. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)

20. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)

21. Grand pa - 13.27 @ 100.72 mph, (L99 A6)

22. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)

23. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)

24. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)

25. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)

26. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)

27. GQ4life - 13.36 @ 108.97 mph, (LS3, M6)

28. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)

29. blake2010ss - 13.38 @ 107.72 mph, (LS3, M6)

30. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)Damn those 5.0's are mean-kickin serious arse!

Nice run :guiness:

Damn those 5.0's are mean-kickin serious arse!

They run good! I just found out Evan Smith an Editor for Fast Ford and Muscle Mustang took one out recently in Gainsville and went 12.69 at 112 stock. Then put drag radials on it and went 12.34 at 110! Who knows what the weather was like , so this thing in some good air will be killer with a good driver!

12.58 at 112 out of a stock 2011 GT Mustang !
2011 GT 12s in stock trim! - MOMS Racing (http://www.momsracing.com/F0RUMS/showthread.php?t=8454)

Evolution Motorsports got one to go 11.80's NA. Then a few days ago some shop in Texas (I think) got one to run 10.70's or so on a 125 or 150 shot.

They are pretty mean. Kinda like the mid 80's all over again.

12.58 at 112 out of a stock 2011 GT Mustang !
2011 GT 12s in stock trim! - MOMS Racing (http://www.momsracing.com/F0RUMS/showthread.php?t=8454)Looks like the Camaro and Challenger are outdated/yesterdays news aleady.

guess i better go sell my car then. :notallthere:

no doubt the new 5.0s are monsters out of the box. i aint denying that!

guess i better go sell my car then. :notallthere:

no doubt the new 5.0s are monsters out of the box. i aint denying that!eh i could beat you with my stock firehawk convertible let alone a mustang-maybe you should sell it.

All this hype is great, but I am sure once they Mustangs hit the streets there will be a ton of 14 sec 5.0's with goobers behind the wheels wondering why they cant get 10's, 11's, or 12's like they see on Youtube.

Me on the other hand...my Challenger will continue to get upgrades and maintain it's status as a Camaro/Mustang eater. :bigthumb:

nhra, when you gonna go to tysons place so i can see your 12.5 camaro!

Me on the other hand-My lil 4.6 Mustang has never lost to a Challenger/Camaro, and it wont either.

what do you have on your lil 4.6?

what do you have on your lil 4.6?
Dont even think about it-I have ZMAX in my engine.

There is "ALWAYS" someone faster. :)

I know people hate it when my van kicks their ass and they have a pimped out ride :D But its certainly not the fastest thing out there :)

And no. It isn't stock! :P

Sweet run on the camaro dude :)

yea man, i bought some of that zmax on ebay the other day and i think my challenger gained 46 horseponies. that totally explains it!

There is "ALWAYS" someone faster. :)

I know people hate it when my van kicks their ass and they have a pimped out ride :D But its certainly not the fastest thing out there :)

And no. It isn't stock! :P

Sweet run on the camaro dude :)WTF? :notallthere:

yea man, i bought some of that zmax on ebay the other day and i think my challenger gained 46 horseponies. that totally explains it!My Firehawk and Vette is gonna get some ZMAX next.

If you had never known that I drive a Stock eliminator car something tells me you would of found some other accuse for the way it runs. Im going to go out on a limb and say that its because my car went a half of a second faster than yours! Im not trying to rub salt in a wound or piss off any other SRT-8 owners for saying that ,but Im pretty sure I just hit the nail on the head! If Evan Smith jumps in the new 5.0 and runs low 12s does that make him a cheater? Or just a damn good driver!

This means nothing if you cant do it legitlly and be completly honest about your car!!!

Official 1/4 Mile 2010 Camaro Fast List

As owners will quickly discover, 2010 Camaro's are very fast cars that require driver skill and experience to coax out all of the performance potential

(Top 30 in each category)

Stock
1. nhra stocker - 12.58 @ 110.30 mph, (LS3, M6)
2. 2quick - 12.61 @ 111.60 mph, (LS3, M6)
3. blufin - 12.70 @ 111.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
4. Monte - 12.77 @ 110.98 mph, (LS3, M6)
5. b20 - 12.81 @ 108.73 mph, (LS3, M6)
6. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.86 @ 108.70 mph, (L99, A6)
7. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
8. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
9. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
10. SSmokey - 13.04 @ 110.80 mph, (LS3, M6)
11. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
12. Kathy63 - 13.07 @ 105.84 mph, (LS3, m6)
13. Jorux - 13.08 @ 111.49 mph, (LS3, M6)
14. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph, (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
15. Malice - 13.10 @ 107.64 mph, ( LS3, M6)
16. Dentyneice - 13.17 @ 109.77 mph, (LS3, M6)
17. gtwss - 13.17 @ 109.64 mph, (LS3, M6)
18. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)
19. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
20. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
21. Grand pa - 13.27 @ 100.72 mph, (L99 A6)
22. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
23. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
24. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
25. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
26. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
27. GQ4life - 13.36 @ 108.97 mph, (LS3, M6)
28. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
29. blake2010ss - 13.38 @ 107.72 mph, (LS3, M6)
30. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)

You know I was thinking, perhaps you are right??? My heavy old SRT only runs with the "fast cars" you listed right square in the median/mean of 13 to 18 and that was done at my high alt. track with not so great air as you pointed out in three trips totaling 7 total runs thus far. And since you are promising your car is stock and you are running a full half second faster than your "fast car" list median/mean (and my car), I'm thinking if you drive it for me, it will run a good 3 to 5 tenths faster with a top notch driver of your caliber.
You do that for me and I'll drive your SS well over 150+, perhaps taking up to my SRT speeds of over 170+ for you. My car can do it, so I'm sure I can get yours well past the mean/median of the other SS tops speeds if I'm driving.

Or I can send you a list of stock eliminator tricks just to see if I can come up with any you haven't thought of?

Let me know, I'm all ears.....

Now that is what I am talking about! Talk about good old Chevy power!

My 98 Z/28 6 speed ran 13.08 @ 110 with a 2.1 60' time when it only had a lid and filter.

I thought you just clammed a 13.08 with a 1.9 60' in another thread?

I just found my timeslip. I was off a little on the other thread. It was a 1.9 60'. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks for keeping me honest.

WTF? :notallthere:

I'm sorry, i didn't mean to confuse you with no ZMAX in the van... my bad.:bigthumb:

Yeah I was thinking if it were a 2.1, you'd have a lot more room to improve! Lol

Well even at 1.9 there is a lot of room for improvement. But that is not bad for a 6 speed car.

I thought you just clammed a 13.08 with a 1.9 60' in another thread?I think he deserves the :liar:

I think he deserves the :liar:

You want to see a copy of the timeslip?

Do not ever call me a liar, you do not know anything about me!

Nice job driving stocker! Most people dont realize that D.A, Launch RPM/Technique, Shifting flat foot on the floor, hitting the shifts perfectly, and engine/fluid temps are worth alot more than a tenth or two. I believe the 12.58.

Does anyone know the RECORD for a STOCK SRT 6 Speed car? I think this forum should have a list similar to the camaro site.

let me drive one.. ill set it.. ")

You want to see a copy of the timeslip?

Do not ever call me a liar, you do not know anything about me!Tough acting guys hiding behind keyboards = :liar:

Tough acting guys hiding behind keyboards = :liar:

Ok, I am not acting tough. I just do not appriciate it when my honesty is put in question. I am an honest person and pride myself on my high moral standards.
I have been around cars for quite a while now and have been Drag Racing for about 8 years now so I know a thing or two about cars.
You guys can make fun of me all you want I have been in the Navy for 19 years and can take all the flack you can throw at me, but please do not question my honesty.
Thanks, Michael

guys??? I think you have one trouble maker heckling you Mykdiver :) Don't assume it means we all are!! :) Besides, if you'd said you did it with ZMAX I'm sure he'd have left it alone. :P

Ok, I am not acting tough. I just do not appriciate it when my honesty is put in question. I am an honest person and pride myself on my high moral standards.
I have been around cars for quite a while now and have been Drag Racing for about 8 years now so I know a thing or two about cars.
You guys can make fun of me all you want I have been in the Navy for 19 years and can take all the flack you can throw at me, but please do not question my honesty.
Thanks, Michael8 yrs drag racing huh? hmm have to know it all by now. 19 yrs in the Navy?-rough im sure. Anyways :liar:

haha, i cant believe this thread is still going on!!! the guy has a fast stock camaro for cripes sakes. who cares and congrats to him! go buy one if it hurts you so bad...

nhra, when you gonna go to tysons place so i can see your 12.5 camaro!
Its hard to find the time for anything racing 2 cars and a truck not to mention coaching my 2 girls softball teams. Next time I get the grocery getter out that way ill have to swing by.

haha, i cant believe this thread is still going on!!! the guy has a fast stock camaro for cripes sakes. who cares and congrats to him! go buy one if it hurts you so bad...
Yep that troll miami srt hit a home run with this thread,he finally has one to be proud of.LOL

haha, i cant believe this thread is still going on!!! the guy has a fast stock camaro for cripes sakes. who cares and congrats to him! go buy one if it hurts you so bad...

X2...but that would mean you would have to look at it (camaro) every day when its not going fast. Not a good site to wake up to. :puke:
You can fix power....not ugly.

Now that my email is completely filled with cra$ from this stupid Camaro 12's BS I will have to turn off my "email notification" . The negativity on this forum is overwhelming. You guys should should have a pickle fight with each other and set up your online cameras so you can flip each other off. No, maybe you guys should get a 5.0 and a cool Mustang tattoo to go along with the "im a speed racer" boner mentality. Trade in your Challenger for a joey jock a$$ Camaro and grow a mullet.

Now that my email is completely filled with cra$ from this stupid Camaro 12's BS I will have to turn off my "email notification" . The negativity on this forum is overwhelming. You guys should should have a pickle fight with each other and set up your online cameras so you can flip each other off. No, maybe you guys should get a 5.0 and a cool Mustang tattoo to go along with the "im a speed racer" boner mentality. Trade in your Challenger for a joey jock a$$ Camaro and grow a mullet.
Let me help you guys a lil (THREAD CLOSED) at least until Fall when I better the 58!:thumbsup:

Ummm.. If you havent noticed Camaro racer boy, this is the CHALLENGER FORUM. Go talk to your meat head bro's over on that side of the internet. We really cant stand the suspense for you to break your own personal land speed record doood.. When you do break your own record you should get a cool Chevy tattoo on your forehead. Send pictures over this way so we can whale on you.
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You gotta love the internet douchbaggery that goes on. :)

Why would a non-Challenger owner troll a Challenger board? I've never understood that.

guys??? I think you have one trouble maker heckling you Mykdiver :) Don't assume it means we all are!! :) Besides, if you'd said you did it with ZMAX I'm sure he'd have left it alone. :P

Yeah, thanks for the support. I really do not like people like that. I am a very easy going guy and am not here to talk about my Camaro anyway. I am on here because I am in love with the new Challenger and I really want one. I want to learn as much as I can about them prior to purchasing so I know the direction I want to go with it.

This thread makes me laugh....been around LS stuff since 1998 and not surprised at all. I think you guys are in denial :)