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#1 (permalink) Old 01-20-2014, 03:44 PM
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Collapsed lifters on 2014???

I started the thread Hemi Tick back in 2012 that chronicled my issues with my 2013 Challenger R/T starting with a very loud tick that resulted in a head swap. Then after several months passed, I needed reverse rebuilt in the 6 speed. At 14,000 or so miles and approximately 10 months into ownership, the tick started again and the dealer deemed it necessary to change the short block. At this point my wife refused to drive her baby anymore. I understand this is a Challenger site but we are now the owners of a 2014 Charger R/T.

All that being said, my wife cranked her 3 month old baby yesterday afternoon and the loud obnoxious ticking noise started again for about 3 seconds and quit. The car sat for approximately 18-20 hours since the last time we drove it but it sounded as if the lifters leaked down while sitting there. I spoke to an acquaintance at my local dealership and he said the shop foreman said it was a design flaw. I have never had a car with hydrologic lifter leak down in a day. Please let me know if others out there are having this problem or am I just this unlucky.

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Any chance it's a bad oil filter and the anti drain back seal leaked? I'd try a new filter and see if it happens again.

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we have seen some lifter issues, not on a 14 but certainlty on 11 and 12's
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First thing I would do is scrap the 20 weight oil and go to a 30 (or perhaps 0W40 if you live in a warm climate). Seriously...on these newer engines I've seen horrible valvetrain noise go away with better oil. Would be something cheap to try first. Unfortunately, my dad wasted $1,500 before he figured that out.

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First thing I would do is scrap the 20 weight oil and go to a 30 (or perhaps 0W40 if you live in a warm climate). Seriously...on these newer engines I've seen horrible valvetrain noise go away with better oil. Would be something cheap to try first. Unfortunately, my dad wasted $1,500 before he figured that out.
Xw30 or Xw40 on a 5.7L with MDS is a sure fire way to cause problems and set codes.

OP would be better off trying Mobil 1 5w20, that seems to help a number of folks with the tick. I've run Mobil 1 5w20 since about 1,200 miles and have no tick.

There's also nothing wrong with Xw20 oil and there's nothing that says a thicker oil is a better oil. These engines were engineered for the specific oil flow properties provided by the Xw20 oil. The 6.4L, while based on the 5.7L, does not share the same lubrication parts. Different oil pump, different lifters, different MDS solenoid, etc.

Xw20 has been around for long enough to prove itself, Xw30 had the same reception when it became the norm, everyone was used to Xw40 and thought Xw30 was too thin and would cause damage and short engine life.

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I'm gonna wait and see what happens. It only did it once so far so maybe it won't happen again. I hope I don't go through the same thing like my Challenger.
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@Luke..

sometime when I start my car with the remote starter I get almost a sound like slapping two 2x4's together the second it fires up and the lifter(s) are tapping loudly and if left running it will quieten down after 20-30 seconds. if I cut it off immediately and restart it no lifter tap or anything. happens maybe 1 in 10 times I start it, sound goofy or does it sound like it makes sense? 2075 miles, original oil.. year old April 19th of this year.

I was hoping after I got to 3K miles and changed the oil to Mobil 1 that would all subside, she runs fine BTW.

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My challenger did basically the same thing. It is now sitting behind the dealership waiting on its 2nd engine.
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Xw30 or Xw40 on a 5.7L with MDS is a sure fire way to cause problems and set codes.

OP would be better off trying Mobil 1 5w20, that seems to help a number of folks with the tick. I've run Mobil 1 5w20 since about 1,200 miles and have no tick.

There's also nothing wrong with Xw20 oil and there's nothing that says a thicker oil is a better oil. These engines were engineered for the specific oil flow properties provided by the Xw20 oil. The 6.4L, while based on the 5.7L, does not share the same lubrication parts. Different oil pump, different lifters, different MDS solenoid, etc.

Xw20 has been around for long enough to prove itself, Xw30 had the same reception when it became the norm, everyone was used to Xw40 and thought Xw30 was too thin and would cause damage and short engine life.

This is one of those things we'll have to just agree to disagree on. Even Chrysler has noticed that 5W20 isn't the perfect oil and they've started adding "5W30 is acceptable" to the owner's manuals again now. Mechanics will tell you (and have told me already) that there is a lot of success with heavier oils in these engines. Chrysler, Ford, GM are using watery oil for CAFE numbers...not for longevity or the perfect properties.

If the OP have valvetrain noise, it's my experience that he should try better oil first because it's often times a cheap way to solve the problems. If he's got serious top-end trouble then obviously it won't cure it.
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You would think,,, there would be NO noise on a new car using the oil it came with. Mine new didnt tick or rattle and at 40,000
Rebuilt into a stroker motor and it still dont tick or rattle ?????? 12.5 X 40 wt oil
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