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Old 12-20-2012, 11:27 AM
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Was on the road yesterday and getting onto a highway (2 lane on ramp) a mustang GT 5.0 pulls next to me. It was on! The road straightens out and he nails it. I punched it and........



THE CAR BOGGED!

Needless to say the mustang left me like I was a yugo! I tried to catch up but because I lost at least 2-3 seconds due to the bog I would have had to wait until 100+ to catch him and traffic was not light enough for that burst of speed.

Saddest part of this story is Dodge officially advised me (via their attorneys) during arbitration that the so called bogging I experience is normal operation of the car coming out of MDS even though when the bog condition happens the car is not in MDS, EVER! When the car bogs, it is like the engine shuts off and you actually lurch forward because of the loss of forward momentum. Oh, you only have forward momentum when you are accelerating on an upward incline on ramp and the 392's are NEVER in MDS during any type of acceleration such as that.

I am sure a pony owner is loving the fact he kicked a 392 azz yesterday.

Nice kill Mustang GT owner.


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Old 12-20-2012, 11:50 AM
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Somebody will probably tell you that you shouldn't street race and it won't be me... Sorry about your ongoing saga, man; I've always *****ed about the electronics myself, but they're unfortunately here to stay so hello, bugs. Enough digression... I find the following statement interesting.
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Saddest part of this story is Dodge officially advised me (via their attorneys) during arbitration that the so called bogging I experience is normal operation of the car coming out of MDS[...]
First official acknowledgement I spot that MDS causes lag (most of us have already noticed) and that Dodge is OK with it.

Quick question, though: why don't you use AutoStick when you want performance, like when, um, racing?
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Sounds like you need a tuner....my 6.1 is always ready to roll after the intune was installed...prior to the tune it bogged
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Somebody will probably tell you that you shouldn't street race and it won't be me... Sorry about your ongoing saga, man; I've always *****ed about the electronics myself, but they're unfortunately here to stay so hello, bugs. Enough digression... I find the following statement interesting.First official acknowledgement I spot that MDS causes lag (most of us have already noticed) and that Dodge is OK with it.

Quick question, though: why don't you use AutoStick when you want performance, like when, um, racing?


I say official because their hired gun made that statement to the arbitrator so... it is as official as it can get in my book.

As far as using autostick? Don't know but one should feel the car would not bog when you give it gas..
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Sounds like you need a tuner....my 6.1 is always ready to roll after the intune was installed...prior to the tune it bogged

Yeah can't justify a tuner for $$$ to get rid of the bog. More looking to buy a car that runs good without a stupid bogging condition.
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I question the logic here, buy a 50K car and not spend 500 to make it perform better?

There is much more to the tune than better throttle response.......
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I'm not disputing 'official'; it's as official as it gets in my book. I'm just a rabid anti-MDS owner so I appreciated reading the statement since it legitimized my own gripes.

I otherwise I agree with Go Goody on the tune, especially to bypass MDS. sitedrifter, I understand that you're making a point here, but I'm personally more pragmatic: I don't expect perfection from Dodge, and I think that they may be in over their heads with the MDS and all the electronics. So I look for ways around the known deficiencies instead of putting myself in dangerous or humiliating situations, like the guys who insist on driving the car with MDS on until the timing chain gives up the ghost... just because. I understand where you're coming from (I read about your problems) - I'd just do things differently. As soon as things get 'serious' my hand is on the shifter, but maybe it's because I used to drive stick.
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I question the logic here, buy a 50K car and not spend 500 to make it perform better?

There is much more to the tune than better throttle response.......

You tell me how and why aftermarket programmers can eliminate the bog issue but Dodge feels it is OK and does nothing about it even though it is a severe driving hazard?

In hind sight, my thinking was skewed 1.5 years ago or even for the first few months of ownership when I tried to get Dodge to fix the issues.

Coming off my SRT10 Ram which performed flawlessly for 6.5 years (and would spank any tuned NA 6.1 on the road,) I had nothing but grandeur thoughts about the 392 being a wicked car. But, with all the issues my car had/has, it's proven I was wrong.
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