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#51 (permalink) Old 12-24-2012, 11:45 AM
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I don't know where everybody is getting their numbers from, but if Roomraider is putting down 580 and Dave Kasper at B&G has found another 30 HP on his setup that would give him 610 to the ground. The difference between 610 and 630 is 3.2% which could be caused by a multitude of things. I'm not saying the car has 630HP the dyno is! Like everybody has said dyno's are a tuning tool. Maybe all the dyno guru's should get together and develop a dyno calibration standard.

The other thing some are doing is generalizing supercharger types. Does a Magnusen run as cool as a Vortech or cooler? Which kit has cooler AIT's (this one makes a significant difference in power). I do know my AIT's stay within 8-10 degrees of ambient. There is more to it than just boost and injectors! How do these other factors come into play?

I'm happy for you, Its just funny how we love the drum numbers( I'm guilty). I give some respect to Dave for his ability to tune the new platform, but I don't give a tuner respect for the numbers he can produce when there are so many variables. When it come to max power and tuning, its just fuel and spark period. Agressive high hp numbers are how much you push those two. All the other stuff are ways to manipulate the tables for more power by adding or taking away from fuel and spark. I give great respect to tuners that give longevity, drivability, linear power, cold starts, timing during shifts etc.

Kasper may be a good tuner, but its not because he can get you 30hp more than other guys.

Let us know what you do with the fuel system.



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I'm happy for you, Its just funny how we love the drum numbers( I'm guilty). I give some respect to Dave for his ability to tune the new platform, but I don't give a tuner respect for the numbers he can produce when there are so many variables. When it come to max power and tuning, its just fuel and spark period. Agressive high hp numbers are how much you push those two. All the other stuff are ways to manipulate the tables for more power by adding or taking away from fuel and spark. I give great respect to tuners that give longevity, drivability, linear power, cold starts, timing during shifts etc.

Kasper may be a good tuner, but its not because he can get you 30hp more than other guys.

Let us know what you do with the fuel system.
I could careless about drum numbers, but this forum tends to like them and then chew you up and spit them out when you provide them. I will assure you Dave Kasper didn't get his higher numbers by taking AJ's tune and leaning it out and and adding timing.

Anyhow I'm hooked on boost!

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Ah... ok
And don't forget about the ten or so that Dodge produced to cover wrecked or damaged cars... LOL!

Anyway, RB, thanks for all the hard work and development. The "community" sure appreciates it!!!

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That IE is going to hold value on looks alone I bet. Though someday numbers matching could matter I guess. How limited is the IE?
You want rare? Research "2011 Kowalski Challenger" or Drag Pack Challenger... That's rare. I'm pretty sure that there are fewer 2011 Billet Silver Challengers than white or blue IEs...
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You want rare? Research "2011 Kowalski Challenger" or Drag Pack Challenger... That's rare. I'm pretty sure that there are fewer 2011 Billet Silver Challengers than white or blue IEs...
Well I didnt buy my IE as an investment. I liked the car and I am doing whatever I want to it. We will be too old to enjoy any increase in value if it ever happens anyway.

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I could careless about drum numbers, but this forum tends to like them and then chew you up and spit them out when you provide them. I will assure you Dave Kasper didn't get his higher numbers by taking AJ's tune and leaning it out and and adding timing.

Anyhow I'm hooked on boost!
I think what you are doing is terrific. A month ago some people were reading your and Dave's eulogy and expecting you to roll over and die. Instead you embraced the new technology, integrated your product with it and formed some great strategic alliances. Now you have a 2011 S/C'ed 392 working on a stock ECU. Although I have heard others are working on supercharger packages for the 392, I don't see them posting pictures and updates along with Dyno charts like you have done.

I appreciate all the great things going on right now, no matter if it is you, B&G, Diablosport, Brian or any other vendor developing products for the 2011+ Hemi's, but I know for sure that these efforts will result in me having many options for modding my car when it comes out of winter storage. Far be it for me to criticize or nitpick.

As far as your Dyno numbers, I couldn't care less if it was a generous or stingy Dyno, they are very encouraging and impressive. Keep up the good work Steve and Merry Christmas to you and yours!



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Guy's it is well know that I have joing forces with Arrington Performance and AJ and myself are working together, there is no compition between us on who can out do who or produce the biggest HP numbers, but we are working together to produce the most refined and World Class tuning solutions to be avalible for the Chrysler Vehicle Line up.
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You spelling ability is freaking me out dude!!!! lol J/K

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very excieted to see things moving forward for the 392, even if most of it is moving out of the price range I am comfortable with, lol. Should be interesting summer coming up.

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HA,HA Yeah small phone small key pad in a parking lot in a rush.
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