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Originally Posted by 6SPD4ME View Post
You can refer to the "History Channel", I believe it was on approximately 1-1/2 years ago, show titled "Ultimate Factory Builds", where they featured the Challenger being built. The actual Chrysler spokesman called them "BUZZ" colors. That is as "OFFICIAL" as it gets.

Do you agree???
I don't recall it in the episode, or know who actually said it, what his credentials are for Chrysler, and have never seen the use of "buzz" colors in any Chrysler literature.

If it is true than guy who thought buzz colors sounds better than hi impact colors should be fired in my opinion.

To me, the only color that should be associated with the word Buzz is yellow.

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Yep, I have seen Dodge call it buzz colo(u)rs more than High Impact Colo(u)rs.

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Getting upset over that is ridiculous! If Dodge is caving to that pressure they are making a mistake. They should be in the business of building and selling cars. Quantity creates profits, profits allows business to expand development, development will deliver the GT500/ZL1 fighter. Think big picture!
Still pissed I couldn't get a B5 blue car! I really like the "High Impact" colors but wouldn't own one myself. Even if offered without restriction they aren't for everyone.
They are in business to build and sell cars. Quantity does not create profit, it creates variable cost. Fiat knows what they are doing. The Dart, 300, Charger, and Jeep lineup is their "for the masses" vehicles, "Bread and butter." So chill out Chrysler is in good hands.
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Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! View Post
Yep, I have seen Dodge call it buzz colo(u)rs more than High Impact Colo(u)rs.



They are in business to build and sell cars. Quantity does not create profit, it creates variable cost. Fiat knows what they are doing. The Dart, 300, Charger, and Jeep lineup is their "for the masses" vehicles, "Bread and butter." So chill out Chrysler is in good hands.
Having seen Fiat's performance to date, I would have to agree with your statement(s.)

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Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! View Post
Yep, I have seen Dodge call it buzz colo(u)rs more than High Impact Colo(u)rs.



They are in business to build and sell cars. Quantity does not create profit, it creates variable cost. Fiat knows what they are doing. The Dart, 300, Charger, and Jeep lineup is their "for the masses" vehicles, "Bread and butter." So chill out Chrysler is in good hands.

Quantity increases profits. Quantity reduces variable costs via economies of scale. If a particular vehicle is not creating profits it could potentially receive less R&D money for upgrades and even get the ax once it's numbers fall too far. Remember the Magnum? Find someone else to tell to "chill out."
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Originally Posted by RRHemi
Quantity increases profits. Quantity reduces variable costs via economies of scale. If a particular vehicle is not creating profits it could potentially receive less R&D money for upgrades and even get the ax once it's numbers fall too far. Remember the Magnum? Find someone else to tell to "chill out."
I respectfully disagree with your explanation. An increase in quantity does not guarantee profits, it opens the door for dis-economies of scale. Variable cost (VC) is directly related to quantity of output (QO). If QO increases, so does VC. If QO decreases, so does VC. If QO is stagnant, so is VC. You are thinking of fixed cost, which is not affected by an increase of QO via economies of scales.
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Dodge Announces 2010 High Impact Colors
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Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! View Post
I respectfully disagree with your explanation. An increase in quantity does not guarantee profits, it opens the door for dis-economies of scale. Variable cost (VC) is directly related to quantity of output (QO). If QO increases, so does VC. If QO decreases, so does VC. If QO is stagnant, so is VC. You are thinking of fixed cost, which is not affected by an increase of QO via economies of scales.
If output goes up fixed costs per unit go down, since they are spread across more units. If Chrysler is buying say, sheet metal for fenders, they will get a better price break if they are buying higher quantity. Wouldn't this lower variable costs or do both factors affect fixed costs?
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Originally Posted by RRHemi
If output goes up fixed costs per unit go down, since they are spread across more units. If Chrysler is buying say, sheet metal for fenders, they will get a better price break if they are buying higher quantity. Wouldn't this lower variable costs or do both factors affect fixed costs?
The net cost per unit will go down -- fixed cost will stay the same if output goes up due to economies of scale. Fixed cost is usually comprised of overhead, rent, loans, insurance, etc. So if fixed cost goes down that means a company is laying off employees or stopped paying rent.

A better example (very hypothetically speaking/typing) is that it costs Chrysler $1,000,000 to produce 1,000,000 cars per year (that's $1.00 per car). This $1,000,000 includes $500,000 in fixed cost ($0.50 per car). Fixed cost includes overhead, insurance, marketing expense, rent. As well as $500,000 in Variable cost (raw materials, delivery of said product, labor directly involve with the product).

Now lets say next year Chrysler decides to produce 2,000,000 cars. The Variable cost will increase because the number of cars has increased. Thus, variable cost rises from $500,000 to $1,000,000 (2,000,000 X $0.50 = $1,000,000). Fixed cost will not change regardless of the number of cars produced, thus it stays at $500,000.

The total cost to produce 2,000,000 cars will rise to $1,500,000 and the cost per car will fall to $0.75 ($1,500,000/2,000,000 cars). Because the fixed costs have been spread over a larger number of cars, the net cost per car will decline from $1.00 to $0.75.

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So at this increased output fixed costs have gone to $0.75 per unit. Wouldn't VC go up in a non linear fashion(lesser) due to economies of scale? Thanks for the explanation WTF.
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Originally Posted by ONTHEFENCE View Post
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Dodge Announces 2010 High Impact Colors
What you are referring to is a statement from 2009, and yes, everyone was referring to them in their 1970's term, "High Impact", but since then, as in the Ultimate Factory Build: Challenger" Dodge has since referred to these colors as BUZZ COLORS.

So, is Green With Envy really Snakeskin Green or visa-versa ... It really depends on which side of the fence you were born on. As for me, I just go with the flow what Dodge calls them. And that is what my original statement is based on.
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