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You tell me how and why aftermarket programmers can eliminate the bog issue but Dodge feels it is OK and does nothing about it even though it is a severe driving hazard?
Aftermarket vendors make money off the manufacturers' shortcomings, while the manufacturers would spend money fixing issues and would expose themselves to liability and embarrassment by acknowledging them. They'd rather fight a few people in court than fix their products. Old story.
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I'm not disputing 'official'; it's as official as it gets in my book. I'm just a rabid anti-MDS owner so I appreciated reading the statement since it legitimized my own gripes.

I otherwise I agree with Go Goody on the tune, especially to bypass MDS. sitedrifter, I understand that you're making a point here, but I'm personally more pragmatic: I don't expect perfection from Dodge, and I think that they may be in over their heads with the MDS and all the electronics. So I look for ways around the known deficiencies instead of putting myself in dangerous or humiliating situations, like the guys who insist on driving the car with MDS on until the timing chain gives up the ghost... just because. I understand where you're coming from (I read about your problems) - I'd just do things differently. As soon as things get 'serious' my hand is on the shifter, but maybe it's because I used to drive stick.

I am fine with a tuner but for me, not until the warranty is up would I think of doing it.
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Aftermarket vendors make money off the manufacturers' shortcomings, while the manufacturers would spend money fixing issues and would expose themselves to liability and embarrassment by acknowledging them. They'd rather fight a few people in court than fix their products. Old story.
I don't buy that in the case of the throttle response issue. The time it took diablo to get a tune was probably 99.9 percent cracking the code. You can't tell me Dodge can't fix that issue in a nano second. I guess it is more like they won't cause it probably lowers MPG by .0001 percent and that adds up with the many thousands of cars they sell.

The price of a 392 is a premium over any other American brand yet the problems are evident of a cheap car.
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trust me, if I do.. autostick!
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I am fine with a tuner but for me, not until the warranty is up would I think of doing it.
That's a good point, especially since you're entangled in litigation right now.
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Sounds like you need a tuner....my 6.1 is always ready to roll after the intune was installed...prior to the tune it bogged
You would never experience the bog from MDS because the 6.1 doesn't have it. The tuner does shut it off or using auto stick does as well.

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The price of a 392 is a premium over any other American brand yet the problems are evident of a cheap car.
You're probably right on that. As I said I have low expectations - it's one of the secrets of happiness.
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