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Originally Posted by STINGRAY View Post
Are the SXT Challengers having this same problem? Doesn't seem to be as those come with automatic trans but without the MDS. Perhaps if one wants a relibable Challenger with less worries they should look into the SXT model if you can tolerate a auto trans.

That's if the V6 Penstar engine doesn't have any issues?
I think it did have a head issue on the very first of them they produced. Happened around 20k miles. My 2011 was made in June 2011 so I think it was fixed before then. I'm at 15k miles now though so I'll have to wait and see. The problem does not cause catastrophic damage though so I'm not worried about it


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Are the SXT Challengers having this same problem? Doesn't seem to be as those come with automatic trans but without the MDS. Perhaps if one wants a relibable Challenger with less worries they should look into the SXT model if you can tolerate a auto trans.

That's if the V6 Penstar engine doesn't have any issues?
You have asked this question before in this thread at least once and it was answered. The Pentastar is a TOTALLY different design.
Please keep your posts in this thread within the subject of timing chain failures.


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Looking at the LIST again, how many people tracking this thread have more than 60K on their car? I look for the list to expand quickly, and be rather large as soon as a majority get in the 40-60K mile range. I bet most of us on here are still in the 10-20K range. I'm in the 5K range for my 11' SRT. So...another year or two...then things will get roudy here.
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Looking at the LIST again, how many people tracking this thread have more than 60K on their car? I look for the list to expand quickly, and be rather large as soon as a majority get in the 40-60K mile range. I bet most of us on here are still in the 10-20K range. I'm in the 5K range for my 11' SRT. So...another year or two...then things will get roudy here.
That's what I'm thinking. I have 15,000 on my '11 R/T auto. I'm running a Trinity now and I plan to get the timing components looked at to see if there's any damage since I'm not the original owner.
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I'm at just a tick below 30k mi in my 09 RT auto.

I also wanted to ask if that oil control solenoid screen is easy to get to for inspection or do you have to start tearing down the front of the engine to get to it?
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All this tearing apart motors to inspect possible damage is crazy. Chrysler needs to step up and inform owners what is causing this failure by now. Many theories have been discussed but nothing is definitive. Pulling apart a motor to inspect early damage is asking for more trouble in my opinion.


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REAL INFO, and a REAL QUESTION.

Originally Posted by randycat99 View Post
I'm at just a tick below 30k mi in my 09 RT auto.

I also wanted to ask if that oil control solenoid screen is easy to get to for inspection or do you have to start tearing down the front of the engine to get to it?
Did I miss someone elses comments on the solenoid oil screen?
First to answer your question, the solenoid is right under the intake mainifold in the front part of the lifter valley. Pull the manifold and I "THINK" it will be right there. I saw it when my engine was being reassembled.
Now what I want to know is does oil pressure have anything to do with keeping the chain tight??? The mechanic that worked on my told me the day it broke that he figured that it had lost oil pressure, and that was without even turning a wrench! After he had the engine completely apart he said that the screen had broken off the solenoid, he even showed it to me, and said that the screen went into the pressure port that I thought he said held the chain tight??? HOWEVER people on here, and another place I asked say "NO", "Oil pressure has nothing to do with keeping the chain tight!". WHO REALLY KNOWS???? A guy on ask.com or whatever sent me a parts breakdown of the chain tensioner and said there was nothing on there for oil pressure, but when I read the parts breakdown for it, one piece that the spring rode in was called the "Plunger"? I've never had one of these things apart myself, so I can't say for sure, but "plunger" in my limited technical vocabulary was always ment to mean something that was forced by something? Could this be the part the oil pushes on? I REALLY THINK that if oil does have something to do with chain tension, this could be a significate factor in failures! I'm not ruling out harmonics or resonace either, I've flown lots of planes in my career that are placarded to now run the engine at a certain RPM for an longer than a specified amount of time!
Without going back to look at he first page again, and I apologize for that, I THINK my car had the lowest miles on it when this failure occured? I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT, my car has spent AT LEAST 80% of it's life between 70 and 80 MPH, and that's when it seems most, or should I say a MAJORITY of failures occur.
Another thing I have noticed about my car since I've gotten it back is that it now spends MUCH MORE TIME IN MDS! I haven't had a chance to talk to the tech yet to see if it was reprogrammed during the repair or not yet, but I can tell you for sure now that the only time it isn't in MDS, is if I'm actually accelerating at a reasonable rate, or if it's just idling at start, or at a light.
I wise we could get more people on this link discussing REAL FAILURES and REAL EXPERIENCES, that we have just tossing back and forth opinions, because we all know about them!
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At this point why wouldn't you just use Autostick and forget about MDS?

I would think after a failure you wouldn't want to go thru it again since there are still so many questions and variables about the root cause for the timing chain breaking..

However to each his own..

My car (2013) has literally not seen 1 second of MDS as I go to Autostick as soon as its started, and will never use "D" mode..

Sound advice to all who care to follow it..
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At this point why wouldn't you just use Autostick and forget about MDS?

I would think after a failure you wouldn't want to go thru it again since there are still so many questions and variables about the root cause for the timing chain breaking..

However to each his own..

My car (2013) has literally not seen 1 second of MDS as I go to Autostick as soon as its started, and will never use "D" mode..

Sound advice to all who care to follow it..
I just turned off the MDS with a Trinity. Now the car drives the way it should.
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