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Review: 2012 392 vs 2013 R/T Classic

Just test drove a 2012 392 Yellow Jacket 6 speed, a 2012 Redline 392 auto, and a Jazz Blue 2013 R/T Classic with 6 speed and STP. Here are my thoughts comparing them to both my current 2010 DY SRT and former 2010 R/T H/O Classic. I hav now driven every combination of V-8 Challenger produced since 2008, so I have definitely been around the block on these, so my review is not comprehensive, just some initial impressions...

2013 R/T Classic: Seemed louder than my 2010 SRT and braking is much improved compared to my 2010 R/T Classic. There is not as much travel in the pedal, and the brakes grab pretty hard though not as well as the Brembos on the SRT. Acceleration felt about the same but more linear than my SRT, and I could not really tell a huge difference between the two. Obviously, my car likes to rev more but again not a big difference. Handling wise, more body roll than my SRT and way lighter steering, which I did not care for. However, the upgraded ratio on the 2013s means less input is required to get the car to do what you want. Overall, I was immensely impressed with the improved dynamics over the 2010 R/T I had and would buy it over a 2010 SRT if I were looking between a new R/T vs a used 2010 SRT. Plus, the minor upgrades to the interiors of the new ones over the 2010s is a nice touch, except for the dotted pattern on the center console and around the NAV screen. It looked tacky.

2012 392s: I hate to say it, but I was actually really impressed with the auto 392. It felt so much quicker than my 6 speed 2010 and a tad quicker than the 6 speed Yellow Jacket. Obviously, not as fun to drive, and the whole paddle shifters are a gimmick that I would rarely use. BUT, the paddles were surprisingly quicker than I expected them to be. Compared to the 6.1L, way more linear and more dramatic power delivery. Way more torque. The 6 speed 392 shifter felt tighter, and the clutch let out lower than my 2010. The R/T was a easiest to drive actually. Braking felt the same. Handling was a bit tighter with about the same amount of body roll, but again less input required due to better steering ratio. New steering wheel rocks. The only interior thing I did not like as much were the seats. Though the materials are better, I felt like I was sitting on them rather than in them. Still great seats though. Overall, driving dynamics between the 2010 vs 2012 are like someone drinking a huge Starbucks coffee with a shot of expresso (392) vs. a decaf herbal tea (6.1L). They really woke these cars up over the last couple of years since I've driven them all!

Well, there are my initial impressions. If I had purchased a 2011 R/T Classic instead of a 2010 two years ago, I'd probably still have it. Now that I have a 2010 SRT, I would actually consider getting a 2013 R/T Classic to replace it IF the car were my sole transportation. If you are looking at used SRTs with the 6.1L vs a brand new R/T with STP, I'd actually recommend the new R/T over it believe it or not, since it newer with warranty and performs similarly. For me, I think the 392 is the natural progression. They are trying to get me to buy the YJ they have. It is equipped exactly how I want it too. Only option is the YJ Package, so no sunroof or NAV. It is growing on me after seeing it in person (used to hate the wheels and stripe), but I may just wait until 2013-2014 to see what other colors come out and or engine options. They also had a 2010 B5 SRT supercharged there, but I did not drive it though I should have!

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i test drove a 2010 SRT 6 speed and bought a 392 A5

the 392 was dramatically get good performance out of a 6 speed you need to be a great driver...if your average or below your going to get spanked by a A5

at around 4,000 miles my car got faster....i dont know if its the computer or if the engine is just broken in.....but before 4,000 i could barely squeak my tires....the car just went like a bat out of the tires spin much, much are still perfect, so i know its the car getting faster

the 392 makes the old 6.1 seem like a 5.7

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Good review. I don't know how fast you drove these cars but, as you know, the 6.1 is more of a top end performer and will really start to pull strongly on a 5.7 near the end of the 1/4 mile.

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Good review. I don't know how fast you drove these cars but, as you know, the 6.1 is more of a top end performer and will really start to pull strongly on a 5.7 near the end of the 1/4 mile.
Exactly, the 5.7 falls off after 5K, whereas the 6.1L keeps pulling. The same holds true for the new ones, but unless you plan on racing or tracking the car, the R/T Classic for 2013 is almost as good as the old SRTs for street driving. If you really start pushing the R/T, the SRT is obviously better, but just cruising around and doing a flew blasts up and down the boulevard, not much a difference really. With the obvious improvements to the 2011+ suspensions, the R/T is a VERY compelling alternative to a used SRT IMO. The 392 is a class by itself. However, it is not AS fast AS I thought it might be but noticeably better than my 6.1L.

They want $42,864 for the YJ. MSRP is $47,615. Invoice is right around $45,965, so they are basically $100.00 below invoice in their selling price, and then minus the 2K for the coupon. I think they can go lower IMO, but the only option on this car is the YJ package, so they probably cannot deal as much as a loaded one. I'd be basically looking at a 15-16K upgrade by the time I took it out the door, which is a LOT. They are offering me 29K on my car which is a 2010 loaded DY SRT with 6600 miles. The guy said they would most likely supercharge it and sell it with a warranty in the low to mid 40s like they did with the B5 2010 SRT they had there.
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If I were in your shoes, I would invest $9K in your current car's engine, $1K in it's suspension and pocket the remaining $5K.

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I am not going to get it and will hold onto my DY longer. When the car's styling is changed or a SC becomes available, I may revisit it OR I might go crazy get rid of my daily driver SC300 and the SRT and buy a R/T Classic and use it as my primary car and it would cost me no more money. We'll see...
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Very good write I am a tech for Dodge and have driven them all plus I own a 2010 SRT.Its really hard to justify trading a 2010 SRT for a 2012 or 13,there is some nice refinements but not enough to take a huge hit trading it in.You can do some small mods to the 6.1 to make it run almost as strong as a 392 aka exhaust,tuner,180 stat,and CAI will help it a ton plus you DY is rare and you do not see alot of them running the streets.

FYI working for Dodge for 18 years we have 392 sitting on the lots for months and months since they came out in 2010 we could not keep SRT on the lots there were people buying them right off the transporters.We have a Yellow Jacket on the lot right now that we have had since March and I dont think the door has been cracked in months..

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That is a good write up. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

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Great write-up! I love my 392...and I'm glad I went with the AUTO. One thing I would love to get some feedback on is the 2012 SRT suspension compared to the older years. There is a drastic difference in handling when you press that sport button...

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