My vote is for the C&L Performance CAI. I love the finished look and the notable performance gains. I used their product on my Mustang and my Challenger. Love it! I'm using a 392 IAT to help dismiss any concerns about the intake tube (aluminum) affecting the sensor. Now that the weather is cooler, I'll have to use my Predator tuner to monitor intake temp. It also has a 4" throat at the throttle body with a 4.0-3.5" reducer. So I'm looking to upgrade to a 90mm throttle body. I haven't dyno'ed yet but I'll try over the winter.
As for the aluminum tube and resonation, its VERY solid and at WOT sounds awesome! Just running through the gears around town, it sounds like forced induction.
The only thing I don't like on the HEMI setup is the custom cone filter with 45-degree neck. I wish it used standard cone filters.
Fender pull intakes will usually by at the top as far as gains.
For short ram intakes there's only two or three I would consider, the AFE Stage II CAI, or the Legmaker AirHammer or the Frankentake. These have been dyno tested as the top performers.
Fender pull intakes will usually by at the top as far as gains.
For short ram intakes there's only two or three I would consider, the AFE Stage II CAI, or the Legmaker AirHammer or the Frankentake. These have been dyno tested as the top performers.
i was actually asking about fender mounted CAIs, specifically the long ram Mopar, LMI and Spectre. the three can be found here on speedlogix's website if anyone's wondering what i'm refering to, but hopefully you've owned one of these to provide feedback on
Put in the Mopar CAI on the 2012 5.7 and it looks and sounds sweet. Better fuel mileage too. I don't know if there is any significant power improvement, it does seem to pull a bit better in the upper RPM range, but that could just be the intake sounding so good. Just let me pay a bit less at the pump and dazzle the under-hood lookers and I'm happy.
i won't debate that mopar intake'll look good, it ALREADY looks good on the seller's showroom floor! I guess doing a little bit more research, even though the LMI carbon fiber intake will keep the air cooler before hitting the intake manifold, it won't make too big of a difference on performance if i went to the (i'm assuming aluminum) intake body of the mopar CAI.
i personally like the satin silver look more than the darker carbon fiber, flashier and louder... ok, so i'm leaning more towards the mopar... unless someone has any dyno reports that could sway me... ::ahem::
my issue with DYNO REPORTS is this. you will get different numbers on different dynos. one might make 5hp.. one might make 12hp.. one was done on 70 degree day with low humidity.. one was done on 95 degree day ect.
a dyno is not he be all end all. a dyno is a reference tool to help make adjustments and have a BASE set of numbers to follow. guidelines so to speak. i would say if you like the satin.. go for it.. i don't think you will see or feel 10 cents difference between the two. but that is just my opinon.
i had a r2c when i first got my car.. they supposedly make more hp than any other cai on the market.. i didn't see beans differnence.. no i didn't go to a dyno. but if i am purchasing something and have to take it to a dyno to see a difference.. then it ain't worth it. i think the cai is a 2 fold purpose.. adds air to the intake side with what should be better filtration. and looks.
so, technically, the LMI carbon fiber tube is better performing than the mopar/aem tube for the fender mounts? i'm comparing fender mount to fender mount here btw
I personally like the satin silver look with blue emblem over the CF look, but i'm just trying to get a good bearing on whether or not the performance is worth the aesthetics.
I doubt there's any concrete evidence, but I'll take Legmaker's carbon fiber tube over Mopars ten times outta ten...
Also, Legmaker is quite possibly THE premier intake for the LX...it's specifically made for the LX community and has been steadily outperforming its competitors since 06...
good reads from you all, thanks for taking the time to post this... i guess it's all down to me now... hmmmmmmmmmmm; guess i'll take a look in the WTS section first, maybe strike a good deal. Thanks again Litos + rayzazoo
another question... does the challenger need its fender hole cut? I read on LX forums that the charger has a triangle-shaped hole which obviously needs it, but the round chally hole? is it 3"? If it is, what would you recommend to use to cut it?
In my opinion, the LMI True cold air IV is the best, just because it puts the IAT way down into the cold air stream, which helps promote better tuning:bluecap:
For the record so does the SP Bullitt CAI. The IAT sensor is located just above the fender retainer flange mount screw. It's as far away as you can get it short of mounting it in the fender well. http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...redator-85953/
Thus promps the question...where to get an extension for the IAT harness connector which is just about long enough for the stock tube. Other than cut and solder...is there an extension offered?
The SP CAI comes with the extension that reaches the new location.
If you take a look at my previous post and go to that link, the picture of the product shows the extension with the kit.
I had this issue when I was searching for a CAI 2 years ago. I looked at MOPAR, AFE, (ugh K&N) and so on, I settled on the roto-fab CAI, as at the time it was the ONLY one that had both a plastic tube (less heat soak) and seals when you close the hood. No complaints, great product, still recommend it.
I have personally seen the R2C intake out perform the leading brand intakes by 9hp and 15 over stock. My car was used for the prototype and has been dyno tested at Mr.Norms. Its a great intake...... more air more power!
Well like others have stated, CA places extreme scrutiny on emissions... And I just so happen to be. CA resident *sigh* hah. With that all said though, my Mopar CAI still works wonders. I'd probably still buy the same one regardless of the state I live in
Really Litos, just cause I only have 20 post I speak nonsense. Well your just a loser that hangs out on the forums. Maybe do research instead of calling someone out right away. I would think you would have a little class since your a senior member. Maybe I'd post more here if guys like you didn't just disagree to disagree
All of these CAIs have about the same filter area, pipe size, and media flow charactertistics. They all make about the same level of power/TQ. Not sucking in hot underhood air is preferred (why do you think Legmaker has a fender pull variant).
Here is the kick in the shorts - the stock PCM will 'unlearn' all bolt-on gains - it's been proven several times by Brian @ SNL on the same car/dyno before/after a drive cycle. The car shows gains before, and they are all but gone after the drive cycle. The only way to preserve the gains from bolt-ons is with a tune which permanently alters the air/fuel/spark tables.
All of these CAIs have about the same filter area, pipe size, and media flow charactertistics. They all make about the same level of power/TQ. Not sucking in hot underhood air is preferred (why do you think Legmaker has a fender pull variant).
Here is the kick in the shorts - the stock PCM will 'unlearn' all bolt-on gains - it's been proven several times by Brian @ SNL on the same car/dyno before/after a drive cycle. The car shows gains before, and they are all but gone after the drive cycle. The only way to preserve the gains from bolt-ons is with a tune which permanently alters the air/fuel/spark tables.
Thus we harken back to packing the intakes with dry ice before runs to cool the intake air to a denser state, hoping we had enough in the cooler for the day. The trick is cold dense air to the intake and no matter how you get it there it's the actual amount and final temperature that matters.
That said. Herminator is correct in that the stock PCM will soon unlearn all the tricks and you're back to square one unless you can tune it (deceive is probably a better word) and it now can have all the parameters changed to make full use of your modifications.
I know this is our Challenger forum and I hesitate to bring up..Chevy, but I had a guy in Temecula, CA who did custom chips and tuning right at the car and he turned my Z-28 from a quick machine into a street freak with his computer and chips. Wish the Challenger was as easy and he was still around to do his magic.
We'll get the tuner...patience will pay off inevitably!
I just read all 17 pages, and Im still left with a question. I have a 2012 R/T Auto and was looking to upgrade to the LMI Frankentake IV. After reading this, I am better off with JUST changing the intake tube to the non-silenced version? The Frankentake is $244 to my door, but if it wont produce better results than the stock paper filter and box, why not spend the $62 on the tube (plus shipping)?
The car is bone stock (less than 2k miles on it) but Im getting the force II catback installed at the same time as whatever intake mod I do. I want to make the best decision, and Ive trolled the hell out of these forums to find most of my answers.
The Frankentake is $244 to my door, but if it wont produce better results than the stock paper filter and box, why not spend the $62 on the tube (plus shipping)?
Re-read the thread I noted and noticed it did say to use a drop in replacement filter with the 6-spd air pipe, not the paper garbage filter. In that case, it would be the 6 speed pipe and an S&B once I figure out what size replaces the stocker.
I dont plan to go far with mod's, simple air intake and exhaust for the first while and maybe way down the road a bit more. Over $300 for an intake with my purposes in mind doesnt really sit with me. $250 was my limit on an intake and the Frankentake IV was perfect for that. I was looking at the air-raid before that.