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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

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I'm waiting for a convertible...Any thoughts on that? It's available on the Mustang! If we are in a pony car war, Dodge has to compete. Too bad they will never resurrect the Barracuda. I had a 74 Barracuda in the late 70's and miss that car!
Easy, give them a chance. When the Mustang was released, the rag top came later. I would venture a guess, that a vert will be introduced later to stoke the sales coals, when needed.

Right now, they are trying to get the hard tops produced for those of us that have them on order.
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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

I envy you guys...you will have some cool rides! I haven't seen one on the road yet, but I live in Wisconsin.
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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

Which pricing calculator are y'all using? I am comming up with three very different numbers using the carprices.com, edmunds.com and dodge.com websites. Dealers are now starting to sell cars at a certain dollar amount or percentage over invoice I want to make sure I have the best numbers possible.
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Unhappy Dream car over again. Just like 70's?????

Putting the Dream Car Out to Pasture

The New York Times

By MIREYA NAVARRO
Published: July 27, 2008
JOHN FORSYTHE remembers the moment he knew the thrill was gone. It was six months ago, when a fill-up of his Toyota 4Runner topped $75, exceeding the pump’s limit. He had to swipe his credit card twice.

Mr. Forsythe had been deeply in love. He had custom-ordered the leather seats and the sound system for his S.U.V. and had waited three months for it in 2005, while living in San Antonio.

“This is the car that I always wanted to have,” said Mr. Forsythe, 31, a software engineer. “It was the car to have when you had reached a certain point in your life, when you were successful.”

But Mr. Forsythe, who now lives in San Francisco, said he could not justify $1,000 a month for gas, insurance and a car payment. The vehicle that had been a source of pleasure now feels like a ball and chain. So, this month, his heart heavy with memories of ski weekends in Tahoe and other good times, Mr. Forsythe sold his dream car. “The love affair is over,” he said. “I’m ready to let it go.”

Americans’ longtime romance with the automobile is being severely tested, and in some cases dashed entirely, now that every trip gives rise to worries about how much a fill-up costs, guilt over how much damage the exhaust is contributing to the destruction of the planet, and self-consciousness about the image a full-size behemoth conveys today about its driver.

If an S.U.V. not long ago exuded affluence, toughness and the ability to mow down lesser vehicles in the way, the message it may send now is more humble: I can’t afford a second car. I can’t get out of my lease. I can’t get rid of this because no one wants to buy it.

News of wrenching dislocations in the car industry arrive daily: automobile sales are at a 10-year low. Ford is converting factories from making high-profit trucks to subcompacts like the unlovely Fiesta. General Motors is trying to convince investors that it is not at the precipice of bankruptcy.

Beyond the bad economic news may lurk a less remarked shift in Americans’ psyches: a change in the role the automobile occupies in people’s emotional lives and self-image. For decades, automakers pitched cars as sex symbols, as extensions of drivers’ freedom or affluence or eye for beauty. Even if that pitch is inverted — if hybrids or minicars become the most desirable wheels, bespeaking a driver’s thriftiness or environmental sensitivity — is it really possible to be passionate about a compromise?

Can you love your Prius the way you once gave your heart to a 4Runner or a luxury sedan?

Increasingly, for many, the question is moot.

“I’m willing to not love it,” said Justin McCarthy, 43, a public relations executive from Long Beach, Calif., who is considering replacing his 10-year-old Volvo with a hybrid.

Mr. McCarthy said he bought his Volvo for aesthetics and comfort. It was good for impressing and pampering clients and roomy for his growing family.

But as he mulls a possible new purchase, he is keeping his emotions in check. “Before it was, Is it a cool car?” he said. “Now it’s, Is it going to be efficient and reliable transportation? Maybe it’s also a function of age, but it doesn’t have to fulfill anything in me, it just needs to be what it is: a mode of transportation.”

Such attitudes are a far cry from the way Americans have approached their car buying in the past, researchers say. Buyers have put a high value on reliability, durability and fuel efficiency, of course, but just as important have been looks and luxury.

“What are the neighbors going to think when they see the car? Is it going to impress them?” said Geoff Wardle, director of advanced mobility research at the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, Calif., which is known for its auto design program. “When it comes to buying a car, people take leave of their senses.”

For many drivers, their cars are an extension of themselves, displayed as fashion or an accessory.

“You wear your car like you wear a Ralph Lauren suit,” said Clotaire Rapaille, an anthropologist and psychiatrist known as the car shrink, whose company, Archetype Discoveries Worldwide, studies consumer preferences.

But today some of these fashion statements — say, a Hummer — would land on the worst-dressed list.

Going green is climbing on the list of criteria for many consumers. Mary Conner, 52, vice president for merchandising for Gearys Beverly Hills, a jewelry and luxury gift store, has driven BMW convertibles for over 20 years. “I love the car,” she said. “It’s absolutely gorgeous.”

But last month Ms. Conner put her BMW 330Ci convertible up for sale. She decided to hold on to the car she had originally bought for her two sons: a Mini Cooper, which gets twice the mileage per gallon.

The car’s smaller carbon footprint, not the price of gas, was Ms. Conner’s prime motivator. Even in wealthy Beverly Hills, she said, large cars seem outnumbered these days by Minis, Smart cars, Priuses and even Vespa scooters. At Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills, the wait for the tiny Smart is about a year.

“There’s a certain status that comes with a Jag or a BMW, but you really have to leave that at the door, the ego part,” Ms. Conner said. “My heart is going forward in a different way. I don’t need a luxury car anymore.”

But when asked how she felt about her Mini, Ms. Conner responded with all the enthusiasm of someone who settled. “I like it,” she said flatly.

In Gloversville, N.Y., another longtime BMW owner, Sam Hoye, switched to a Prius for his everyday car in September (he also owns a motorcycle and a truck for winter) for political reasons.

“I’m just trying to use less foreign oil,” said Mr. Hoye, 44, a finance company owner. “All that money is going out of the country, not to mention the price of gas. If everybody drove one it’d make a huge difference.”

One nice surprise, he said: clients seem more receptive to him when he shows up in a hybrid than when he did in a luxury car.

Michael A. Hammer, 52, a businessman and car collector in Beverly Hills, said his convertible Smart allows him to gauge public sentiment firsthand. Mr. Hammer, who owns more than 20 vintage and contemporary cars, said he gets the same reaction in the Smart as when he drives one of his 1950s models.

“People wave and give you the thumbs-up,” he said.

But even as they compromise on size, some drivers are still spending lavishly on looks. Vinnie Mandzak, a brand manager at Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills, said customers are spending as much on customizing cars with metallic candy colors, leather interiors and “goofy wheels” as on the car itself. And at the higher income levels, he noted, no one is getting rid of their bigger cars.

Not all automobile experts think a sea change has taken place. They maintain that Americans will always prefer big and showy automobiles if they can afford them. “What doesn’t change is the American psychology,” Dr. Rapaille said. “When do you have enough money? Never. When is your car big enough? Never. As soon as I have the money, I’m going to get a bigger car.”

Other experts disagree, though, saying that global warming and high oil prices are not going to fade as issues driving Americans’ purchasing choices.

“The trick now for the car companies is to come up with cars that won’t make people feel horrible about downsizing,” said Mr. Wardle of the Art Center College of Design.

The success of Zipcar, the car-sharing company that allows drivers to rent a vehicle locally by the hour, indicates that many drivers have come to view an automobile as an interchangeable commodity, like a refrigerator. Zipcar, which is popular on college campuses and in densely populated cities like New York, Boston and San Francisco, has 200,000 members in 26 states and is adding about 10,000 customers a month, it says.

Corinna Psomadakis, 22, an office manager for a Web site in San Francisco, is one. There was a time not long ago when young people like Ms. Psomadakis, who moved from Chicago after graduating from college a year ago, would have viewed buying their own car as a rite of passage. “It seemed like kind of a milestone that I’d be in a place where I could buy a car,” she said.

But now she makes do by taking public transportation or cabs and renting a Zipcar a few times a month. She said she does not see herself as ever owning a car. Concern for the environment is a big factor.

“I used to leave notes on Hummers, how inconsiderate it was for the rest of us,” she said.

Now, she said, “I do my part by not driving a car.”


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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

this is a sad sad world...people now consider driving a big car or big engine cars or even any car at all as being "inconsiderate" and her doing her part by not driving a car...as quoted by the lady in that article...ok that's all well and dandy but what if you live in a place that doesn't provide you with an alternative transportation. I've just recently been in SF while on R&R and I have to tell you, I could not live in that place. I see why you would want those little things to get around but there are also the buses. Where I live we don't have anything like that nor do we have a public transportation that even comes close to where I live so I'm stuck with driving (which is a pleasure to me anyway) and if I am not contributing to the better environment then I'm sorry but I just have no other alternative. It's just funny to me that she would leave a note on someone's car telling them how inconsiderate they are is just not right IMHO. So I just laugh at people like that. Ok well just wanted to throw that out there...
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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

Its very easy for people who live in San Francisco to preach to the rest of the country. If you live and work in the city, they have exceptional public transportation. Of course, the amenities of San Francisco come at a price - some of the most expensive if not the most expensive housing in the nation along with taxes that are nothing short of oppressive.

If people consider my driving a 425 HP Challenger "inconsiderate",,, my response is simple,,, it is a matter of choice. I chose to buy a home with a 14 mile round trip to the office and my utility bills are about 33% lower since my 2400 square foot home is 1200 square feet smaller because I chose not to drive 50-70 miles round trip to work.

Yes, at $4.00 per gallon, a 15 MPG car costs 26.67 cents per mile vs a 35 MPG car costing 11.43 cents per mile. However, because of my 14 mile round trip commute, a 15 MPG car consumes 1 gallon of gas day vs a 35 MPG car burning 1.43 to 2 gallons per day on their 50-70 mile per day commute.

It is easy for the "green" people to preach to others, but people should look in the mirror first and determine how "green" they really are.
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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

Guess what it all boils down to is making the choices that suit you and not worrying about what other people think or do...for instance, I would never ever spend $350 for a designer handbag. But I'll happily spend more than that to drive to a car show two hours away and dig a $25 piece of window trim out of the mud for my '72 Dart Swinger.

I can respect their excitement about finding a designer bag on sale and they (at least in front of me) refrain from shaking their head at how I spend my money.

And I kind of suspect that just like some women purchase designer bags because the celebrities do, some people buy green cars for the same reason.
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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

I am sure with some hypermiling techniques you could squeeze more than 20mpg out of your SRT8. That is a reasonable gas mileage for a performance car. You make a good point Tx65 about living close to work. I live in NYC and work in Jersey (about an 18 mile drive) so I do a short reverse commute - versus so people who drive from 40+ miles away to the west. I also drive the car to work only 3-4 days a week and take public transport in the city otherwise, thus I don't use that much gas. I think if you DO chose to live far, far away from work, it is a good decision to buy a very fuel- effecient commuter and keep the Challenger for fun on the weekends
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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

lol finally saw one on the road around here in sw washington had to take my son into town so I headed to the dodge dealer sure enuf one on the showroom floor , finally up close and personal. when I picked my son up I took him to see it and there ended up being two srt 8 orange hemis there. One of em had 27,000 destination charge mark up in the window which put its sticker at a whoppin 76k and change. One of the lot guys was cleaning on of em and just put it the service line . Found out one was for sale and the other had had a down payment on it and the guy backed out of the deal and lost his money. So the other is for sale. Didnt bother to talk to a sales idiot especially with a 26k destination charge. Waiting on the 2010 model year rumour/convertible, loved the car only one thing didnt strike me right was the roof seam.
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Re: 2009 Dodge Challenger Pricing!

Originally Posted by JustACelt View Post
loved the car only one thing didnt strike me right was the roof seam.
That roof seam is prevelant on most all autos now with sunroofs. It is easier to replace the roof panels when there is a problem as they are all just bonded in place with an epoxie. It also serves as a drip rail for rain sort of.
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