GHOST is in the body shop and I got a 3.6 pentastar for my rental , all I can say is - versus my stock 3.5 - IF there are 40 extra horses in there - I sure as HELL cant find them

the car doesn't feel as strong as my '09 - what gives?

Feel around with your right foot. It should show up. :brickwall:

Feel around with your right foot. It should show up. :brickwall:

LOL - I HAVE been - STILL dont feel or sense a 40 hp difference

LOL - I HAVE been - STILL dont feel or sense a 40 hp difference
Maybe it's the 55 more you can't locate?:smokin:

LOL - I HAVE been - STILL dont feel or sense a 40 hp difference

I thought it was 55 HP difference...guess that would make it even worse

Yes, you are correct. 55 HP difference.


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guys - I do NOT repeat do NOT feel ANY difference - no t jokin - not bs'ing - not playing for effect - there is NO difference to me between the two cars

I test drove both the 3.5 and the 3.6 and i could tell a diffrence not night and day but it is still there so mabey the rental is a under performer.
Now mine is a Rallye with the ss/t package which does have a diffrent rear end and suspension package than the regular se so that may be the diffrence i feel in the seat .

guys - I do NOT repeat do NOT feel ANY difference - no t jokin - not bs'ing - not playing for effect - there is NO difference to me between the two cars
Hmm....odd. If you can't feel any difference with the additional 55 hp....then maybe the Pentastar guys won't be able to feel any distinguishable difference in the 70 hp difference between and new SE/SXT and an R/T?

Hmm....odd. If you can't feel any difference with the additional 55 hp....then maybe the Pentastar guys won't be able to feel any distinguishable difference in the 70 hp difference between and new SE/SXT and an R/T?


there is significant difference between the SE and the RT - driven them both

however - I think somebody played cutsie with the numbers on the 3.6 - I am a former racer SCCA SOLO I and II - made a living driven as a pro for a grand total of 8.5 months before team folded - and worked for Nissan for 2 years

I KNOW the difference in performance the reputed numbers SHOULD provide

what I am saying is that I am NOT feeling that difference

Yea there shouldn't be much of a difference, according to cars.com

2009 0-60 in 7.2
2011 0-60 in 6.7

2009 1/4 m in 15.39
2011 1/4 m in 15.12

There you have it.

[QUOTE=wbhvacer;983467] mabey the rental is a under performer.
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maybe it is - but with no tuning available on motor - how could you DEtune it?

Yea there shouldn't be much of a difference, according to cars.com

2009 0-60 in 7.2
2011 0-60 in 6.7

2009 1/4 m in 15.39
2011 1/4 m in 15.12

There you have it.


yeah I could see that - thanks frank

But 55 HP should make a WAY bigger difference that THAT - I mean we are not dealing with .5 second down in the 9-10 second range - that is where hosrepower is EXPENSIVE and hard t9o come by

Just a thought, but did you pull Fuse #2 to clear the adaptive crap? It is a rental, after all.

yeah I could see that - thanks frank

But 55 HP should make a WAY bigger difference that THAT - I mean we are not dealing with .5 second down in the 9-10 second range - that is where hosrepower is EXPENSIVE and hard t9o come by

Probably doesn't have the HP where it matters, lame torque curve maybe?

Ghost, you didn't by chance have the auto evac on did you? Sounds like you were driving with the defroster or a/c actually engaged. There's your 55hp seat of the pants difference. I hate auto climate controls. They will turn the damn compresser on whether you want it or not, depending on where the temp in the car is.

there is significant difference between the SE and the RT - driven them both

however - I think somebody played cutsie with the numbers on the 3.6
I KNOW the difference in performance the reputed numbers SHOULD provide

what I am saying is that I am NOT feeling that difference

The point of my post exactly. If you can feel a significant difference with the additional 70 hp the 5.7 provides over the 3.6,....then there SHOULD be a significant difference that you should most definitely feel the the extra 55 HP between the V6's.

The point of my post exactly. If you can feel a significant difference with the additional 70 hp the 5.7 provides over the 3.6,....then there SHOULD be a significant difference that you should most definitely feel the the extra 55 HP between the V6's.

It is the hugh amount of torque in the hemis compared to the 3.5 or 3.6 that make the significant difference in "feeling."

The 3.6 torque is 268 and the 3.5 torque is 250. I really don't you would "feel" a big difference in the two. I do think you should feel a little difference.


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You're not taking into account the gear ratio, either. The 2011 has 2.65 gears and your 2010 should have 2.87 (or is it 2:86?). Not a big difference but certainly noticeable.

Yea there shouldn't be much of a difference, according to cars.com

2009 0-60 in 7.2
2011 0-60 in 6.7

2009 1/4 m in 15.39
2011 1/4 m in 15.12

There you have it.


Something is wrong then. A 55 hp increase would make the 2012 almost 1 second quicker in the quarter- not .2 sec.

Here are the numbers that Car and Driver obtained:

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 17.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 39.2 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 163 ft

Don't forget, your car has caliper covers. And its painted the fastest color.

Aftermarket exhaust vs stock (quiet) has the butt dyno fooled.

By Saturday the 28th, I don't care because my supercharger will be on. Ghost you need to get one. Proven 315 RWHP!

Ghost's car is an '09 he should be running the 4speed and a 3.64 ratio, the '10 where the dogs with the 2.87 gears

Neal, are you gonna be able to come to Va on the 28th?

I was thinking of changing my rear but you think I ought a stay with it? Or get the upgraded impeller and shaft?

Something is wrong then. A 55 hp increase would make the 2012 almost 1 second quicker in the quarter- not .2 sec.

Here are the numbers that Car and Driver obtained:

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 17.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 39.2 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.9 sec @ 94 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 163 ft
That C&D test was done on the 3.6 with the 3:06 SST pkg, not the base 3.6 with the 2:65.
Motor Trend tested the 292HP 3.6 Charger at 7.3, 15.6 so you would expect the base 305HP 2:65 Challenger to be a little faster. MT tested the 09 3.5 3:64 at 7.3, 15.6. 2011 Dodge Charger First Test - Motor Trend (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=d94426292b5d65adef9c5237a4eeb8d8&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.challengertalk.com%2Fforums%2Ff38%2Fcha llenger-3-5-vs-charger-3-5-a-63189%2F%23post879014&v=1&libid=1326834618776&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motortrend.com%2Froadtests%2Fsedans%2F1 1012_2011_dodge_charger_test%2Findex.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.challengertalk.com%2Fforums%2Fsearch.ph p%3Fsearchid%3D2815723%26pp%3D25%26page%3D2&title=Challenger%203.5%20vs%20Charger%203.5%20-%20Dodge%20Challenger%20Forum%3A%20Challenger%20%26%20SRT8%2 0Forums&txt=2011%20Dodge%20Charger%20First%20Test%20-%20Motor%20Trend&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13268346795412)

Butt dyno's don't work too well, it's hard to tell slow from slightly slower ;).

What are the 0 to 60 times of your 2009? My 2011 SE consistently turns 6.5's, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. If your times are in the mid to upper 6's then you would not notice a difference.

Numbers don't lie.

Neal, are you gonna be able to come to Va on the 28th?

I was thinking of changing my rear but you think I ought a stay with it? Or get the upgraded impeller and shaft?

working on my shedule to see if I can get free 50/50 right now

It's a toss up on the next mod: Gears will help alot, but you still dealing with the 198mm axles/carrier/hubs are they going to hold up? you might want to wait and do a full srt8 driveline swap or even an rt 6 speed driveline swap. Torque converters are also an option. Who knows what the upgrade impeller will do, if you start getting boost at a lower rpm= more hp/torgue, you might not need the gears/torque converter. Then again , i mod leads to another and you'll probably want them all;) sorry not trying to hijack the thread

A 305HP motor should have 260WHP and this dyno shows 260WHP from the 3.6 - http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f38/2011-se-dyno-chart-52675/

Don't forget, your car has caliper covers. And its painted the fastest color.


*slaps knee* :D

I think at low end the torgue is not there. Get on it at a higher Rpm and it takes off. I have a 2011 SST. On normal take off its slow. Get the rpm up a little and it takes off. Love the suspension on the sst. Has anyone done or read about a break test comparing the regular challenger against the sst version. I Like the way it takes off easy and steady. The Camaro i had jumped off at the stop light to easy.and the cops wanted to get you for jack rappit starts. Love the Challenger over the Camaro.

Until the laggy 5 speed is gone.....

Sometimes I question the "proven" 305hp too.... but shove it in autostick and hammer down in 1st/2nd.. oh, it is there. You just have to find her sweet spot ;)

Until the laggy 5 speed is gone.....

How is a 5-speed Autostick tranny a bad thing? It's a retro vehicle, the original had a 3-speed automatic & upon introduction the new version had a 4-speed automatic. :rolleyes:

Most likely if you have the shorter geared rear end, it's why you're feeling the difference in bottom end accelleration. I'd like to try the 3.06(?) rear end car with the Pentastar.

I've always said my SE is extremely leggy. VERY tall geared....but it's what I needed for my open road commute.....and like SDTS says, use the auto stick and find the sweat spot in this wacky wire-feed gas pedal.....and it goes like hell. The R's climb forever and pull pretty hard. Mine doesn't even really start to pull until I've cleared 60.

For my needs? Mostly I like the nice stereo, comfortable quiet ride, awesome looks and watching my EVIC tick up around 30 mpg on a regular basis. Also, it's the only 6 I've ever owned that spins 12-1300 r's at 45-50 mph. That's pulling a lot of torque just off idle.

The V6 has to be appreciated for what it's made for.

Well I just ran this in my 3.6L base SE... Level ground, ESP on.

http://mattpiper.com/avatars/speedo2.jpg

That's plenty quick.

How is a 5-speed Autostick tranny a bad thing? It's a retro vehicle, the original had a 3-speed automatic & the upon introduction the new version had a 4-speed automatic. :rolleyes:

The trans is laggy. No question about it. The previous 4 speed (09) was never this bad.

Seems like we always find something to argue about in a thread? Hmmm

Nice run Matt. Where did you do it at? I like to use that strip right by Hebron.

The trans is laggy. No question about it. The previous 4 speed (09) was never this bad.

Seems like we always find something to argue about in a thread? Hmmm

I wonder if this means the 8-speed will be even more laggy.

I prefer the term "debate". :icon_wink:

Don't forget, your car has caliper covers. And its painted the fastest color.


LOL LOL :bigthumb:


ACTUALLY I was intrigued enough to do some sprint tests and I did find a significant difference in 55-80mph - the 3.6 had a little better acceleration than the 3.5 BUT with 55hp AND a 5 speed tranny - I really was expecting a lot more

Before I leave for Austin tomorrow - I will pull the #2 fuse - let the system reset - and see how it feels on a 90 mile run :)

ps - dont get me wrong guys - I STILL prefer a V6 to a V8 - otherwise I would have bought an RT

This will make you younger guys laugh - besides my preference for V6, the MAIN reason - above EVERY other consideration -that I did NOT buy an RT was that DAMNED TV screen in the dash - I HATE the B*stards with a passion



IMHO - REAL MUSCLE CARS DONT HAVE TELEVISIONS IN THEM!!

Television?? I assume you are referring to the touch screen? Pretty positive you get a base RT without it..

You've still lost me on this one lol..

I wonder if this means the 8-speed will be even more laggy.

I prefer the term "debate". :icon_wink:

With the 292HP 3.6 8-speed Motor Trend says- "In addition to the efficiency gains, Chrysler says the new transmission makes the 300 and Charger quicker.
Zero to 60 mph is said to take 7.2 seconds, thanks to the confluence of shorter, closer gear ratios; quicker shifts; and a torque converter that locks up more readily. In fact, McCarthy told us he thinks fewer buyers will opt for cars equipped with V-8 engines, because the V-6 and eight-speed provide brisk acceleration as well as betterfueleconomy (http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/#)."
2012 Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger Rated at 19/31 MPG with 8 ... (http://wot.motortrend.com/2012-chrysler-300-dodge-charger-rated-at-1931-mpg-with-new-transmission-113599.html)

Nice run Matt. Where did you do it at? I like to use that strip right by Hebron.

Too funny. Sounds like exactly where I do my 0-60 runs. The level part of Old Denton Rd/2281, just off Hebron.

[QUOTE=shootdownthestars;984131]Television?? I assume you are referring to the touch screen? Pretty positive you get a base RT without it..

You've still lost me on this one lol..[/QUOTE

yep - I HATE the touch screen even when it is off

I had a choice between my Stonewhite SE-G (which was my initial choice) and a Black RT with sound pack II when I was shopping - I was approved for both

the deciding factor was A) that damned screen and B) I had just got finished with a black 335i with black interior that was a friggin OVEN for most of the year down here

still glad I went with my StoneWhite SE


I drive DRAGON (Raul's stroked RT) every once in a while and I just DETEST that screen - to me - it does not belong in this kind of car - it belongs in an minivan

I am with you on the radio. I prefer the old school with buttons and knobs.

So no pdx the 8-speed will not be laggy.

I think the Challenger (SE and R/T in particular) are burdened by too much torque management which inhibits quick starts. My other Dodge has the same trait and it annoys the hell out of me. I can still smoke the 37" tire on my truck but you have to work the throttle just so to do it.

ps - dont get me wrong guys - I STILL prefer a V6 to a V8 - otherwise I would have bought an RT

This will make you younger guys laugh - besides my preference for V6, the MAIN reason - above EVERY other consideration -that I did NOT buy an RT was that DAMNED TV screen in the dash - I HATE the B*stards with a passion

IMHO - REAL MUSCLE CARS DONT HAVE TELEVISIONS IN THEM!!

Hmmm... my R/T doesn't have a DAMNED TV screen in the dash. Anyway, I'm glad YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR POINT. :laugh:

With the 292HP 3.6 8-speed Motor Trend says- "In addition to the efficiency gains, Chrysler says the new transmission makes the 300 and Charger quicker.
Zero to 60 mph is said to take 7.2 seconds, thanks to the confluence of shorter, closer gear ratios; quicker shifts; and a torque converter that locks up more readily. In fact, McCarthy told us he thinks fewer buyers will opt for cars equipped with V-8 engines, because the V-6 and eight-speed provide brisk acceleration as well as betterfueleconomy (http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/#)."
2012 Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger Rated at 19/31 MPG with 8 ... (http://wot.motortrend.com/2012-chrysler-300-dodge-charger-rated-at-1931-mpg-with-new-transmission-113599.html)

Then why the hell did I get an R/T?! :mah:

GHOST is in the body shop and I got a 3.6 pentastar for my rental , all I can say is - versus my stock 3.5 - IF there are 40 extra horses in there - I sure as HELL cant find them

the car doesn't feel as strong as my '09 - what gives?


I agree with you, I drove the 3.5 and 3.6 and couldnt tell the difference, both base stock models. I would put the hammer down and nothing much happened and decided not to buy a black one that all I had to do is sign the paper work. I went to another dealer that had a toxic orange. I got in and it was like night and day as it had the Track Pack which made it move and drive exceptionally better than the stock one I test drove the week before. Needless to say i bought the car that day and with the track pack i get up and going fast.....

I suspect the "throttle management" has a lot to do with it. I drove mine grandpa style when I first bought it during the break in period, and it took several weeks of aggressive driving to get this beast moving.

Just pulling fuse #2 ain't enough. That brings it back to "normal." I wish the throttle was simply attached the butterfly valve old-school style rather than it all being computer controlled.

I think you regularly have to drive it like you stole it to teach it you want it to really move. I've driven my friend who has an '11 R/T in my base SE, and he was amazed at the giddy-up-and-go it had compared to the '10 SE he test drove when looking for his Challenger. He didn't expect him to push him back into his seat the way it did. Not saying it's R/T powerful, but it ain't no slouch.

Short of driving in stop-and-go traffic, I'm off the line very quickly as often as possible. I may not exactly floor it, but these days I don't need to to have it kick you back into the seat.

Simply put, drive your 3.6L very aggressively for a few weeks and I think you'll be surprised how much it wakes up.

I suspect the "throttle management" has a lot to do with it. Simply put, drive your 3.6L very aggressively for a few weeks and I think you'll be surprised how much it wakes up.
I couldn't agree with you more. The temperment of the car changes constantly on how it reacts, all around your driving habits.....and the pedal hammered to the floor is definitely NOT the fastest position. I really do wish there was a way to calibrate this pedal.

Also, I'm doing a test right now with the 3.6.....while the car is designed to run on regular, I'm comparing regular to mid-grade, as I drive the exact places every day and every weekend.
I can't tell any real difference in power but it appears that the regular is averaging around 20 mpg, in-town, commute traffic....and the mid grade tank I just finished averaged 22.7.

I couldn't agree with you more. The temperment of the car changes constantly on how it reacts, all around your driving habits.....and the pedal hammered to the floor is definitely NOT the fastest position. I really do wish there was a way to calibrate this pedal.

Also, I'm doing a test right now with the 3.6.....while the car is designed to run on regular, I'm comparing regular to mid-grade, as I drive the exact places every day and every weekend.
I can't tell any real difference in power but it appears that the regular is averaging around 20 mpg, in-town, commute traffic....and the mid grade tank I just finished averaged 22.7.


But its more that that. I don't care how aggressive you drive the car, torque management still eases the hit when you stomp on the pedal.

gotta get me one of them "butt dynos" !

I couldn't tell the difference either. I was expecting a lot more with the additional 55HP. But I did notice a difference in the steering response. Handling was about the same, I was still able to get it to understeer in the twisties.

But its more that that. I don't care how aggressive you drive the car, torque management still eases the hit when you stomp on the pedal.
Good point....and not just for torque management....but back when I was smogging cars here in California, there was a ton of talk about controlling the dump of CO and HC's out the tailpipe when you stomp the pedal.

There's no doubt the lack of instant response is to ease the butterfly open slower for smog purposes, so the ECM's can adjust to the increase in demand.

yeah but even the slow butterfly should at LEAST be compensated for by the extra gear

yeah but even the slow butterfly should at LEAST be compensated for by the extra gear


Not necessarily. You need to take into account the axle ratio, which in this case has higher gears (negating the benefit of a lower 1st gear).

thats true BUT I am not just talking about launch and acceleration I was referng to the fact that there should be one extra sweet spot through the range and I just feel that SLIGHTLY at 55-80mph

- anyway - the GOOD part is that I am even happier with my choice of GHOST than ever :)

- anyway - the GOOD part is that I am even happier with my choice of GHOST than ever :)


And that's all that matters. :bigthumb:

Wow, I thought the SRT vs RT & SRT/RT vs SE "debates" were interesting... now we have 3.5 vs 3.6 too. :smiley18:

naw this is just civil discussion Vic

Exactly. I'm not into debating any of this, I just want to contribute as many facts as I can so people can come to their own conclusions.

naw this is just civil discussion Vic

You're right, it's short on action. :fight:

You're right, it's short on action. :fight:

no it's just drama free :bigthumb:

GHOST is in the body shop and I got a 3.6 pentastar for my rental , all I can say is - versus my stock 3.5 - IF there are 40 extra horses in there - I sure as HELL cant find them

the car doesn't feel as strong as my '09 - what gives?

Actually there are about 55 extra horses and coming from a 3.5 to the 3.6 I can tell you that they are there. Maybe because I have a Rallye with the 3.06 gearing, but seems to me you should feel them.

Yo Guys...the Challenger is a 4000 lb + machine with a V-6 305 HP rated engine....what are you expecting out of it??? this is the not the muscle version just a daily driver family,grocery getter...if you want performance you have to MAN or WOMAN up and get the R/T or SRT ....!!! lol

...if you want performance you have to MAN or WOMAN up and get the R/T or SRT ....!!! lol

I thought that was accomplished when a Challenger was purchased instead of all the other more economical & reliable vehicles available. :slap:

EDIT: ANY Challenger.

Yo Guys...the Challenger is a 4000 lb + machine with a V-6 305 HP rated engine....what are you expecting out of it??? this is the not the muscle version just a daily driver family,grocery getter...if you want performance you have to MAN or WOMAN up and get the R/T or SRT ....!!! lol

No one is debating this, the conversation is the difference between the 3.5 and the 3.6 performance.

Comparing the high rpm horsepower numbers is kind of the wrong way to look at it, especially with a V6 in a 2 ton car. The low end torque is what really matters, especially with the stupidly high gears Chrysler insists on putting in the rear ends. And the 3.6 has 268 ft lbs vs 250 for the 3.5 . Not a huge difference.

Come on Chrysler! Give us some decent gears, like 3.23's or so, and raise the 5th gear overdrive ratio a bit to compensate on the highway! Do I really have to tell these automotive "engineers" how to build it right?:icon_rolleyes:

Wow, I thought the SRT vs RT & SRT/RT vs SE "debates" were interesting... now we have 3.5 vs 3.6 too. :smiley18:
Hell! It's easy now! Back when I had my '72...I went to a Mopar gathering here in Sacramento and there was a bunch of Mopar guys slashing over the "225/318/340/360/383/392/426/440" debate!:jawdrop:

Come on Chrysler! Give us some decent gears, like 3.23's or so, and raise the 5th gear overdrive ratio a bit to compensate on the highway! Do I really have to tell these automotive "engineers" how to build it right?:icon_rolleyes:

OK, just for my learning experience, is there any $$$ saved by not doing it? :confused:

Yo Guys...the Challenger is a 4000 lb + machine with a V-6 305 HP rated engine....what are you expecting out of it??? this is the not the muscle version just a daily driver family,grocery getter...if you want performance you have to MAN or WOMAN up and get the R/T or SRT ....!!! lol

see Vic even though the thread had nothing to do with V6 vs V8 it didn't take long for some HEMI owner to pipe in and equate buying two extra cylinders with being a man :pillepalle:

Let's all just face it and acknowledge that the Horsepower numbers are just nothing more than a marketing scheme to get people interested in a product. I believe that it all boils down to torque and gearing which chrysler knows that if they make the SE too fast it will tear people away from the Hemi. If Chrysler only had the V6 coupe in the market then they would pull all the stops but instead there has to be levels of power built into the lineup of engines to attract certain segments in the market.

If you look at the Genesis coupe by Hyundai, you will notice that they put everything they could into their V6 and new for next year will be adding 49 hp bringing the car to roughly 355 hp. The car is already faster than all the other ponys with just 306 hp but now it will compete in the 0-60 time of lower 5 secs.

see Vic even though the thread had nothing to do with V6 vs V8 it didn't take long for some HEMI owner to pipe in and equate buying two extra cylinders with being a man :pillepalle:

Being selective much?...did you miss the post earlier on asking why if +70 hp in the RT (over the Pentastar v6, I presume) is enough to notice a difference in feel, then why not +50 hp in the 3.6 SE? It precisely comes down to the engine and displacement. The 5.7 Hemi may have a similar increase in pk hp, but it is also packing considerable increase in hp across the entire rpm range. It is an overall significantly stronger engine, not just one with higher pk rating.

The same cannot be said going from the 3.5 to 3.6. For much of the rpm range, the 3.6 is not all that different from the 3.5 in output, save for a 5-10 hp benefit (as noted in a different post, the similar torque ratings are a good tip-off to this). It's that last stretch of 4000-6000 rpm where the 3.6 really comes out on top. Where the 3.5 is closing up shop, the 3.6 is hitting hard, and that is where the higher pk hp rating plays out. The logic follows, if you really want to exploit that +50 hp on this engine, then you better plan to be spending a lot of time in that 5000-redline zone. That's where the extra power is. This is a good demonstration of the classic difference between a higher rated engine that is just plainly stronger across the board (as in the 5.7 L Hemi) and a higher rated engine that simply has a stronger top end (as in the Pentastar v6). Even in spirited around town driving, the 3.6 is not going to "feel" all that different from the 3.5. You need a fairly clear straight where you can wring it out (or habitually hold at 1st on purpose as you are moving about so the rpm is perpetually on the boil...but then again, what kind of car in this tier isn't a superbeast if you run around in 1st gear all of the time?) to get to that top end hp...that's when you will notice the +50 hp difference.

As noted in an earlier post, the taller axle equipped standard on the SE with the Pentastar v6 is not doing any favors to getting at this top end hp easily, either. Also noted in a different post, this is a near-4000 lb car (as far as you SE owners). You don't just need a lofty pk hp rating to move such a vehicle...you need liberal hp across the board to get it moving quickly. That's either going to come from a big displacement engine or a forced-induction smaller engine.

While using the term "man-up" is laying it on a bit thick (I wouldn't have worded it that way), it is really not off-base. If you want this car to haul some moonshine properly, ;) you aren't waiting for a high-winding v6 to finally be mated to a gearbox with the magic number of speeds and axle ratio, to do it. The correct solution to this predicament has existed and commonly available since 2009. Bite the bullet, don't fret the mpg so much, and savor some sweet Hemi goodness. RT owners promise you it is not the "painful" and harrowing experience that some make it out to be in the least.

Being selective much?...did you miss the post earlier on asking why if +70 hp in the RT (over the Pentastar v6, I presume) is enough to notice a difference in feel, then why not +50 hp in the 3.6 SE?

no I did not miss that...however the context of that statement was still in comparing noticeable butt dyno difference between two HP ranges

no I did not miss that...however the context of that statement was still in comparing noticeable butt dyno difference between two HP ranges
Thanks Ray...that's exactly what I meant. No disrespect to anyone or their motors because we all bought what we got for specific reasons. I was simply making an 'absurd' point for conversation sake.

Obviously, the butt dyno will notice more bottom end torque than high RPM HP once the mass is moving.

Nevertheless, RT became part of the discussion at least by that point.

Whether somebody chooses to use the "man-up" term at a later point, has entirely zippo to do with "Hemi owners", as your comment insinuated. It's simply just a matter of time when "somebody" will show up to a discussion and use some spicy wording...same as any other topic.

Being selective much?.... Bite the bullet, don't fret the mpg so much, and savor some sweet Hemi goodness. RT owners promise you it is not the "painful" and harrowing experience that some make it out to be in the least.


Bite the Bullet?? we were not discussing total horsepower we were discussing the difference betweeen the two V6's

If I want to "bite a bullet" I'll just do a burnout on your hood with my Yoshimura and you can bite that

if you want performance you have to MAN or WOMAN up and get the R/T or SRT ....!!! lol

you know - I agree with you - you p*ssy Hemi boys should man up and break the 10 second barrier OUTSIDE the car and roll bar - on a motorcycle

Bite the Bullet?? we were not discussing total horsepower we were discussing the difference betweeen the two V6's

If I want to "bite a bullet" I'll just do a burnout on your hood with my Yoshimura and you can bite that

"Bite the bullet" is now a provocative and potentially offensive term? Was the chief difference between the 2 v6's being 50-ish hp not a distinct detail brought up in this discussion?...why doesn't 50 hp translate to a significant difference in "feel"? That figure was derived from pk hp numbers, correct?

Friend, I didn't come here to fight with you, so please don't take it that way (unless that is what you and IDMT were baiting for in the first place). I only popped in here because I found it to be an interesting discussion that I thought I could offer a positive contribution to. You asked for a reason why 50 hp doesn't feel different, and I (and others) gave you one.

"Bite the bullet" is now a provocative and potentially offensive term? Was the chief difference between the 2 v6's being 50-ish hp not a distinct detail brought up in this discussion?...why doesn't 50 hp translate to a significant difference in "feel"? That figure was derived from pk hp numbers, correct?

Friend, I didn't come here to fight with you, so please don't take it that way (unless that is what you and IDMT were baiting for in the first place). I only popped in here because I found it to be an interesting discussion that I thought I could offer a positive contribution to. You asked for a reason why 50 hp doesn't feel different, and I (and others) gave you one.

No I tend to prefer discussions be fun and informative than hostile or antagonistic.
my two posts in this thread prior to pointing out the HEMI owners "man up" comment was that the discussion had been civil and drama free...so not sure how that equates to baiting anything?
Bringing the initial R/T question into the discussion was I'm sure an apples to oranges compare but still feel it added to the discussion and was not intended to be inflammatory in any way.
I got no dog in this fight however, it has been an interesting and informative discussion

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Friend, I didn't come here to fight with you, so please don't take it that way (unless that is what you and IDMT were baiting for in the first place). I only popped in here because I found it to be an interesting discussion that I thought I could offer a positive contribution to. You asked for a reason why 50 hp doesn't feel different, and I (and others) gave you one.


then I humbly apologize to you for unfortunately taking you out of context - we get so d*mned TIRED of ignorant remarks from SOME not ALL(by a LOOOOONG shot) hemi owners that I may have overreacted

then I humbly apologize to you for unfortunately taking you out of context - we get so d*mned TIRED of ignorant remarks from SOME not ALL(by a LOOOOONG shot) hemi owners that I may have overreacted


I don't think you over reacted. That was a very ******-baggy comment.

I appreciate your apology, GHOSTDANCE. No apology was needed, but I appreciate it. I just wanted to clear the air before things did get out of control for no good reason.

naw this is just civil discussion Vic

Right when it's getting interesting, everyone makes up!!! :mah:

see Vic even though the thread had nothing to do with V6 vs V8 it didn't take long for some HEMI owner to pipe in and equate buying two extra cylinders with being a man :pillepalle:

Those damn V8ers!!! :twak:

But don't you feel the 3.6 has a better throttle response? I feel the 3.5 has a bit of lag. You didn't notice a difference between the two? When I test drove the 3.6 I felt a quicker response.

I suppose if I am honest I, erm, I use my penis as a sort of car substitute

I suppose if I am honest I, erm, I use my penis as a sort of car substitute

You mean to supplement the 6-speed manual that you wish your car had??? :banana:

You mean to supplement the 6-speed manual that you wish your car had??? :banana:

I think there was an earthquake during his circumcision...started off as an 8.0 but ended up with a 3.5...love yah Ghost :banana:

I think there was an earthquake during his circumcision...started off as an 8.0 but ended up with a 3.5...love yah Ghost :banana:

Yeah, me too Ghost, but... :rofl:

I think there was an earthquake during his circumcision...started off as an 8.0 but ended up with a 3.5...love yah Ghost :banana:

ROTFLMFAO!! Thanx - I KNEW I could count on YOU TWO!!

Wow! Getting warm and fuzzy in here!:grouphug:

Not to break up the fest but I really do think that the 3.06 rear end would have provided you more noticable differences between the two cars.
I wonder what that conversion would do to mpg? Be curious to get some input from some Ralley guys. Don't they all, or some, have 20's though? You'd think that would offset some of the shorter gearing.

I know when I went from 31's to 35's on my Ramcharger....my 318 turned into a wore out VW bus.:huh:

I think there was an earthquake during his circumcision...started off as an 8.0 but ended up with a 3.5...love yah Ghost :banana:


***spits out coffee***

Ok, THAT was funny! :)

Wow! Getting warm and fuzzy in here!:grouphug:

Not to break up the fest but I really do think that the 3.06 rear end would have provided you more noticable differences between the two cars.
I wonder what that conversion would do to mpg? Be curious to get some input from some Ralley guys. Don't they all, or some, have 20's though? You'd think that would offset some of the shorter gearing.

I know when I went from 31's to 35's on my Ramcharger....my 318 turned into a wore out VW bus.:huh:

I went to 20" tires from the stock 18's a couple of weeks ago. The 20's are less than 1/4" taller than the 18's so that would probably not make much of a difference. Also, not all Rallye's have the 3.06 gearing. Mine is the 2.65. When I bought my car I didn't know about the different gearing options. I bought it off the lot so I don't know if they even had one with the 3.06 option. I sure like my gas mileage though!

I went to 20" tires from the stock 18's a couple of weeks ago. The 20's are less than 1/4" taller than the 18's so that would probably not make much of a difference. Also, not all Rallye's have the 3.06 gearing. Mine is the 2.65. When I bought my car I didn't know about the different gearing options. I bought it off the lot so I don't know if they even had one with the 3.06 option. I sure like my gas mileage though!
That's interesting to know about the different Rally rear ends! I was unaware of that...and you're right, when you buy what's available on the lot, you have to choose from what's there. My base model had some options ordered from the factory that usually aren't included, so that was cool.
Keep us posted on the ported throttle body. I'm seriously interested in what you think. I ran into a small snag with ordering mine....minor financial setback....like buying a house. Didn't expect to find one this quickly.
Mrs 2LZ isn't currently quite as understanding about spending 400.00 on the TB as she was a couple weeks ago.:( Something about pest and septic inspections. Where's her priorities!?

That's interesting to know about the different Rally rear ends! I was unaware of that...and you're right, when you buy what's available on the lot, you have to choose from what's there. My base model had some options ordered from the factory that usually aren't included, so that was cool.
Keep us posted on the ported throttle body. I'm seriously interested in what you think. I ran into a small snag with ordering mine....minor financial setback....like buying a house. Didn't expect to find one this quickly.
Mrs 2LZ isn't currently quite as understanding about spending 400.00 on the TB as she was a couple weeks ago.:( Something about pest and septic inspections. Where's her priorities!?

Haha! Congrats on the house. It's a GREAT time to buy right now!

The ported TB should be here Monday but I probably won't be able to install it until next weekend. Hard to get anything done during the week with this "working for a living" thing going on.

I will keep you posted. I am seriously considering the ported intake manifold as well. Will take a few weeks to save up the funding for that. Have not started to sell Mrs. Dreamco on that one yet.

You mean to supplement the 6-speed manual that you wish your car had??? :banana:

Its a PISTOL Grip 6 spd...not a penis grip 6 speed...sheesh. Besides I think he meant he substitutes his shwanz for a Hemi, hopefully not in public.

ps - dont get me wrong guys - I STILL prefer a V6 to a V8 - otherwise I would have bought an RT

This will make you younger guys laugh - besides my preference for V6, the MAIN reason - above EVERY other consideration -that I did NOT buy an RT was that DAMNED TV screen in the dash - I HATE the B*stards with a passion



IMHO - REAL MUSCLE CARS DONT HAVE TELEVISIONS IN THEM!!

Is your V6 preference just because of the MPG?

Swapping out the "TV screen" for a standard radio is as easy as 123 in these cars and I'm sure you could get more for your touchscreen unit than it would cost to buy a used knob radio replacement.


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Its a PISTOL Grip 6 spd...not a penis grip 6 speed...sheesh. Besides I think he meant he substitutes his shwanz for a Hemi, hopefully not in public.

My wife was kind enough to point out that my mopar short throw shifter looked like a butt-plug, I wasn't terribly amused by this...


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I could have done without knowing that

TMI. :jawdrop:

ps - dont get me wrong guys - I STILL prefer a V6 to a V8 - otherwise I would have bought an RT

This will make you younger guys laugh - besides my preference for V6, the MAIN reason - above EVERY other consideration -that I did NOT buy an RT was that DAMNED TV screen in the dash - I HATE the B*stards with a passion



IMHO - REAL MUSCLE CARS DONT HAVE TELEVISIONS IN THEM!!

GHOSTDANCE

Just wanted to show you that R/T's did not all come with TV's in the dash :shocked:

http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af266/jlg1963/2011%20mods/IMG_0973.jpg

I think he knows that he just did not want to wait for a car. I guess at the dealership they had an rt with the "tv" an an se without one in stock.

I agree about not wanting a screen on an old school style muscle car. Especially on a vehicle that many plan to keep as a collectible. In 25 years it'll be like this...

I agree about not wanting a screen on an old school style muscle car. Especially on a vehicle that many plan to keep as a collectible. In 25 years it'll be like this...

Hard to visualize how a flat panel LCD that's integrated into the dash will ever look like a CRT PC monitor :)

Never drove the 3.5 but what I have noticed is cruising about 60 mph and then stepping on it she really get up and goes. This must be her sweet spot.


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Hard to visualize how a flat panel LCD that's integrated into the dash will ever look like a CRT PC monitor :)

OK, I'll clarify for anyone having trouble grasping the concept. :icon_wink:

I mean that in 25 years, technology will have advanced & the current LCD in the dash will look & be obsolete. What it will be is anyone's guess, but in 25 years we've gone from small green display CRT monitors to large 3D display ultra-thin LED monitors. As for the the software, there was a time before Windows when it was thought that 128MB of storage could never be filled. :no:

Never drove the 3.5 but what I have noticed is cruising about 60 mph and then stepping on it she really get up and goes. This must be her sweet spot.


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Nor have I driven a 3.5 and you're absolutely right. My 3.6...though still does a failry respectable 0-60.....gets ON IT after 60.
I tapped 135 last weekend without a problem, on an open highway, early morning. It pulled really hard after 75, with the tall geared rear end.

I have the SSt package which includes the 3:06 rear, 20" wheels and tires, heavey duty suspension. Love the way the car handles and rides. I agree the car takes off a little slower than expected but when you get rolling it gets up and goes. Just could not see $4500.00 differnce for the RT.For $4500.00 i can restore my 38 chev. dirt track open wheel Mod of the 70,s and rewire my 72 javelin and have at least $1500. left over. The open wheel mod will have a 500HP motor in it and can do around 100mph on a 3/8th mile oval. More fun than a RT or SRT.Love my Challenger

I think he knows that he just did not want to wait for a car. I guess at the dealership they had an rt with the "tv" an an se without one in stock.


correct - at the time ALL the R/Ts (first year) on the lots had the screens - I did not even know that they were available WO one



BTW - Just got back from Austin and NOW I SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!!


Some B*STARD evidently might of sort kinda reset the #2 fuse and the car came ALIVE!!

VERY NICE and VERY similar to what a 340 Duster felt like in the day

OK, I'll clarify for anyone having trouble grasping the concept. :icon_wink:

I mean that in 25 years, technology will have advanced & the current LCD in the dash will look & be obsolete. What it will be is anyone's guess, but in 25 years we've gone from small green display CRT monitors to large 3D display ultra-thin LED monitors. As for the the software, there was a time before Windows when it was thought that 128MB of storage could never be filled. :no:


You are talking to an IT guy who's worked his way up from MVS Mainframe. We still had Green CRT's until recently :)

This topic really doesn't apply, because any technology that would replace a flush mounted, flat screen LCD, is going to make any technology obsolete. I think the LCD screen will look period correct for the car, as it IS period correct :)

Hey I completely understand the whole analogue thing, as I type this, there is a 20 watt single ended, push/pull pure class A monoblock tube amp sitting to my left and sitting to my right, and wired into my PC, and powering a pair of vintage JBL 62 Studio monitor cabinets with 7" kevlar midranges and Ribbon Tweeters.. I understand old school.. But I'm also a techie! :)

I remember playing Microsoft Flight Similator F117A on a single 5.25" floppy and the PC had a whooping 300mb of disk :)

I come back here and GAH DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The base/trac rear end differences.... all the more reason to swap in a 3:64 rear in the 2010 models :)

I concurr on the sweetspot on the throttle in at least the 2010. It is no where near as jumpy or responsive if mash it, compared to part throttle, let the RPM's build, then floor it. Works wonders.

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I concurr on the sweetspot on the throttle in at least the 2010. It is no where near as jumpy or responsive if mash it, compared to part throttle, let the RPM's build, then floor it. Works wonders.

The 2011 reacts the same way. U need to run about 75% till Rpms get up then floor it!



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This topic really doesn't apply, because any technology that would replace a flush mounted, flat screen LCD, is going to make any technology obsolete. I think the LCD screen will look period correct for the car, as it IS period correct :)

While the current LCD will be period correct, I think the desire to own will be on par with that of 8-track, cassette & eventually CD players. As for the technology that'll replace it, I believe the need to touch a screen will become non-existent. It'll be completely voice activated & the display will be on the lower portion of the windshield, allowing drivers to keep their eyes on the road... & out of warranty repair costs will be over the top. :lookaround:

While the current LCD will be period correct, I think the desire to own will be on par with that of 8-track, cassette & eventually CD players. As for the technology that'll replace it, I believe the need to touch a screen will become non-existent. It'll be completely voice activated & the display will be on the lower portion of the windshield, allowing drivers to keep their eyes on the road... & out of warranty repair costs will be over the top. :lookaround:

I agree, cars will become a technology filled Mecca. I work in the technology field and I love my tech. But I will hope someone will shot me when the gov't demands all cars be driven by computers. I love driving my '11 Rallye too much.


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The 2011 reacts the same way. U need to run about 75% till Rpms get up then floor it!
Isn't that just the weirdest thing? I'm trying to train myself to only stab it about 75%.....wait....and once you really feel it start to pull hard....then floor it.

Not like any hot rods I've ever built before. Has to be a smog deal......
It's just really odd to see a V6 hood lift like that when it takes off and you suddenly feel pressed into the seat.

Heck...I bought the SE for the cool looks, nice ride and mileage!

I wonder if it's the smog thing or the transmission? Do u think dodge programmed it so u wouldn't exceed the limits of the transmission?

I think the 3.6 And 3.5 is a lot more powerful then dodge let's on. Note that there is no 6-speed for the SE. The 6-speed can hold a lot more torque then the auto. And torque is all us daily drives want, because torque translates to acceleration a lot better then HP.


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correct - at the time ALL the R/Ts (first year) on the lots had the screens - I did not even know that they were available WO one

BTW - Just got back from Austin and NOW I SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!!

Some B*STARD evidently might of sort kinda reset the #2 fuse and the car came ALIVE!!

VERY NICE and VERY similar to what a 340 Duster felt like in the day

So GHOSTDANCE are you saying that pulling the #2 fuze in an "SE" also affects the engine performance? I've only heard that working with the V8s.

YES :) made all of the difference in the world on that car - It felt good enough to where I dont see the difference in the SE and RT to be worth an extra 5000.00 - the car performed like a small block V*

ps I do the fuse tick with GHOST before I go on a road trip and it is noticeable

I wonder if it's the smog thing or the transmission? Do u think dodge programmed it so u wouldn't exceed the limits of the transmission?

I think the 3.6 And 3.5 is a lot more powerful then dodge let's on. Note that there is no 6-speed for the SE. The 6-speed can hold a lot more torque then the auto. And torque is all us daily drives want, because torque translates to acceleration a lot better then HP.


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The same tranny is in the HEMI equipped cars so I doubt that is the issue, at least in the Pentastar cars. My feelings are its all "green" related to help appease some ridiculous EPA mandate.

The 3.6 is putting down about the amount of power on an rpm basis that you would expect out of an engine of 3.6 L displacement...which should be a click better than what you would expect out of a 3.5 L engine. The "300 hp" bit doesn't really come into play until you are winding it out. That's where it will feel significantly different from the 3.5...because it has a more potent top end than the 3.5. It's not "300 hp" in the same sense of how it is delivered from a smaller v8 (which would typically still be bigger than 3.6 L). If you want to extract that 300 hp kind of feel out of it, then it is critical to keep the engine on the boil at no lower than 4000 rpm. 4k-6k rpm is where you got to keep it...with autostick, if need be.

In my experience, availability of power has to do with displacement. The higher the engine's displacement, the lower the RPMs need to be to have the power available.

A 2L four-cylinder engine may need to get above 4500rpms before any real power is available. A 6.4L HEMI on the other hand has power available immediately. Our 3.6L seems to fall in the middle. It still has to be wound up to get some power, but not as high as a small displacement engine...

...It felt good enough to where I dont see the difference in the SE and RT to be worth an extra 5000.00 - the car performed like a small block V*

Excuse me, that would be $6500.00. Thank you. :rolleyes:

In my experience, availability of power has to do with displacement. The higher the engine's displacement, the lower the RPMs need to be to have the power available.

A 2L four-cylinder engine may need to get above 4500rpms before any real power is available. A 6.4L HEMI on the other hand has power available immediately. Our 3.6L seems to fall in the middle. It still has to be wound up to get some power, but not as high as a small displacement engine...


Yeah, that is typically true. The 5.9L 6-cylinder engine in my truck only makes 325 h.p. but it does it at less than 3000 rpm (it makes over 600 lb-ft torque at 1900 rpm). It is a diesel so the numbers don't quite compare exactly to gas engines of the same size but the theory is pretty much the same. You know what they say, "there is no replacement for displacement!"

Just to give perspective, the 3.6 will be generating the same kind of power, running it from 4200-6200 rpm, as the 5.7 Hemi will when doing 3000-4000 rpm. If I kept my RT wot inside of 3000-4000 rpm for any significant amount of time, I would be awash in some major speed! That's for sure. ;)

As of right now, it's dropped off the radar, but the Pentastar was also slated to make two more appearances. One as a 3.0L single turbo (370HP) and 3.0L twin turbo unit @ 420HP.
That would have been a kick in the pants to drive. Hopefully it will resurface on the future docket.

I wonder if it's the smog thing or the transmission? Do u think dodge programmed it so u wouldn't exceed the limits of the transmission?

I think the 3.6 And 3.5 is a lot more powerful then dodge let's on. Note that there is no 6-speed for the SE. The 6-speed can hold a lot more torque then the auto. And torque is all us daily drives want, because torque translates to acceleration a lot better then HP.


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The NAG1 is rated "580 Maximum input torque capacity in Newton meters", whatever that is. Don't they use the NAG1 in R/T's also?

The NAG1 is rated "580 Maximum input torque capacity in Newton meters", whatever that is. Don't they use the NAG1 in R/T's also?


580 Nm = 428 lb-ft

And yes, the R/T has the NAG1 also.

Excuse me, that would be $6500.00. Thank you. :rolleyes:

only if you.......cough cough........are UNABLE to NEGOTIATE!!

only if you.......cough cough........are UNABLE to NEGOTIATE!!
In my case, my car was 22.4 and the R/T was 31.9, on the windshield banner.
That's 9500.00 according to my calculator.

Negotiating applies to both cars so that's pretty much not a consideration.

only if you.......cough cough........are UNABLE to NEGOTIATE!!

Or if you.... chuckle chuckle.... take preferred options into account. :p

Generally, people compare the amount saved based on the $ amount from MSRP. This isn't an accurate figure though, because one vehicle may not have the same trim level or options as another. I compare, especially while negotiating a price, the discounted % from MSRP. With my R/T, I was able to save 21% from the MSRP. :bigthumb:

Some B*STARD evidently might of sort kinda reset the #2 fuse and the car came ALIVE!!

VERY NICE and VERY similar to what a 340 Duster felt like in the day

You are comparing the Pentastar 3.6L to the 340 correct? That is a really cool comparison. I have never had the pleasure of driving a 340 but I know my 3.6L feels great! I have also thought of the 3.6L as a modern day 340 as well.

Also, excuse my ignorance on the subject, but what do you mean by resting the #2 fuse on the 3.6L? How would you do that and what does it do?

Thanks in advance,
Richard

Also, excuse my ignorance on the subject, but what do you mean by resting the #2 fuse on the 3.6L? How would you do that and what does it do?

Thanks in advance,
Richard

No ignorance at all. Here you go...

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f108/fuse-2-pulled-engine-wake-up-call-67709/

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.... except don't go in there posting "I didn't notice a diffence on my v6" because the hemi "men" will eat you alive *eyeroll*

Before getting my 2011 SE with ss/t 3.6 Penstar, I rented about (3) different 3.5's and the difference is night and day. I'm very glad I waited for the 3.6!!!!

No ignorance at all. Here you go...

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f108/fuse-2-pulled-engine-wake-up-call-67709/

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Thanks for the info!
I think I actually may benefit from this - I do drive quite conservative most of the time as my commute to work is less than 4 km.

Just to confirm - I just open the fuse box under the hood with the car off and pull the fuse? Not gona get electrocuted or anything right? Haha..

Thanks again,
Richard

Thanks for the info!
I think I actually may benefit from this - I do drive quite conservative most of the time as my commute to work is less than 4 km.

Just to confirm - I just open the fuse box under the hood with the car off and pull the fuse? Not gona get electrocuted or anything right? Haha..

Thanks again,
Richard

Perfectly safe. It's 12 volts DC. Just don't stick any pointy, metalic objects in there. You could cause a problem for the car.

I did the fuse 2 pull on my 2011 Pentastar - I could tell a difference for sure. The transmission responded much better for me. It most likely worked so well for me as I do drive pretty conservative most of the time and therefore my car adapted to this style.

I was getting slightly annoyed with the transmission as of late - but I think this may have cured it.

How often do you guys do the fuse 2 pull anyway? Mine is my daily driver.

Thanks again,
Richard

Hmm interesting Rich.. maybe I should try it again. With the snow and ice on the roads and the snow tires mounted I have been driving kinda old-ladyish lately.. maybe I will notice it now.

no go to the sticky - its in one of the first subforums and do the reset to your THROTTLE - you WILL notice a difference


I try to remember and reset Ghost before I go on road trips - for a little extra ooomph and to drive a little more aggresively to get a higher set of parameters in the computer

How-To, DIY and Tips & Tricks - Dodge Challenger Forum: Challenger & SRT8 Forums (http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f108/) that is the sticky ling - just go thru pages until you come throttle reset - you will se a LOT of good info on other things as well

Hey GHOST,
Did you ever post a video of your exhaust? Tried finding it but was unsuccessful.
Sorry to stray a bit of topic,
Thanks,
Richard

2011 SXT

thats allright rich - let me find hess's thread real quick and Ill pm it to ya :)

Perfectly safe. It's 12 volts DC. Just don't stick any pointy, metalic objects in there. You could cause a problem for the car.

or your tongue :jester:

no go to the sticky - its in one of the first subforums and do the reset to your THROTTLE - you WILL notice a difference


I try to remember and reset Ghost before I go on road trips - for a little extra ooomph and to drive a little more aggresively to get a higher set of parameters in the computer
Nah I've done both several times and did not notice anything different..

and yet most of us in the lower 48 have - something different with Canadian version or gas???

Hmmm doubtful. I've run up to 94 octane through.. and my car was made in the states.

maybe the Quebecers are sabotaging all of the indbound Challengers???

I felt the extra 55 at peak RPM for about 2 seconds on my test run. The low end def feels a bit better, less like a boar stuck in mud. Also it feels a LOT like a predator tuned v6. If you compared the 3.6 stock vs 3.5 stock you will feel a big diff. The 3.5 with pred though, it gets damn close. We'll see what happens when they unlock that 3.6!