THE BS about rice having better gas mileage and better quality exposed SO READ IT

[THE STUD]

EVERYBODY READ THIS
Hey rice lover, Dartman 69, I hate rice because people are suckered into believing that they are better in mpg. compare vehicles with similar weights in similar classes and similar engines between foreign and domestic. Their nearly the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rice quality is krap as well, new study down by Highway crash test found that 12 of the worst 16 vehicles in the tests were toyotas and Hondas. That's your proof, that's my reason for saying rice is krap, because it is, so don't try to defend them, because the facts speak for themselves. The only domestic car in those worst 16 was a Saab car. Woopty freakin dooh. Foreign cars have no technology, they get good gas mileage by making their vehicles more plastic(light) and smaller engines, wow that's a great invention, not. we get good gas mileage by aerodynamics and MDS(YES WE INVENTED THAT). I compared cars for about an hour online with mpg and see the differences, here's a list of them for ALL YOU IDIOTS WHO REALLY THINK FOREIGN CARES=BETTER MPG, IT'S A LIE SPREAD BY FOREIGN MAKERS TO MAKE YOU BUY THEIR STUFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO OFFER EXCEPT MPG, AND WHAT'S WORSE IS YOU BELIEVE THEM, SO HERE'S SOME REALITY, SOME FACTS, READ THIS IF YOU CAN ADMIT YOU WERE MISLED
EX. 1
truck gas mileage
1. Nissan Titan-305 horses 14/18mpg
Dodge Ram-345 horses 14/18mpg
Chevy Silverado-315 horses 15/20mpg
yes all were 4x4, 4 door standard box, so don't try and ask that question ALL DATA EPA MPG NO LIES
SEE, FOREIGN NOT BETTER GAS MILEAGE, even with less hp, so their actually worse if they tried to up their hp, NEXT EXAMPLE
popular sedans gas mileage
2. Honda accord, 4 dr, v6 240hp, sedan 20/29mpg, curb weight 3300lb
Dodge Charger, 4 dr, v6 250hp, sedan, 19/28mpg curb weight 3700 lb
Chevy Impala, 4dr, v6 233 hp, sedan, 20/29 mpg curb weight 3500lb
AGAIN YOU GUYS ARE WRONG, LOOK THE ACCORD IS LIGHTER AND IT TIES OR GETS 1 MPG BETTER THAN A MUCH HEAVIER AND LARGER CHARGER AND TIES THE HEAVIER IMPALA, WOW YOU WERE RIGHT AGAIN DARTMOUTH 69, NOTTTTTTTTTT, HERE'S SOME MORE IN YOUR FACE
POPULAR SPORTS CARS
3. Mitsubishi Eclipse, 2 dr, roadster, 260hp v6,18/26mpg-HOW PATHETIC
Chevy Corvette, 2 dr, roadster, 400 hp v8, 18/28 mpg-HAHAHA
Saturn(GM) Sky, 2dr, roadster, 260 hp tv6, 22/31 mpg-more the size of eclipse
YOU SEE AGAIN, YOU WERE FOOLED, THE MITS. ECLIPSE JUST ONE EXAMPLE, GETS WORSE GAS MILEAGE THAN THE 400 HP VETTE AND WAY LESS THAN THE SAME HP SKY WHICH IS MORE SIMILAR IN SIZE, HOW PATHETIC YOUR GUYS IDEAS ARE ABOUT THIS, BUT HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE BECAUSE YOUR SO STUBBORN
POPULAR FULL SIZE SUV all 4x4 top engines
4. Toyota Sequoia, 273hp v8(how sad), 15/17mpg-PATHETIC!!!!
Nissan Armada, 305hp v8, 15/18mpg
Chevy Tahoe-320hp v8, 15/21 mpg-SUCK ON THAT
AGAIN YOUR WRONG, CHEVY WINS, MAN HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK THEIR GREAT GAS MILEAGE, BUT ONE MORE WE'LL LOOK AT BECAUSE I'M SURE YOUR STILL DENYING IT
POPULAR Small MID SIZE SUV all 4x4, 4 drs,
1. Honda Pilot, 244 hp v6, 17/22mpg- BIG WOW, NOT
Toyota 215 hp v6, 18/24mpg-same as pilot
Jeep Liberty, 210hp v6, 18/22mpg-and that's a jeep, kills rice on offroad
Ford Escape, 200hp v6, 19/23mpg-
SO I HOPE ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE RICE GETS GOOD GAS MILEAGE WOULD JUST LOOKET AT ALL THESE FACTS I LOOKED UP. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, GO TO MSN AUTOS AND THEY HAVE MPG FOR EVERY VEHICLE, NOT LIKE I NEED TO MAKE IT UP, IT'S TRUE, YOU JUST BELIEVE LIES SPREAD, ITS SAD REALLY, THOSE ARE THE FACTS WHEN YOU COMPARE LIKE VEHICLES WITH LIKE ENGINES. FUNNY THINS IS ALMOST EVERY RICER IS LIGHTER THAN DOMESTIC(BY REPLACING METAL WITH PLASTIC) AND THEY STILL ONLY MEET OUR GAS MILEAGE, OR EVEN LOSE TO IT.
SO QUIT SAYING IMPORTS ARE BETTER ON GAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I'M SO SICK OF HEARING THAT
QUIT SPREADING THE LIE, I'M FLIPPIN SICK OF THAT KRAP
STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
LOOKET THE FACTS

[Rallye72]

Hey, stop holding back. Tell us how you really feel...

[THE STUD]

lol, sorry, I get kinda passionate about these things, oh well atleast I have fun

[71 bee]

Ha! it's good to see somebody else that feels my pain.

buy American!

[Zhe Wiz]

Originally Posted by THE STUD

The rice quality is krap as well, new study down by Highway crash test found that 12 of the worst 16 vehicles in the tests were toyotas and Hondas. That's your proof,

Last time I checked, when people are referring to quality they are referring to how many repairs are required/how well a vehicle holds up over time. Has nothing to do with crash tests. Nearly all unbiased testing I've seen still shows results favoring foreign cars. You say "rice quality is krap" but then give an example of how well they crash test. Interesting.

Very deceptive, your opinions. My 400+ HP 1992 Mitsu Eclipse gets 20-22 MPG city/28-30 MPG highway and weighs 3300 lbs. Pretty much beats that Corvette in all facets. Yes, it's a silly example, but hey if you can I can right?

Anyway, this whole thread should go away. I love my Eclipse, but I'll likely give it up for a Challenger, so I can see both sides...can you?

Jack

[THE STUD]

uh, yeah...eclipse is running mods obviously which increases mpg depending on which mods, incase you didn't know that(and you would get powned by a new vette)(and eclipse is a compact car, nothing more, the unmodded new Eclipse gets 18/24mpg, that's sad when a 4 door 350hp full size daytona charger of 3700+lb gets 17/25mpg), and speaking form experience of quality-being reliability and safety, safety is obviously krap, and reliabily, well here's a story
Once upon a time I bought a 2005 Accord, loaded with every single option-it was the biggest krapper I've ever owned and I'll never buy foreign again, here's a list that went wrong in 1 month-then I got rid of it
1. leather in back seats came unstiched-and it was never used
2. ride quality is worse than my new Ram TRX-4 with nobby tires
3. Trunk caved in with simple light groceries
4. Sunroof leaked and howeled
5. Interior squeaked and was noisier than anything I've had
and that was suppose to be the best one they had ever made....
that's why I say foreign is krap, and I've had other foreign before, all brand new, and they all sucked the same way
granted not all domestic are perfect either, but their not worse
71 BEE knows the truth

[71 bee]

I agree with you STUD,

I've owned a bit of everything. your gonna save cash buying American over the Euro/ Japanese cruisers in the long run, bar none. I've tried to look at "both sides" (as stated by Zhe Wiz) and found that the Japanese quality has never been proven to me personally. in the past, I have owned Mits, Suzukis Toyotas and a few Nissans, but found good ol' American cars/ trucks to shine thru every time. when a foriegn car/truck goes in for any type of repair it will cost you double or more for what the same repair would cost with an American vehicle, and don't kid youirself, it will go in for repairs. I don't care WHAT you drive.

let the controversy contine......

[clayk]

Originally Posted by THE STUD

uh, yeah...eclipse is running mods obviously which increases mpg depending on which mods, incase you didn't know that(and you would get powned by a new vette)(and eclipse is a compact car, nothing more, the unmodded new Eclipse gets 18/24mpg, that's sad when a 4 door 350hp full size daytona charger of 3700+lb gets 17/25mpg), and speaking form experience of quality-being reliability and safety, safety is obviously krap, and reliabily, well here's a story
Once upon a time I bought a 2005 Accord, loaded with every single option-it was the biggest krapper I've ever owned and I'll never buy foreign again, here's a list that went wrong in 1 month-then I got rid of it
1. leather in back seats came unstiched-and it was never used
2. ride quality is worse than my new Ram TRX-4 with nobby tires
3. Trunk caved in with simple light groceries
4. Sunroof leaked and howeled
5. Interior squeaked and was noisier than anything I've had
and that was suppose to be the best one they had ever made....
that's why I say foreign is krap, and I've had other foreign before, all brand new, and they all sucked the same way
granted not all domestic are perfect either, but their not worse
71 BEE knows the truth

I agree, My uncle just bought a 2006 Accord and he only has 910 miles on it and there are already rattles coming from the back right door and the center consol. And on top of that there was a leak from the back window already. I dont think hes going to keep it much longer if this keeps up since it has already been back to the dealer more than his old lesabre, impala, and intreped combined.

[Ragamuffin]

Originally Posted by clayk

I agree, My uncle just bought a 2006 Accord and he only has 910 miles on it and there are already rattles coming from the back right door and the center consol. And on top of that there was a leak from the back window already. I dont think hes going to keep it much longer if this keeps up since it has already been back to the dealer more than his old lesabre, impala, and intreped combined.

Well, in this case ,it sounds like he may be eligible for a total refund under the Lemon Law : check your local/state laws . Also, any make and model can produce a bad apple .At least according to Consumer Reports mag Hondas and Toyotas have a better reliability record than the majority of American brands.Just because a vehicle is American made doesn't mean it's better [quality, etc.]. For example sheet metal /body parts ..have only improved the last decade or so possibly due to public outcry !! For any of you living in the Rust Belt {s} aka midwest and elsewhere , where rock salt is used on highways in the winter [ except Wisconsin or most of ] plus the way thinner gauge sheet metal used { compared to the early 70's and prior . but still} certainly know the devastating results upon any and all affected areas !In fact I believe the Big 3 conspired purposely to make vehicles rust quicker so ' We the People' would have to buy another quicker : plus it's factual too ! Ok, I'm waiting !! !

[Zhe Wiz]

Originally Posted by clayk

I agree, My uncle just bought a 2006 Accord and he only has 910 miles on it and there are already rattles coming from the back right door and the center consol. And on top of that there was a leak from the back window already. I dont think hes going to keep it much longer if this keeps up since it has already been back to the dealer more than his old lesabre, impala, and intreped combined.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah blah. And my 2003 Dodge Grand Caravan AWD had it's alternator, power steering pump and fuel pump all let go in less than 30,000 miles! All under warranty, but that didn't stop it from having to go to the garage and waste my time! Which one seems more serious to you? A little wind noise and a rattle or stranded in 10 below zero weather in a car that won't run because the fuel pump died? (which is exactly what happened to my wife and kids, by the way.) I ditched that sucker and traded it for a 2005 Toyota Sienna AWD. And although feature-wise the Caravan was MUCH MUCH better thought out and the seats were WAY better, the Sienna has had ZERO problems in 25,000 miles and counting.

Yet my 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan AWD ALSO had ZERO problems in 60,000 miles. So now what do I do? Do domestics suck or not? Our 1994 Honda Civic was traded in on that 99 Caravan. It had over 110,000 miles at the time of trade-in. Also with ZERO problems, just normal brakes, maintenance. So do imports suck or not?

But really, none of these examples means squat. Why? Because they are a couple samples from hundreds of THOUSANDS. Everyone knows someone who had a bad car of any make/model you can think of. I get annoyed when a person can't see past their own circle of friends and sees only one side of the equation, which appears to be true here. There's a big world out there. Take a look at JD Powers and Consumer Reports sometime. You may not agree with them, but they have one hell of a lot larger sample size than you have.

I'm tellin' ya, this thread is not going to do anyone any good, it needs to just go away. (yeah, yeah, and if I'd stop posting, maybe it would! :-)

I still like the Challenger, BTW. :-)

Jack