Manual proponents almost never conjure real and plausible scenarios when trying to make their points. Much of it comes from a severe lack of understanding of how modern automatics work in the first place (i.e., they are casting judgement on something they don't even understand).
And some proponents of automatics can't admit they just don't want to be bothered shifting and would buy the automatic even if it was slower. Works both ways.
Why would they need to "admit" this? It may not even be true. Did you ask anyone to find out, or did you just assume that would be the case for automatic owners?
Again, you essentially supported my point...judgements based on severe lack of understanding on the subject. It never occurred to you that automatic owners operate their car in a totally different manner than you imagine?...of course not.
Why would they need to "admit" this? It may not even be true. Did you ask anyone to find out, or did you just assume that would be the case for automatic owners?
I know plenty of people personally who bought automatic performance cars and have no issues saying they bought it because they don't want to be bothered shifting. What's wrong with that?
Should be nothing wrong with that. A lot of manual owners seem to want to associate that with some index of hard-core-ness, though. It may not even have much to do with Challenger owners, in general.
I would have bought my MINI with a manual but, with only 2 cars, it had to be auto so either I or my wife can drive it. When I eventually get a Hellcat, I've considered going stick, because there's no way my wife will be interested in driving it anyway... but that 8-speed auto is pretty awesome.
I'm going to have to think of something else to get a stick in, like a factory 5 Cobra kit car, or a CJ-7.
in many ways im glad i didnt have any choice in my gt500.......it forced me to buy a manual and i love shifting it....i would love to shift the HC too, but i dont want to be 1/2 a second slower than another HC.....
Has anyone driven both? Which is more fun? Plain and simple question. I do agree that paddle shifting is damn fun when you can just hold one and floor it.
100% of people will say manual if more fun....of course it is if you know how to do it.......but is that fun factor worth being 1/2 a second slower? is it worth A8 392's beating you when you paid $65k for a HC?
0-60 M6 HC vs a8 392 ill bet is a pretty good race....im sure after 60mph the HC would woop the 392's butt....but 0-60...ehhhhh id say the M6 it a toss up
i can launch my old 2011 A5 392 0-60 4.5 every time and got as low as 4.30 once
It cracks my sh$t up when people say half a second slower on the m6 392.
For those with lots of track experience who know just how significant a full half second on your Et is are laughing when people say that.
Sure----put a person in the manual and watch their first few passes down the track with an unfamiliar car. It may absolutely be half a second or greater slower than the guy in the auto. We've seen hellcats run in the 12s without practice. Good conditions, any experienced driver with practice is running it deep-deep in the 11s
Take an experienced driver and give them time to learn the car and it's nowhere near half a second. A8 vs m6
I've seen some Awesome stock times posted from the 2015 autos in the 12.1 -12.2 range. I would shred my license, junk my car and drive a Prius if I could only run a 12.7 in a 2015 6speed 392 after a little practice. LOL.
Stock for stock the a8 is NO doubt faster. A tenth or two--- not half a second guys.
This auto vs manual topic is so beaten to death. Dodge gives us options so drive both and get what you like best. ?
It cracks my sh$t up when people say half a second slower on the m6 392.
I've seen some Awesome stock times posted from the 2015 autos in the 12.1 -12.2 range. I would shred my license, junk my car and drive a Prius if I could only run a 12.7 in a 2015 6speed 392 after a little practice. LOL.
Stock for stock the a8 is NO doubt faster. A tenth or two--- not half a second guys.
This auto vs manual topic is so beaten to death. Dodge gives us options so drive both and get what you like best. ?
I've run a 12.60 with my stock 392 6spd. I feel like the car has more in it. I'm a pretty inexperienced racer - I hope to prove your theory in the spring with a little more practice!
To each his own. The Hellcat was made for one thing.....FUN. It is an expensive and impractical TOY. Rowing through gears is fun. No surprise that the M6 sells more. The type of guys that can buy them can shift a heavy HP car.
To run .5 seconds better in the quarter when I take it to the track 2% of the time is not nearly worth driving a boring car the other 98% of the time... Just bought my 6 speed tonight..
I took a ride in a Hellcat M6 a week ago and I kept thinking that there is so much going on in this car that I wouldn't want to be distracted by having to shift gears myself. I think I would need to spend all my effort and concentration on keeping control of that thing. I own a six speed and it's lots of fun but for a Hellcat, i'm choosing A8 I think.
After having a 09 RT and a 13 SRT both have 6 speed Trans issues I got the auto. It cannot handle hard hard fast shifting. The hellcat in Texas that had the 6 speed was also grinding while shifting.
"If you can't find em, grind em." I actually think the stock pistol grip shifter works pretty good. Every now and then I have a high RPM mis shift, but not often. I didn't notice a grinding issue with these trannies
Um...I'm pretty sure there are more 6-speeds than autos because they initially built more of them - they all basically sold instantly, so it's not like there is any preference showing up yet.
As far as the Hellcat, the auto will at least be a half second quicker, it's such a high horsepower car, the difference on the 392 is .3-.5 seconds, the A8 will widen the gap by a few more tenths. It is just the reality of the situation whether you choose to believe it or not.
I had a 6-speed, it was a ton of fun, nothing wrong with it.
I completely concede the A8 will be a few tenths quicker. So what, I could care less. I live in a rural mountainous area and love to blast across our valley in the summer, windows down listening to the roar of the engine, rowing through the gears and in complete control of the car. I've driven the A8, its a wonderful transmission just not for me.
I don't spend my days at the strip or hunting down automatic Hellcats. Would I buy a particular option because it's .2 seconds faster? Drive what you like, we've completely beaten this to death. Just sayin. These aren't the droids we're looking for, move along.
I remember when the argument for manual was simply "I am faster than you are" now that has changed and the argument has changed.
Just sayin...
For the record, while the auto may not have that extra pedal, they do have the paddle shifters and I can also hear the roar of a controlled engine as I row through the gears >
In reality though, it will be much more than the .2-.3 seconds you manual backers are saying. We're talking at least .5 seconds, but I'm not saying you should care more just because the difference is bigger than you want to admit...
For those of us who have spent lot of time and money chasing a TENTH or 2 know it's not near half a second.
Do you realize how much HP is needed to pick up half a second down the track??? Lol
Once you get into a 800+hp car it's going to get harder to put the tracking down in a manual. However, most guys running serious HP applications are running very sticky tires.
In a 400-600hp application the manual will only be a tenth or 2 behind the auto for an experienced
driver who knows his car. Obviously we are talking Stock vs Stock.
The hellcat could be a little bigger gap at first. Once the manual hc drivers figure out their cars and put the drag radials on the gap will be smaller.
Most guys don't care about a couple tenths. The driving experience is the main reason for going manual.
My viper buddies seem to be doing pretty well whipping major as$ on the street and the strip in their manual vipers. It just takes a good driver and experience with the car. A lot of skill and practice involved. It's certainly not a hop in and press to "go pedal" experience.
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The manual driver always speaks with prowess of their personal skill and mastery of "control" over their car, but it's always the equipment's fault (need drag radials, figuring out the car, transmission fluid needs to be changed to something more special, temperature isn't right, skipshift blocked them, masculinity in question unless certain equipment held in the right hand and pressed by left foot, etc) for why they can't get that last few tenths of a second out of it.
Meanwhile, auto drivers are busy enjoying their cars, picking their own gears, letting the revs roar, and for all intents and purposes, in control of their car, as it suits them. Seems to me, 99% of all limitations cited by manual drivers are simply limitations that only manual drivers encounter...implying it's the driver at issue, here, not the machinery.
The manual driver always speaks with prowess of their personal skill and mastery of "control" over their car, but it's always the equipment's fault (need drag radials, figuring out the car, transmission fluid needs to be changed to something more special, temperature isn't right, skipshift blocked them, etc) for why they can't get that last few tenths of a second out of it.
Meanwhile, auto drivers are busy enjoying their cars, picking their own gears, letting the revs roar, and for all intents and purposes, in control of their car, as it suits them.
Don't you mean the car is in control of you?
I'm not an expert by any means but I have hundreds of passes in both an auto and manual muscle cars.
I had an auto for 3 years and coming from a manual vette prior it bored the hell out of me. Pressing the gas and holding the wheel running down the strip was a just.....boring... And that was in a 12.10 Camaro.
Always felt the car was driving me around.
Back then my girlfriend with ZERO passes in her life ran the car 12.32 on her first attempt ever. The car was setup well, sticky DRs. It was point and go.
Last auto performance vehicle I have owned since.
I have not had a chance to race the new A8 and play with the paddle shifters. I'm certain it's light years ahead of the old auto trannys.
It's ok that we have our own preferences.
I welcome the opportunity to miss a gear or launch a few rpm to high and blow the race. Beats the alternative for me personally.
It's funny how the Viper is geared toward "a track car". Those guys laugh their asses off at the thought of an auto Viper.
Drive what you like and makes you happy. How many times can we say the same things.