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Old 01-25-2009, 12:11 PM
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Modern Muscle 3.5 Supercharger Kit Pictures

I met up with the folks from Modern Muscle at the World of Wheels show in Chicago. They had four of their cars there and the basic supercharger kit for the Challenger SE. I took several pictures including one of their production kits on a 5.7 Charger. The SE parts are are machined out of aircraft quality aluminum (6061-T6) and are very robust. This kit will last and not throw belts.
I intend to do this upgrade (at around 4-5 psi boost) as soon as I can. The pictures could be better, but I had to hold the camera above and shoot down.

However, you can see the mounting bracket, replacement coolant tank, supercharger and the boost tube with the boost relief valve. The green charger is a 5.7 L, but you can see the work quality.
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Interesting

So what is the cost of this kit for the 3.5?

Any mods need to be done to existing motor besides running 91+ octane?
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5psi?? Come on man get some boost going! I can't wait until I can get one of my own though.
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You guys dug up an old thread. Modern Muscle has had several postings since I put up those pictures. Check out the thread on their initial 1/4 mile runs and visit their web site. They are a supporting vendor and good people. Call them up our send them an email.
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AFAIK, they are now in the low 14s. I wonder if the 4 speed auto in the Challenger can take it? I'm assuming the MM supercharger is a 5 speed auto Nag1 equipped car.

When the genie of forced induction gets unleashed on 4 valve variable timed engines, the numbers will keep falling.

Now Challenger SEs will need the 5 speed auto LSD refit kit... I guess it would be a Challenger SC !
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AFAIK, they are now in the low 14s. I wonder if the 4 speed auto in the Challenger can take it? I'm assuming the MM supercharger is a 5 speed auto Nag1 equipped car.

When the genie of forced induction gets unleashed on 4 valve variable timed engines, the numbers will keep falling.

Now Challenger SEs will need the 5 speed auto LSD refit kit... I guess it would be a Challenger SC !
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I saw the Charger when it was in Chicago land and it does have the 5 speed.
We start to get into an interesting game with the way the gear ratios are set on the NAG1 3.5l 5 speed and rear axel ratio. It makes it a good overall more flexible performer, but not necessarily the best in the 1/4 mile. It becomes one of those "what do you want" issues.

Modern Muscle never got out of third gear in their runs, perhaps with a higher rear end they will, but not necessarily.

Our 42RLE 4 speed third gear is 1/1 with a 3.64/1 differential which is a better 1/4 mile combination, but not the best based on the HP/torque curves for our 6500 rpm engine. It can handle the torque from a blower (especially a centrifugal blower) but I wouldn't want to put on big wheels and reduce the 3.64/1. I suspect that we can easily run a 3.90/1 without sacrificing much in mpg and increase our drivability especially city wise. Our 1/4 mile times would clearly improve. I have a ring & pinion set ordered that "should" fit our differential. Wheel speed is transmitted from the ABS so no PCM mapping should be required. Notice all the "shoulds". I am going to gamble and if it works I'll post what I did. If it doesn't I'll tell everybody what not to try and I will be out a few bucks.
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do only the 09 SRTs (09 R/T manuals too) have an aluminum rear center housing?

Also any idea how strong the 4 speed is? I was looking at the car today and note the V6 sits WAY in front, my Camaro has the LS1 2/3 in back of the front axle. IMO this should make dropping the trans a whole lot easier...
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do only the 09 SRTs (09 R/T manuals too) have an aluminum rear center housing?

Also any idea how strong the 4 speed is? I was looking at the car today and note the V6 sits WAY in front, my Camaro has the LS1 2/3 in back of the front axle. IMO this should make dropping the trans a whole lot easier...
I don't know the answer to your first question. However, your second question concerning the strength of the 42RLE is one I have been concerned with myself. I did a lot of poking & prodding people and the web concerning this transmission. It was originally developed for front wheel drive then re-engineered for rear wheel drive. It has (at least from my sources) a good reliability record, but that is normal driving and we likely aren't "normal" drivers. Our transmission technically is a 42RLE VLP with the VLP standing for variable line pressure. Having the VLP makes it a very efficient machine (or so they say) and its a long discussion, but it has a more complex torque converter tied into the PCM. I have not found any after market higher stall speed torque converters for this transmission. I hope there is one.

In any event increasing the ring & pinion gear ratio decreases transmission load and stress. The centrifugal supercharger increases its boost as RPM increases so the 42RLE wouldn't get slammed trying to get the car moving.
I feel pretty safe about it, but time and experience will tell the story.
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