No More Rice!

[Cuda340]

A lot has been said as to whether the Challenger should be an exclusive high performance line with 5.7 R/Ts, 6.1 SRTs, and 6.4 HOs. One argument for a more varied line (i.e., V6 SXT) is to increase profits for DCX by selling more cars.

I agree with this line of thinking. Another new argument that I heard is to make the car affordable to young drivers so that they will develop brand loyalty to DCX and get them out of their ricemobiles with the Hi-C can exhaust tips.

[mrrobwood]

Originally Posted by Cuda340

A lot has been said as to whether the Challenger should be an exclusive high performance line with 5.7 R/Ts, 6.1 SRTs, and 6.4 HOs. One argument for a more varied line (i.e., V6 SXT) is to increase profits for DCX by selling more cars.

I agree with this line of thinking. Another new argument that I heard is to make the car affordable to young drivers so that they will develop brand loyalty to DCX and get them out of their ricemobiles with the Hi-C can exhaust tips.

I call them "Fart cans"

Being from a younger generation even I think they should not lower the price soo young drivers can afford it. If I wanted a 20 something thousand dollar Dodge I would buy a Avenger

[Honda2Mopar]

To be honest - I am still going to keep my prelude it has a jdm h22a in it puts down around 200 hp and gets 28 mpg ... I do not think any challenger including the v6 if there is one will get that. It does not have the typical fart can -- but it has been modified and sure has surprised some mustang gts and machs in its day. The new civic si sounds like a little indy car or something not rice at all so the stereotypical stuff needs to stay out. Hell dodge and chevrolet have both stepped up with their cobalt ss and old neon srt4 (caliber srt4). I want a challenger cause I miss my dads and would love to have another but why pay 30+ grand for a 25-27 year old car when you can have a new one.

What you call rice , some of us might think is nice.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by mrrobwood

I call them "Fart cans"

+1 on that.

As for lower powered models. If it keeps the options open for the high powered models for me then I am all for it!!

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by Honda2Mopar

To be honest - I am still going to keep my prelude it has a jdm h22a in it puts down around 200 hp and gets 28 mpg ... I do not think any challenger including the v6 if there is one will get that. It does not have the typical fart can -- but it has been modified and sure has surprised some mustang gts and machs in its day. The new civic si sounds like a little indy car or something not rice at all so the stereotypical stuff needs to stay out. Hell dodge and chevrolet have both stepped up with their cobalt ss and old neon srt4 (caliber srt4). I want a challenger cause I miss my dads and would love to have another but why pay 30+ grand for a 25-27 year old car when you can have a new one.

What you call rice , some of us might think is nice.

My ws6 puts down 300+rwhp and pulls 30mpg easy on my daily commute

Checkmate

[Honda2Mopar]

Funny I had a z28 six speed car ('98)--- never got anything over 18mpg maybe you have the special cyclinder deactivation WS6. Oh that was never offered . I think you need to recheck your calculations......

[Ragamuffin]

Originally Posted by Honda2Mopar

To be honest - I am still going to keep my prelude it has a jdm h22a in it puts down around 200 hp and gets 28 mpg ... I do not think any challenger including the v6 if there is one will get that.

What you call rice , some of us might think is nice.

Well Consumer Reports obviously thinks so too , as most Japanese Vehicles get high marks are highly recommended. In fact,in the 2007 CR auto review that just came, all 10 of Honda's have that red check with 6 receiving CR's higher recommended level. This generally is across the board for the Asian brands whether made in Japan or here.I'm wondering if the Japanese way of doing/thinking is carried into manufacturing to breed a more healthy environment as compared to American ways.Also, maybe some areas where vehicles are made have a certain " Mindset" than say, other areas of the U.S.:i.e. in the 70's when working at a steel mill, there seemed to be a 'prevailing theme' {disturbing to me} that went like this "You working hard or hardly working" !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Honda2Mopar]

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin

Well Consumer Reports obviously thinks so too , as most Japanese Vehicles get high marks are highly recommended. In fact,in the 2007 CR auto review that just came, all 10 of Honda's have that red check with 6 receiving CR's higher recommended level. This generally is across the board for the Asian brands whether made in Japan or here.I'm wondering if the Japanese way of doing/thinking is carried into manufacturing to breed a more healthy environment as compared to American ways.Also, maybe some areas where vehicles are made have a certain " Mindset" that say, other areas of the U.S.:i.e. in the 70's when working at a steel mill, there seemed to be a 'prevailing theme' {disturbing to me} that went like this "You working hard or hardly working" !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I live in Arkansas where "F bodys" are all over every where. Chevrolet has the right idea with their new Impala SS -- MDS or cylinder deactivation is the only way to go right now. I have a 4000 lb. full sized SUV Pilot that gets 24 mpg due in part to MDS. The new Impala gets 27 mpg on hwy which would probably be just as good and both engines make anywhere from 244-303 horsepower. I buy a challenger just to set and look at it will not be my daily driver cause the money I save in gas probably could make the car note. I do not pay much attention to Consumer Reports but having owned lots of cars. A honda will always be my daily driver. I may need toys like the Dodge Challenger but those are to keep clean and have fun in.......
The R/T challenger needs to have a 5.7 liter autostick with MDS so it can get over 20 miles to a gallon and not kill everyones pocket book,......

Kaizen is what the japanese call continous improvement through learning i.e research..... Also most of the japanese auto makers have plants in the southern US. Honda Pilots are made in Alabama and Toyota just announced huge plans for a plant in Mississippi. I don't neccessary like buying foreign cars but what is an American car? There really is no such thing. The new chrysler and dodge products share parts with their german benz cousins and so forth.....

[Ragamuffin]

I'm a little behind the times : what models are F bodies [ must be a truck?]? Yeah, I don't always agree with Consumer Reports. Ironically,CR also has a spot with a title : What is an American car?

[Honda2Mopar]

Originally Posted by Ragamuffin

I'm a little behind the times : what models are F bodies [ must be a truck?]? Yeah, I don't always agree with Consumer Reports. Ironically,CR also has a spot with a title : What is an American car?

F bodies refers to the dinosaur of a camaro/ firebird that was made from 93ish onwards to its demise in 2002 or 2003.... The last of the huge 5.7 liter engines to be put into a rear wheel drive car before the GTO. They have cheap plastic interior parts but are muscle cars. My 98 z28 was the only car I have ever owned that could break the tires lose at 80 mph + and squeel the tires through 100 mph... They are torque monsters but somebody claiming they get 30 mpg in a six speed WS6 is just ridiculous.... I quess if you live next to the interstate are able to stop less than 1.2 times per trip and able to run the car in 6th gear all the time with out having to shift then maybe just maybe 20 something mpg is possible....