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Old 07-13-2012, 06:05 PM
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What are you talking about. MDS is not part of an emissions package. There is no legal issue of disabling it. Dealers won't do it because they can't. Unless you can reprogram the PCM with a VIN from a 6 speed.
I'm betting since disabling would affect mileage and so total emissions, it would be a no no for a dealer or any service shop to permanently disable it. Too bad or I'd be in the market for an R/T auto now instead of either another manual or a SXT.
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Anything that affect emissions and also fuel economy would be against Chrysler and federal government regulations

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I remember, when they updated the PCM of my Magnum, the dealer had to put a sticker under the hood documenting the PCM update and it said something that it complied with emission regulations.
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I'm betting since disabling would affect mileage and so total emissions, it would be a no no for a dealer or any service shop to permanently disable it. Too bad or I'd be in the market for an R/T auto now instead of either another manual or a SXT.

Dont want to steer away from the timing chain thread , but I have my MDS disabled with my Predator on my 09 R/T and it is getting the same mileage as without. Maybe the MDS would help on a long roadtrip but for the most part has not made a difference on my car. It actually feels better running full time on all 8 cylinders. Surprises me.
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Is everyone brain dead? If you don't want to run MDS just use autostick 100% of the time.Nothing illegal about that.Does require thinking about how you drive.I guess the thinking part is too difficult for some.
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Originally Posted by mjb4450 View Post
I'm betting since disabling would affect mileage and so total emissions, it would be a no no for a dealer or any service shop to permanently disable it. Too bad or I'd be in the market for an R/T auto now instead of either another manual or a SXT.
When running a smog test, MDS is not enabled, and the emission requriments would be the same as a non MDS Challeneger.

Yes, better mileage obvisously would lower emission output. My MDS is disabled through the Predator, and I'm not breaking any law.
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And all along I thought the MDS was to help them meet CAFE mileage requirements!
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I finally got my car back....everything seems to be fine....the list of replacement parts was incredible! Probably could have saved money just replacing engine....engine seems to run smoother than before...and actually sounds better, probably just my imagination sense my loaner car was a Toyota Yaris! Haven't had car in D yet, been driving in autostick.....I'm scared!

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I wish you well.

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If Dodge was to replace these blown engines with "crate engines" they would:
1)Save a bundle of labor pay out to dealerships.
2) Be SURE that the engine was done 100% correct the FIRST time with NO comebacks. 3)Put the customer behind the wheel in a fraction of the time.
4)Have a 99% better chance at avoiding further trouble with that car.
5)Maybe make a loyal customer for life!
6)Be able to rebuild the engine at the factory to make it 100%, then sell as seasoned crate engine w/full wnty at a reduced cost from green engine.
7)Determine EXACTLY how these engines are grenading plus any other concerns that can be revised on the production line.
8)One-up the competition & get GREAT PRESS to exploit to the nth degree!
9)Maybe pull in some Ford & GM customers to the Dodge family.
10)Maybe either offer at extra charge, or just include, better heads, more cam, a hotter ECU, better TB or intake, ANYTHING they can address midstream to help put another carlength on the competition. Maybe the 2013 engine? What an ingenious coup THAT would be!

Each of the pro points above, are, right now under current policy, NEGATIVE POINTS that HURT Dodge sales, FOR SURE!

What happened to the GREAT heritage of Dodge? They ARE blowing it! Once it goes, it's awfully hard to get back! Losing Petty & Penske in NASCAR is a BIG MISTAKE. Bean counters be DAMNED!

How can they be SO ignorant? Bean counters outrank QC & marketing?

How can we get Dodge to see the reality of this situation RE: how they CAN turn a negative into a GREAT positive?
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