at this point, with 18 out 26,000 cars - which when calculated indicates a better chance of getting hit by lightening twice in a day, or winning a lottery - the worry is worse than the reality. However, once 50% of the cars are over 40,000 miles - you'll have a better estimate whether there is a genuine problem or no. 3% is still exceptionally low - but this likelihood is fractional of 3%. 3% of 26,000 is: 780 cars. so, we are 762 short of that 3% threshold. Contemplate the likelihood that it will happen to you.
at this point, with 18 out 26,000 cars - which when calculated indicates a better chance of getting hit by lightening twice in a day, or winning a lottery - the worry is worse than the reality. However, once 50% of the cars are over 40,000 miles - you'll have a better estimate whether there is a genuine problem or no. 3% is still exceptionally low - but this likelihood is fractional of 3%. 3% of 26,000 is: 780 cars. so, we are 762 short of that 3% threshold. Contemplate the likelihood that it will happen to you.
Again, it's not 18 of 26,000. It would be if every 2009/2010 R/T with auto trans had about 30k miles or more and every owner even knew of the existence of Challenger Talk, and was required to report to CT any timing chain problems assuming that all Challenger owners know the difference between a timing chain and a valve stem. I work with one who doesn't and if her auto R/T ends up in the shop all she will care about is that it is fixed not what failed. We (CT) are but a tiny portion of Challenger owners.
Again, it's not 18 of 26,000. It would be if every 2009/2010 R/T with auto trans had about 30k miles or more and every owner even knew of the existence of Challenger Talk, and was required to report to CT any timing chain problems assuming that all Challenger owners know the difference between a timing chain and a valve stem. I work with one who doesn't and if her auto R/T ends up in the shop all she will care about is that it is fixed not what failed. We (CT) are but a tiny portion of Challenger owners.
That is exactly right. Just looking at the list on the first post of this thread you can see the rate of failure is increasing exponentially as time goes on and the cars begin getting up there in mileage. It is now at a rate of two reported cases per month, and increasing -- and, again, that is just on this forum. Not every owner comes here to apprise us of his or her timing chain failure. I think it is reasonable to assume that the real world number would easily be 100 times those reported here.
However you slice the baloney, it is still - as stated, wait until most cars are about 5 years old - then you'll actually have decent PROOF and FACTS that a problem does exist. AT this point, it is almost 100% conjecture.
I'm still reading hee that Luke is still defending Dodge on every topic here. Regardless if its 1%, 2% or 10% failure ratio, My dealership does not report the engine failures to carfax. (I know that it's there option to do so) but how can you get a good percentage when these failures aren't being reported correctly??? I have proof they don't, go back to post on "Second engine failure and read the carfax. Nothing about two new motors being replaced.....
I did get a lemon law attorney and filed a motion with the court. Chrysler figured out a way to go around the Federal Law and won. Once my attorney showed me my options Chrysler sent him a letter and offered $7000.00 for good faith money plus his cost to settle it. Even thou they proved we couldn't win they said they wanted to make it right. (GOOD FAITH MONEY OR HUSH MONEY?) take it for what its worth.
So I accepted the $7000.00 check kept my car and the lifetime warranty remains in effect. I have 15,000 miles on my second new motor and all is good so far. The tech did tell me the I had one of the new redesigned tensioners.. So far so good...........
Bub
Nice, so you got a new engine? That's what I am looking for. I have an uncle who is a lawyer and he deals with automobile claims. Perfect! How long was the process to get a new engine? Did they try and replace parts first and then they just gave up and gave you a new engine? Or did you fight to get a new engine? Thanks for any info (maybe you have a link that answers all my questions already).
Right now, the dealer is waiting on valves that are on back order and anticipating them to be in by the end of this month
I still believe the problem is the MDS,there is a distinct vibration when it activates,with an aftermarket exhaust it is flat irritating. I turned mine off with the Predator, still getting better mpg with the MPG tune.
__________________ In the order I installed them K&N drop-in,suitcase replaced with two magnaflow double offset 2.5" in and out, Jet 180* thermostat. Predator 93cai tune, clean air tube, resonator delete , Fastman ported throttle body..Dyno 8-17 ,102.18* F,, 334 rwhp. torque 359 ft.lbs.A/F 12.6 , SRT8 suspension up grade, Hood struts Best 1/8th mile 2.01 60 ft.,8.49@83.78, DA 88 Only 1/4 mile 2.11 60 ft.1/8th 8.71@82.77 1/4mi.13.41@ 105.49
I have 15,000 miles on my second new motor and all is good so far. The tech did tell me the I had one of the new redesigned tensioners.. So far so good...........
Bub
Is there a new part number for this?
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Every day I follow this thread and I get more and more nauseous.
Right now, I have a $30K Hemi Orange paperweight sitting in my garage because I genuinely fear that I will be the first six-speed guy with a busted timing chain and subsequently, a junkyard engine. I don't want a repaired blown engine. I want a brand new piece of junk engine.
I wish the aftermarket would promptly come out with a super-duper, double-roller, kick-ass timing chain so I could lay under my brand new car, get all greasy, and install a timing chain that might actually last until I can enjoy this car in retirement.
I have a very, very strong urge to sell this POS before the engine blows up and breaks my heart.
Problem is, I have an even BIGGER problem actually believing that the $30K Hemi Orange paperweight in my garage actually IS a POS.
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