While I'm convinced that Dodge made the switch from Mobil 1 to the new Pennzoil purely for advertising/lowest bidder reasons, I'm curious if any of you have loaded up with the Pennzoil, and what your feelings are on its performance. I've heard a couple of testimonials to the effect that the Pennzoil has reduced or eliminated lifter noise in cars that previously were plagued by it. I've been using Amsoil 5w40 in my girl along with an Amsoil filter since I got her with good results. Not really considering the switch myself, just curious. Anyone?
I'd like to know this too. I'm due for an oil change and just because SRT puts their logo on it, is it best? I'm sure it won't hurt anything but I'd like to know what's best for the cars.
I started using Pennzoil Ultra 5w-20 in my R/T even before Chrysler made the switch in the SRT's. If you use Ultra Synthetic exclusively in your car, Pennzoil offers a 15 year/500,000 mile warranty on the internal parts of your engine.
Here is the information:
They even sent me a check for $25.00 for my first oil change using Ultra.
Least expensive place to buy? Wal Mart sells 5 Quart jugs of Ultra for $27.97 and Quarts for $7.47, which are both cheaper than anywhere else I've found.
And this time, they're sending me a $10.00 gas card from Shell! :eusa_dance:
They did switch to 5W-40 with the 392's, but I think they switched back to 0W-40 not so long ago.
I had an oil change done just last week and my bill came back saying 5W-40. Made them prove it was 0W-40 by showing me the containers. It was just in the computer, but indeed it was 0W-40 that was put in. It was Mobil 1 full synthetic.
I've been using 5W-20 Pennzoil Ultra for the past couple of years in the 5.7 - I've found better pricing than Mobil-1 (been using full syn. since the first oil change)
Quiet and "Hemi-tick" free since day 1, now @ 25K.
Been using 5w30 Pennzoil Ultra in my 3.6 Challenger and wife's Jeep since day 1. I buy the 6 quarts at Walmart then have the dealer change oil and filter for $15. Both vehicles run good with it.
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The 08's-10's 6.1's called for 0W-40 full synthetic as well.
Like I said, when the 392's first came out, they changed, but only briefly. Why the change and then to change back.... I don't know the reason?
You might want to double check on if you really did get 5W-40. I seen it on my bill before I signed off on the car and brought it up. That's why I had them prove it to me. I even asked specifically for it when I brought it in.
I live in a cold winter climate. I go out and start my car in the garage every 3 weeks, so the lighter the oil when cold is important to me. Now does 0W and 5W have that big of a difference... hard to tell. Maybe not?
The glitch is in the computer at the dealership. It's just how the cost codes come up. They didn't change the title. I do know that the oil that went in was Mobil 1 not the new Penzoil. Must have been old stock?
I'm guessing that Penzoil cut a deal with Dodge to supply oil for the whole line, but didn't have a specific 0W-40 at the time.
Lots of companies do this with putting their labels on oils. Harley Davidson does this as well.
I work a lot in oil refineries. Here's what goes on and why I'd rather buy the refining companies oil vs. a badged car/bike company oil.
Shell make oil. They have a top of the line oil that they push. They also supply oil to (insert company here) for their line. Sure it matches what the purchaser requires, but is it as good as their own line? No. The base is SAE approved, but it's the additives that give the producer the leg up. They would never sell the superior product undercutting themselves.
It's the same with gas. There are only so many companies that own their own oil/gas refineries. Everyone has to buy from them. They just get a slightly cut version from the refinery.
I am sure that Pennzoil Ultra is a quality synthetic oil, but I will stick with Mobil 1. If its good enough for NASCAR engines, its good enough for my 6.1.
I got a free oil change at my dealer during a customer appreciation event.
I'll probably not be so lucky again, so...
I know it's 0W-40, but I can't seem to find it on the shelf anywhere, reasonably priced. I'm in SoCal and would like opinions about using 5w30
instead.
Up to you.
If your under warranty, might be best to CYA just incase and run the weight and type (synthetic) that's spec'd.
Cost of ownership. If there is a catastrophic engine failure, or even something like a timing chain, and they find you put the wrong weight/class of oil in there, they could walk.
Seeing that your Socal, it never gets cold (as per what cold means to me), you could run 5W-40. Still the warranty concern, but not nearly as bad and justifiable.
Seeing how hot these run, I'd still run 40 and not 30.
I still haven't found this oil (Pennzoil 0w-40) in stores. Either way, I've been using 0w-40 Mobil 1 and have had no issues. Walmart seems to be the cheapest.
Typical of Chrysler to make this big to-do of an SRT branded oil with ads, service notices, youtube clips, et al. and then not make the friggin' oil available. I asked my dealer two weeks ago if they had the Pennzoil for sale by the quart, and he had no idea what I was talking about, and said they are still using Mobil 1 on SRT's...
Only reason I can see the reason for the switch is MOPAR is no longer part of NASCAR, and Mobile 1 is what, the OIL OF NASCAR. I paid the extra penny (90$) for 0w_40 ULTRA Pennozoil oer 0w_40 Mobile 1 full synethtic which I can get for 60$ + filter, no difference in engine smoothness, we change out our synthetic oils at 5000 miles anyway so ANY decent synthetics addictives would still be fine, that's why oil testing labs always tell owners to wait LONGER. I do know that I never thought of "PENNZOIL" as top of the line...ULTA claims that, it's more expensive than Royal Purple around here, and about the price of Redline.
I always wonder about those kinds of listings, but I suspect it is just inadequately labeled to indicate some sort of standard distributor size pack of units. I would never be brave enough to click the add-to-cart button at those prices, though. I don't need to find out that mystery that bad!
lol I know Randy, it is suspect. I need an oil change though, so I am contemplating this. If it is 1qt then I would send it back to them and demand my money back
0w40 and 5w40 are available at Wal-Mart, AutoZone, etc. These are synthetic oils, they aren't as common as the typical oil grades you listed that are available as both conventional and synthetic oils.
That part about the M1 filter scares me...when I get my car out of the shop I'll have to be sure to check the oil...haven't heard of that before so hopefully it was just a bad gasket or something?
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that the problem was with the oil filter. I have a problem with the oil filter adapter or oil pressure sending unit (screws into the oil filter adapter) on my engine not being quite right (uneven filter mating surface? I don't know) and my dealer wouldn't go beyond blaming the aftermarket oil filter. I was told that if I put a Mopar filter on and it still leaked then they would replace the oil filter adapter on the engine or at least diagnose further, but they wouldn't/couldn't do any warranty repairs for the oil leak until I replaced the filter with a Mopar filter. Once I get the leak fixed I'll go back to Mobil 1 filters.
I've been using 0W40 (Mobil 1 most of the time) for the past dozen years - its the preferred (and factory fill) for MB gas engines.
Walmart and the larger franchise auto parts stores carry 0W-40. Since I've found Pennzoil Ultra I've been buying that (it exceeds Chrysler's standard for oil requirements as well) for the past year...its often more readily in stock than Mobil 1 0W-40 in my experience.
I've been using Amsoil 5w40 with an Amsoil filter on my car. So far it's been great, but if there was any advantage to using the Pennzoil, such as added warranty benefits, I'd switch to the Pennzoil. My thinking is that the Amsoil is superior to both the Pennzoil and Mobil 1 though. Thoughts?
I also use it, and used it on all my past diesels. I typically went 10-12k miles on my diesels with a full synthetic fluid. Recently changing from Valvoline conventional at 5k mile intervals, I opted for Amsoil and planning running up to 10k miles. I also have a company car and do not drive my car daily so, I just broke 18k miles on my 2010.
I was waiting for the topic of Amsoil to come up. Somewhere I got the impression that it is actually a "different" kind of synthetic oil, unlike the more common (and cheaper) Mobil/ Penzoil/etc synthetics. Amsoil is a "true" synthetic through and through, whereas Mobil/Penzoil/etc are a synthetic blend. The latter may sound inferior, but actually it works for you from the standpoint that they are distinctly more compatible with traditional oils that you may/may not add to the reservoir...because they are inherently a blend of synthetic and traditional from the start.
The part I am unclear about is Amsoil not being so compatible with other oils, even other synthetic blends. So if you try to mix the 2 or even have traces of other kind of oil in the system, Amsoil isn't going to play nice with it? It may not outright congeal into a jello mold, but it also might develop solid precipitates throughout the system? Neither of those scenarios are good for your oil system, so you have to be meticulous and dedicated if you do switch your car to Amsoil, is that right? No, switching back and forth and no incidental top-offs with non-Amsoil oil. I'm just wondering. What's the poop on this?
I am not going to get into the AMSOIL argument – some love it and some hate it…. Just like many other oils. However, I will chime in and say there is absolutely no problem mixing AMSOIL with other oils be them synthetic or conventional. There would be no more ill effects mixing AMSOIL with another band than there would be mixing Mobil1 and Pennzoil or Valvoline and Castrol, or etc.
Each oil has its own unique chemistry and additive package and mixing is considered by some as not optimal but, mixing AMSOIL with any other oil will not grenade your engine, it will not gel, it will not do anything adverse.
I get free oil changes for a year from the dealer where i bought my car. The 6.1 states mobil 1 and thats what they use. I have used it for years in other cars and it works for me!
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i don't want to get into a heated debate about amsoil, so i am going to just make my statement and be done.. so take it for what it is.
i had the atf+4 in my car.. dumped it.. put in amsoil MUCH BETTER.. i had 5000 miles on it.. i decided for a test and i was bored.. i dumped it.. put atf+4 back in.. my god it is like driving a gravel truck.. put amsoil back in today.. MUCH BETTER. so weather it is carb ati aft whatever certification's you are talking about.. i could care less.. it helps my car.. and if the tranny blows up.. i would love for any service tech to be able to look at my RED fluid and tell the difference.. unless the are PROFICENT IN TASTE TESTING tranny fluid, i really doubt anyone could or would tell the difference.
again my 2 cents. i don't want a huge debate on this. just stateing my experience..
mobil 1 royal purple penzoil amsoil ect are all quality stuff. pick your poison and have at it. just don't by wal-mart brand stuff and you will be fine lol!
i had the atf+4 in my car.. dumped it.. put in amsoil MUCH BETTER.. i had 5000 miles on it.. i decided for a test and i was bored.. i dumped it.. put atf+4 back in.. my god it is like driving a gravel truck.. put amsoil back in today.. MUCH BETTER.
You have a 6-speed manual, correct? The viscosity and friction properties mean much, much less because there are no internal clutches like inside an automatic. The AMSoil Universal ATF WILL cause problems with some Chrysler automatic transmissions that call for ATF+4. Saying your manual doesn't have any problems is irrelevant as I was not talking about manuals. Heck, ATF+4 isn't used in non-Chrysler TR-6060 applications. Glad the AMSoil ATF works for your manual, but you missed the point.
so weather it is carb ati aft whatever certification's you are talking about.. i could care less.. it helps my car.. and if the tranny blows up.. i would love for any service tech to be able to look at my RED fluid and tell the difference.. unless the are PROFICENT IN TASTE TESTING tranny fluid, i really doubt anyone could or would tell the difference.
You do realize that if you do have problems, the service dept is going to ask you if and when you've had the trans fluid replaced, right? If you answer yes then they are going to ask for receipts or at least an answer as to what fluid is used. Would you lie or tell the truth? If you answer no then you'd be flat-out lying to them and committing warranty fraud. The dealer can easily send off a fluid sample for testing and determine that it IS NOT ATF+4 fluid. They won't be able to tell what fluid it is, all they need to know is that it's not the proper fluid. Boom, denied claim. Then you get to see how well AMSoil's warranty works.
again my 2 cents. i don't want a huge debate on this. just stateing my experience..
mobil 1 royal purple penzoil amsoil ect are all quality stuff. pick your poison and have at it. just don't by wal-mart brand stuff and you will be fine lol!
You may not want a debate, but at the very least you should want to understand the what and why of the way things are. Your response and attitude tell me you really don't care about the reasons or consequences and think you're bulletproof.
I wish you luck with your Challenger.
BTW, Wal-Mart doesn't make their own oil. It's also API certified and the SuperTech synthetic oils have actually proven to be very high-quality oils which are produced by Warren. There's more to an oil than the name on the bottle, making wild assumptions does nobody any good.
well i am glad you know your oils bud.. bullet proof nope.. and as for warranty.. it is what it is.. worse comes to worse i eat it and pay for it myself if it blows.
i do care about reasons and consequences.. it is people like you that have to have the DEATH TO ALL opinon about certain products that drive me nuts.. if you don't like it fine. but if the stuff was junk they wouldn't be in business for any length of time like they have.
i said what i need to say.. you keep on rambling about oils for another 10 pages. i have driving with my JUNK FLUID IN MY TRANSMISSION to do. oh until it blows up
Hey, what can I say, I prefer to base my choices on facts and not marketing mumbo-jumbo. I said I didn't want to open the AMSoil can of worms, but someone asked.
And I never said death to AMSoil or any other product. You sure do like making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, doncha. People should make informed, educated decisions. I'm not telling anyone not to use any products, I'm giving them information and letting them decide what they think is the best choice for them.
Again, good luck with your Challenger. Not saying you need it, honestly wishing you good luck. Maybe try decaf? :jester: