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Old 05-01-2007, 08:23 AM
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Concerning the b-pillar... what would prevent someone from simply cutting it out and reworking the pieces of glass to be manually removable? Does it really provide that much strength and rigidity to the body?

And, is my gross lack of automotive knowledge shining through enough yet? Haha.

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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Sawzall and some bondo should do the trick!
We'll try it on yours first!
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin
Well, for one it interrupts the clean lines of the original Challenger/coupe . Secondly,it also eliminates a dangerous blind spot which the B-pillar exudes . As for cutting costs/price and cutting weight, how much extra weight would a regulator and a little motor add: 5-7 lbs. total ? That's nothing or negligible ! Besides,these are most likely Super Stock and or racing prototypes !!! Shhhhhhhhh
You may be right.

There was a post on DodgeChallenger.com that said that the spy photos were taken at Dodge's tech plant in Michigan- not at the Brampton factory where the production models will be made.
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Maybe the aftermarket will mod a select group of Chally's deleting the B-Pillar and installing an up/down window. They could also throw in some performance enhancements - reminiscent of the GSS Darts, Superbirds, or Daytonas. Straight from the factory to the mod shop to the dealer! Or, maybe we should just wait and purchase a 2009 or 10. Surely they will give us a coupe at some point.
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

I believe a hardtop is without posts and a coupe is with.
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Geez, are u guys really gonna hassle DCX because of that B-pillar? I mean, maybe that kind of detail doesn't bother me, but I just don't see the big deal. How bout we just be happy that we've finally got some pics of these cars actually making the second phase on the road to production?

I guess I'm just astonished that they are actually gonna stay true to the concept's profile and lines without any significant changes. If anything, I think the B-pillar gives the car a more aggressive look as compared to an all glass side portal. But that's just my opinion obviously. Either way, I don't see this detail stopping anyone from putting one in their garage in the next year or so. And if it does, I have to question said person's sanity.
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

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I believe a hardtop is without posts and a coupe is with.
Did you mean to say the reverse ? A coupe is always without a post !
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin
Did you mean to say the reverse ? A coupe is always without a post !
RRHemi was correct. A hardtop does not have a center post. See the following definition from Wikipedia (especially the last paragraph):

"The other automotive usage of the term "hardtop" is a body style known as the hardtop convertible. A hardtop convertible is a fixed-roof model designed to look like a convertible with the top raised. While some early models retained side window frames and B-pillars, by the 1950s most were pillarless hardtops, omitting the B-pillar (the roof support behind the front doors) and configuring the window frames, if any, to retract with the glass when lowered. Some hardtops took the convertible look even further, including such details as simulating a convertible-top framework in the interior headliner and shaping the roof to resemble a raised canvas top. By the late 1960s such modifications were often superseded by a simple vinyl roof.

A pillarless hardtop is inherently less rigid than a pillared body, requiring extra underbody strength to prevent shake. Production hardtops commonly shared the frame or reinforced body structure of the contemporary convertible model, which was already reinforced to compensate for the lack of a fixed roof. With such a reinforced frame, a hardtop was stronger and stiffer than a convertible, but both weaker and (because of the reinforcements) heavier than a pillared body.

There were a variety of hardtop-like body styles dating back to at least the 1920s. Chrysler Corporation showed a pillarless Town and Country hardtop coupe as a concept vehicle in 1946, but the car never went into production. The trend-setter for mass-production hardtops was General Motors, which launched two-door, pillarless hardtops in 1949 as the Buick Roadmaster Riviera, Oldsmobile 98 Holiday, and Cadillac Coupe de Ville. They were purportedly inspired by the wife of a Buick executive who always drove convertibles, but never lowered the top. The hardtop became extremely popular in the 1950s, and by 1956 automakers offered hardtop coupés and four-door sedans in a particular model lineup. In 1957, the first four-door hardtop station wagon was introduced by Rambler and this type of body design was soon offered by other automakers.
Throughout the 1960s the two-door pillarless hardtop was by far the most popular body style in most lines where such a model was offered. Even on family vehicles like the Chevrolet Impala, the two-door hardtop regularly outsold four-door sedans.

The hardtop began to disappear along with convertibles in the mid-1970s, partly out of a concern that U.S. federal safety regulations would be difficult for pillarless models to pass. The ascendancy of monocoque construction also made the pillarless design less practical. Some models adopted modified roof styling, placing the B pillars behind tinted side window glass and painting or molding the outer side of each pillar in black to make them less visible, creating a hardtop look without actually omitting the pillar. Some mid to late 1970s models continued their previous two-door hardtop bodies, but with fixed rear windows or a variety of vinyl roof and opera window treatments.

The U.S. industry's last true two-door and four-door hardtops were in the 1978 Chrysler Newport and New Yorker lines. Since then, no U.S. manufacturer has offered a true hardtop in regular production, although some German manufacturers, including BMW and Mercedes-Benz have offered upscale pillarless hardtops. Many Japanese domestic cars, particularly from Toyota and Nissan, are offered in hardtop form.

The body style may be due to return, however, as concept versions of the Dodge Challenger and Chevrolet Camaro shown in 2006 were both two-door hardtops, as well as a 2007 model concept for the Chrysler 300C."

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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Well, then are you saying that a Coupe has a post :as RRHemi stated ??
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Re: NEW Challenger pre-production photos

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin
Well, then are you saying that a Coupe has a post :as RRHemi stated ??
Yes.
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