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Old 11-12-2012, 01:02 PM
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Just curious, are the B&G tunes in question customized to the mods in which you both have added or is this the same tune any 392 would get? What I'm getting at is that Diablo made a tune that could be put into any stock or bolt-on SRT8 that is completely safe to use in any conditions. Are the B&G tunes the same or are they tweaked for each car depending on mods? If tweaked, it's a bit of an unfair comparison until you have a CMR tune done with the Trinity.
Actually I think Trinity CMR vs B&G is an unfair comparison. The advantage the Trinity has is that it's customizable. You will be able to take it to your tuner (any tuner who can do CMR tunes) and have your car dyno tuned specifically for your mods and how your car runs. While B&G could probably customize their tune, you have to work with them. Unless you're local to them that can be complicated.

Right now comparing straight up canned tunes, B&G appears to have an advantage (as long as you're not talking about cost). How long will that last? Who knows. I would be willing to bet that the diablo canned tunes become more competitive. I decided a while ago that I did not want to work with Red Barron and B&G. I bought a trinity and will be working with my tuner.
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Actually I think Trinity CMR vs B&G is an unfair comparison. The advantage the Trinity has is that it's customizable. You will be able to take it to your tuner (any tuner who can do CMR tunes) and have your car dyno tuned specifically for your mods and how your car runs. While B&G could probably customize their tune, you have to work with them. Unless you're local to them that can be complicated.

Right now comparing straight up canned tunes, B&G appears to have an advantage (as long as you're not talking about cost). How long will that last? Who knows. I would be willing to bet that the diablo canned tunes become more competitive. I decided a while ago that I did not want to work with Red Barron and B&G. I bought a trinity and will be working with my tuner.
I specifically said, IF the B&G tunes are tweaked for certain mods, THEN it is an unfair comparison. This is not the case though as Red Barron just stated that the B&G is an "off the shelf" 93 octane tune.
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Good to see these comparisons. There is no doubt the tunes will improve.
We havent even tested a CAI yet, and while I think the stock intake 'looks' to flow really well, it seems the addition of a CAI does lean it out a bit.

Has anyone done any logging on any of these runs?
Im curious to compare timing, knock, and fueling between them to see where the difference lies.
Also, if running a CAI, go ahead and add about 5% to the WOT fueling parameters to see if it picks up a bit
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Originally Posted by DiabloMike View Post
Good to see these comparisons. There is no doubt the tunes will improve.
We havent even tested a CAI yet, and while I think the stock intake 'looks' to flow really well, it seems the addition of a CAI does lean it out a bit.

Has anyone done any logging on any of these runs?
Im curious to compare timing, knock, and fueling between them to see where the difference lies.
Also, if running a CAI, go ahead and add about 5% to the WOT fueling parameters to see if it picks up a bit
Now I wish we would have datalogged it.

I believe your canned tunes for a CAI and Catback will produce at least the same results. I do plan to do more mods so my long term solution is definately Trinity and CMR tune. I will just have to determine how much I want to do over the winter. At least Cam and Longtubes, maybe heads too.

Mike, I hope I gave a fair review of the Trinity versue the B&G for my application. I truly believe the Trinity and your canned tunes will be great going forward when you have a chance to start that process for CAI, Catback, etc.
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so the DSP Trinity only trapped 1mph less and didn't even have a CAI/93 Tune on it ??

damn - i thought the Trinity at least had a CAI Tune file on it....

kind of puts it into a different perspective on how good it is....

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Originally Posted by DiabloMike View Post
Good to see these comparisons. There is no doubt the tunes will improve.
We havent even tested a CAI yet, and while I think the stock intake 'looks' to flow really well, it seems the addition of a CAI does lean it out a bit.

Has anyone done any logging on any of these runs?
Im curious to compare timing, knock, and fueling between them to see where the difference lies.
Also, if running a CAI, go ahead and add about 5% to the WOT fueling parameters to see if it picks up a bit
Mike I think it would be more appropriate to call Dave to get the differences than ask members to provide this. Thanx Steve
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I will tell you there is still a bit left on the table with tunes. I wish I could have worked out the time to go tune with Dave. I think with his tools....

Anyway, my opinion on what your seeing is torque management primarily. My car picked up about .2 in the quarter with the b&g tune. Of course being a cmr tuner I can say that the tuning will improve by leaps and bounds. Also know the new relationship with Arrington and B&G I see them advancing as we'll.

Either way. Exciting times. I'm really enjoying playing w 392's on the dyno


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Originally Posted by DiabloMike View Post
Good to see these comparisons. There is no doubt the tunes will improve.
We havent even tested a CAI yet, and while I think the stock intake 'looks' to flow really well, it seems the addition of a CAI does lean it out a bit.

Has anyone done any logging on any of these runs?
Im curious to compare timing, knock, and fueling between them to see where the difference lies.
Also, if running a CAI, go ahead and add about 5% to the WOT fueling parameters to see if it picks up a bit
I have done logging with my trinity. Our gas in WA is 92 octane and I have both the B&G 91 north ECU and the Trinity. In mid Sepember went back to the stock ECU because the B&G was causing engine knock. With trinity and the 91 tune, I can see some st/kr just about any time that I get on it even part throttle it would max out at 4.5 with out shifting. I tried adding 5% fuel in a ranges and it helped, and am trying 3 deg less spark in all ranges right now with fuel back to normal. I came across an article about the winter blend fuel with ethenol makes the stoic 14.2 instead of 14.7. I am going to add 10% more fueland put the spark back and data log again. My only mods are the AEM drop in filter.
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Mike I think it would be more appropriate to call Dave to get the differences than ask members to provide this. Thanx Steve
Dave is not new to this.
He knows full well that its feasible for anyone to read out a copy of his tune from any PCM he flashes it to.
It wont be a week (happened already?) before someone has his tune files open in CMR to see whats changed. Its possible that we dont even have everything mapped out that he has changed, but we'll get there. He tends to get info at a pretty swift rate

We have a great relationship with B&G, always have, always will. Anyone with any logging tool can (and should for real world testing) datalog anything they like to see what the differences are, there is absolutely nothing remotely protected by datalogging, in fact, without it nobody would ever know what their tune changes were doing, and we'd have zero development

If you have 3 CMR tunes from 3 different tuners, you run and log them all to see the differences. You dont need to know all the changes that were made to see which one shines and why.

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I have done logging with my trinity. Our gas in WA is 92 octane and I have both the B&G 91 north ECU and the Trinity. In mid Sepember went back to the stock ECU because the B&G was causing engine knock. With trinity and the 91 tune, I can see some st/kr just about any time that I get on it even part throttle it would max out at 4.5 with out shifting. I tried adding 5% fuel in a ranges and it helped, and am trying 3 deg less spark in all ranges right now with fuel back to normal. I came across an article about the winter blend fuel with ethenol makes the stoic 14.2 instead of 14.7. I am going to add 10% more fueland put the spark back and data log again. My only mods are the AEM drop in filter.
good call, add fuel rather than pull spark
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