All SRT's have a factory breakin period of 3750 and then 7500 miles, whether it is a 6.1 or (392) 6.4 Hemi. It is normal to run low 13s until the breakin period is complete. My friend's 2011 6speed SRT didn't break into the 12s until after this breakin period on the STOCK "Factory" ECU was complete. So, I'm not that impressed with what the BG Tune allows. What the BG Tune "only" does is bypass the factory breakin periods forcing the car to run fast before the recommended breakin period by the factory.
A well broken in 6.1 or 6.4 Hemi will post ETs into the 12s under the right conditions, and definitely on Drag Radials.
The B&G tune ticks all the same boxes as any normal/good tune:
air/fuel/spark tables optimized for higher octane and more power
throttle response improved
torque management reduced/eliminated (depends on tranny)
fan settings optimized for 180F stat
slight increase in rev limiter setting
In hot air with poor DA, it doesn't make much more power than stock (nor will any other safe tune because the AIT sensor will pull timing). In cooler air with better DA, it makes a nice power gain over stock and is good on average for 3 tenths and 2 MPH.
Yes, DRs will put a stock M6 into the 12s. There was one at the track the same night as Vichammer and he was running 12.7x @ 108.x on 305/20/20 DRs. Vichammer was running 12.7x @ 110.x on 275/40 street tires with a considerably worse 60' time. Put those same DRs on Vichammer's tuned car and it would run 12.4x @ 112.x under the same conditions/DA.
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2011 SRT8 392 IE #88 DWB: M6, 430N, Group II, Mopar Appearance Package
your first 13 second run was probably due to a bad DA.
your 12.5 was probably a much improved DA.
As I stated my Very Stock 392 runs 12's wo a tune. Comparing to some of you with a tune my car should run high 11's.
This race was block time and my times just kept getting better and better so, the other guy won. Never the less, your cars should be running 12's all day any day wo tuning.
The 6 speeds also cross the traps in 4th, so that's one more shift they have to make versus the autos which finish the 1/4 mile in thrid.
LOL at Kakdiesel1, I didn't realize a member of the NHRA hall of fame graced us with his presence here on the forums, but thanks for letting us know how awesome you are...rolls eyes... Oh you can run really good times with an automatic, must be hard to hit the go pedal like you do.
Drag racing like anything takes practice, you have been doing it a while obviously, the people you rip on are probably learning the sport and their cars.
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'12 Challenger SRT8 Pitch Black 6-speed, stripe delete, all options
-BT catch can, skip shift eliminator, K & N drop in, BB's resonater delete, Jet 180 t-stat, ceramic tint/clear bra 13.56@104.38 DA 7170 - that's 12.33@114.45 corrected!!!
As I stated my Very Stock 392 runs 12's wo a tune. Comparing to some of you with a tune my car should run high 11's.
This race was block time and my times just kept getting better and better so, the other guy won. Never the less, your cars should be running 12's all day any day wo tuning.
Just remember, great DA yields great quarter mile times. According to dragTimes.com's DA calculator, Atco was at -76 feet DA just a hour before you ran. Just saying...
I'll agree with that Jersey and Pa's Density Altitude is anywhere for -1500 to +1500. +/- some. Where do you guys live Aspen? I'm not trying to fight with anyone. Just saying this car should run 12's all day every day wo a tune.
And EricG? If your not going to read all the posts don't embarrass yourself. I said I only drag raced twice my whole life. Maybe 6 total runs and my best was 12.593. If you want your car to go faster i would be happy to drive it for you?
I'll agree with that Jersey and Pa's Density Altitude is anywhere for -1500 to +1500. +/- some. Where do you guys live Aspen? I'm not trying to fight with anyone. Just saying this car should run 12's all day every day wo a tune.
And EricG? If your not going to read all the posts don't embarrass yourself. I said I only drag raced twice my whole life. Maybe 6 total runs and my best was 12.593. If you want your car to go faster i would be happy to drive it for you?
Look man, I am not the person who ever flames a thread, but I gotta point a few things out. You are a new forum member who is puffing his chest out with your 12 second time slips and criticizing others who are running 13's. So far, you have not specified whether you have a A5 or a M6 but again, my firm belief is that you have an automatic. In that case, you are not an exceptional driver, but you are in fact just another face in the crowd as countless 392 Challengers with automatics run 12's all the time. We have a member who ran 12.25, another 12.28 and even another 12.33 with bone stock 392 Challengers.
Heck, there is even a forum member with a Charger Superbee (100 lbs. heavier) who ran 12.13. So again, your times are quite ordinary. Your times do not automatically make you a extraordinary talented driver, as so many other forum members have done what you have and better. The crapola you are whining about the slow time slips of 392 Challengers are the 6-speed versions. Yeah, everyone who reads these forums before they post all know of the struggle to get a 12 second time slip on a M6 392 Challenger.
I for one have a M6 392, and as an experienced drag racer for over 25 years, my best run in +2000DA was 13.19. A friend who is a professional drag racer was able to get it down to 13.09 in my car. For me, it took a tune, better tires and a Hopnot kit to get it down to 12.75. The same night I accomplished that, there was a guy with a almost brand new Challenger 392 A5 running 12.58. It is what is is, the automatic cars run far quicker at the track then the manuals. Again, you are new here but you need to learn the difference as it is huge. Your times are nothing but average, PERIOD! Go back and start reading the other posts in this forum and learn things like the effects of DA and M6 vs A5 and then maybe your posts will be taken more seriously, and your criticism of others mainly the M6 owners stuck in the 13's will be something you will know you were way off base about.
Look man, I am not the person who ever flames a thread, but I gotta point a few things out. You are a new forum member who is puffing his chest out with your 12 second time slips and criticizing others who are running 13's. So far, you have not specified whether you have a A5 or a M6 but again, my firm belief is that you have an automatic. In that case, you are not an exceptional driver, but you are in fact just another face in the crowd as countless 392 Challengers with automatics run 12's all the time. We have a member who ran 12.25, another 12.28 and even another 12.33 with bone stock 392 Challengers.
Heck, there is even a forum member with a Charger Superbee (100 lbs. heavier) who ran 12.13. So again, your times are quite ordinary. Your times do not automatically make you a extraordinary talented driver, as so many other forum members have done what you have and better. The crapola you are whining about the slow time slips of 392 Challengers are the 6-speed versions. Yeah, everyone who reads these forums before they post all know of the struggle to get a 12 second time slip on a M6 392 Challenger.
I for one have a M6 392, and as an experienced drag racer for over 25 years, my best run in +2000DA was 13.19. A friend who is a professional drag racer was able to get it down to 13.09 in my car. For me, it took a tune, better tires and a Hopnot kit to get it down to 12.75. The same night I accomplished that, there was a guy with a almost brand new Challenger 392 A5 running 12.58. It is what is is, the automatic cars run far quicker at the track then the manuals. Again, you are new here but you need to learn the difference as it is huge. Your times are nothing but average, PERIOD! Go back and start reading the other posts in this forum and learn things like the effects of DA and M6 vs A5 and then maybe your posts will be taken more seriously, and your criticism of others mainly the M6 owners stuck in the 13's will be something you will know you were way off base about.
In one of his post he said he test drove a M6 and then an A5 and was impressed with the Auto....so he has an A5.
As a newbie he will not make friends with a puffed up chest like that. He could not duplicate your time in your M6 I would guarantee that.
As for you newbie.....I looked at the DA based on your time slip and it calculated to -76. That is incredibly good. When I ran 12.33 the DA was 686. My question to you newbie with the puffed out chest....If you are as good a driver as you proclaim to be......Why did you only run 12.59??? with that DA you should have been faster than my 12.33.
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2011 SRT8 IE #996 White w/Blue Stripes. 11.87@ 113.79 with a 1.59 60' . Zoomers Catback, Speedlogix fender well CAI, Paramount 3000 Stall Converter, B&G 93 octane ECU, M&H Drag Radials.
Hell in good air I ran 12:46 bone stock leaving all my nannies on, not a whole lot of skill other than holding rpms at 1000 and smashing the gas pedal on green then steering the car down the track.
Hell in good air I ran 12:46 bone stock leaving all my nannies on, not a whole lot of skill other than holding rpms at 1000 and smashing the gas pedal on green then steering the car down the track.
You motor heads all the same. I thought this post was about a tuned car getting 13's and should be getting lower. I never puffed my chest out And as a matter of fact called you guys out and knew some one would think I'm bragging. Sure as heck your puffing your chest bragging how long you have raced.
The fact is you all have a car right out a dealership with little bolt on trinkets here and there. I have no experience as I stated and I only drag raced 2 times. Instead of PMSing teach the new guy. I can bring some cranberry juice next post? It seems your manual is slower.,why you bought a slower car to drag race I have no idea? Did someone tell you driving stick is more manly? I did get that a lot at the track. Funny how they were behind me too. Just watched Pinks and a guy just lost $10,000 because he missed 3rd. A5, A6 who even cares what that means as long as you know how to use it. Did Cole Trickle know anything about cars?
You motor heads all the same. I thought this post was about a tuned car getting 13's and should be getting lower. I never puffed my chest out And as a matter of fact called you guys out and knew some one would think I'm bragging. Sure as heck your puffing your chest bragging how long you have raced.
The fact is you all have a car right out a dealership with little bolt on trinkets here and there. I have no experience as I stated and I only drag raced 2 times. Instead of PMSing teach the new guy. I can bring some cranberry juice next post? It seems your manual is slower.,why you bought a slower car to drag race I have no idea? Did someone tell you driving stick is more manly? I did get that a lot at the track. Funny how they were behind me too. Just watched Pinks and a guy just lost $10,000 because he missed 3rd. A5, A6 who even cares what that means as long as you know how to use it. Did Cole Trickle know anything about cars?
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