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392 motor forged internals

Anyone know if the 2011-2012 (392) comes with forged internals?
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Lower end should be forged.

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Crank is Forged Steel, rods are "Cracked Cap" Forged Powder Metal and pistons are Hyperutectic.

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Toxic - excellent post

Could you compare what the 392 internals are like to, let's say, an 03 Cobra or any other forged internal vehicle ??

For example "the 392 has stronger pistons than XXXXX car because they're hyperutectic but not as good as the XXXX car because they're XXXX"...

I guess I'm requesting that you put it into perspective for people that don't know the terminology
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Hyperutetics are not very forgiving with detonation

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Hyperutectic is a term that denotes a high silicon content cast aluminum alloy. A Hyperutectic piston is "technically" cast, but has more resiliency than a typical cast piston. The thermal expansion is well controlled and they are lighter than a typical out of the box forged piston.

As Andre said, Hyperutectic are not forgiving with detonation, at their core, they are still cast, so detonation can cause them to fracture and crack. Forged aluminum while being more dense (and more heavy) is also more malleable, which means the piston can handle deformation without fracturing. That is not to say a Forged piston won't fracture, they sure will! But they are more forgiving in boosted and nitrous fed applications where there is the possibility of detonation.

The Fractured Cap Powdered Metal rod technology is nothing new. Basically what they do is they take a measured amount of powder that meets the specification for the material properties and it is forged under pressure and heat in a mold. The rod comes out of the mold with a very consistent finish and a very close weight tolerance. The rod is then finish machined, the rod and crank journal areas are finished and the finished rod is put onto a machine that "cracks" the cap off the bottom of the rod rather than cutting the cap off. This ensures that the cap will always be 100% aligned because the fracture is unique to each rod/cap.

Steel Forged cranks are old school time tested tech. Forged Steel is dense, strong and somewhat malleable before fracturing occurs. It's the strongest crank you are going to see in a factory engine, unless that engine is some high end, hand built exotic that is running a "Forged Billet" crank.


Here is an example of a Forged Steel modern Hemi Crank. The crank pictured is from a 6.1 Hemi, note the wide "parting line" on the ends of the counterweights. Cast Crank's will have a very narrow, very sharp parting line.





To put things into perspective.. Here is an excerp of the materials in the new ZL1 Camaro LSA.

Components and design elements that contribute to the LSA’s performance include:
■Balanced, lightweight reciprocating assembly
■High-strength hypereutectic pistons

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Nestled inside the LSA’s deep-skirted cylinder block is a forged steel crankshaft that delivers a 3.62-inch (92 mm) stroke. It features an eight-bolt flange – the outer face of the crankshaft on which the flywheel is mounted – that provides enhanced clamping strength. Other non-supercharged GM 6.2L engines have a six-bolt flange. A torsional damper mounted to the front of the crankshaft features a keyway and friction washer, which is designed to support the engine’s high loads.
Connected to the crankshaft is a set of lightweight powder-metal connecting rods and hypereutectic pistons, which, when combined with the cylinder heads, delivers a 9.1:1 compression ratio. The alloy of the pistons was selected for its strength and heat resistance properties, while the cast design provides inherent quieting advantages over other piston materials, such as forged aluminum."


Source- Camaro Zl1 Exhaust | RoadTest TV

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Great information, thanks!
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Thanks for the info Toxic11..!!!!
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Thanks for the info Toxic11..!!!!
X2! Good to know.
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So... the LSA's bottom end uses the exact same materials as the 6.4L Hemi's? And the GT500 only adds forged pistions?

Interesting...

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