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Old 07-10-2009, 04:49 PM
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Hi Patrick,

This Frank from Vortech. I was the first person you talked to on Tuesday. I'm sorry you're so disappointed in our customer service. We tried our best to help you. I don't understand how you got the impression there was no sense of urgency. We overnighted the programmer. I know you were upset that you couldn't get a hold of us right away but as I explained the phones were down all day on Monday ( Telephone and 911 service down in parts of Ventura County : Breaking : Ventura County Star ). You make some good points in your post and we're looking into offering install manuals with color photos, and emailing customers their tune. I'm glad BMC and Diablo were able to help you and that you received the replacement programmer we sent you on time. Our apologies, the install manual has also been updated.

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Old 07-10-2009, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostnHEMIs View Post
Hi Patrick,

This Frank from Vortech. I was the first person you talked to on Tuesday. I'm sorry you're so disappointed in our customer service. We tried our best to help you. I don't understand how you got the impression there was no sense of urgency. We overnighted the programmer. I know you were upset that you couldn't get a hold of us right away but as I explained the phones were down all day on Monday ( Telephone and 911 service down in parts of Ventura County : Breaking : Ventura County Star ). You make some good points in your post and we're looking into offering install manuals with color photos, and emailing customers their tune. I'm glad BMC and Diablo were able to help you and that you received the replacement programmer we sent you on time. Our apologies, the install manual has also been updated.

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See this is why forums are great. Always two sides to a story. Now i'm not trying to point out any blame or say one side is right or wrong here. But take it how you will, as the biggest thing i see here is that something was pointed out, and if they keep there side up now as stated, it will be better for the next person who buys one. Still might not be perfect but should be an improvement. Good job on both parties involved even if it's not 100% should now be ever so slightly better.
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Originally Posted by BoostnHEMIs View Post
Hi Patrick,

This Frank from Vortech. I was the first person you talked to on Tuesday. I'm sorry you're so disappointed in our customer service. We tried our best to help you. I don't understand how you got the impression there was no sense of urgency. We overnighted the programmer. I know you were upset that you couldn't get a hold of us right away but as I explained the phones were down all day on Monday ( Telephone and 911 service down in parts of Ventura County : Breaking : Ventura County Star ). You make some good points in your post and we're looking into offering install manuals with color photos, and emailing customers their tune. I'm glad BMC and Diablo were able to help you and that you received the replacement programmer we sent you on time. Our apologies, the install manual has also been updated.

-Frank
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Frank, emailing the tunes would be awesome especially for folks that already have a Diablo! I kno we would love it if that was an option from you guys!
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Frank, actually you were the only one who tried to help, by putting me in touch with your tech department.

Unfortunately, you're in sales, not in tech, and once I reached them, the attitude changed significantly.

Mariano was unwilling to even entertain e-mailing me a tune, as it was in his words "something the company just does not do."

He was also insistent I either provide him with a credit card number or a tracking number of the returning Predator BEFORE he would send me the correct replacement unit.

By the way, he also fully expected me to pay shipping to return YOUR INCORRECT UNIT.

I finally gave him my card number, and I asked him to please e-mail me the tracking info once the item shipped, to which he agreed.

Although he said he would e-mail me, it never happened. Another example of your company's lack of follow through.


While I had him on the phone, I asked him several questions;

What's the intercooler capacity?
(You had said you thought it was 2.5 gallons, but I didn't think that was accurate.)
Mariano responded that he had never measured the capacity.
BTW, it's about 1.5 gallons.

I asked him about the MSD and got a vague answer about a running change made by MSD and that he wasn't sure about the relay.

I asked him about the Gilmer belt tension and was told to make it "snug".

I asked if there was a deflection measurement and he said he was "unaware of one."

I asked him about the fuse layout as there is no picture of the Challenger fuse box, only of the 300 and the Charger.
I offered that the Challenger fuse box appeared to look like the 300 and he said to "go ahead use it then."

I then asked whether to put in on fuse 6 like on the 300. He responded uncertainly "Sure."
When I told him the fuse only got power when it was running he said "well maybe it wasn't correct then, just find a full time power on fuse."

His attitude throughout the entire encounter was dismissive and arrogant.


It took several more phone calls over a couple of hours to finally speak to Jamie, your GM.

When I finally did reach him his attitude was more of I was a nuisance rather than a purchaser of a $6000.00 plus supercharger system that was incomplete due to his company's mistake, with a car that was torn down in the middle of my shop floor.

We discussed that I was unable to start it, and it would have to remain there till the next day when UPS delivered the correct Predator.

He flatly stated that "The company did not e-mail tunes as then anyone could use them. "

He did however say he had not charged my card, and would send a call tag for the incorrect unit.
Finally, a glimmer of customer service.


Later that day when I called him on the defective weld on the transfer pipe, his response verbatim was "We don't manufacture that part, so we have no control over the quality of it, but I'll send you a new one."

At that time I asked him to also send me another Gates 90 degree intercooler hose.
He asked me which one, I told him all 4 of the 90 degree hoses are the same.

Guess, what? I didn't get the Gates hose I requested, I got a 90 degree INTAKE hose. That's a hell of a track record, guess he either wasn't paying attention, didn't care, or didn't follow through to make sure the CORRECT item got sent. Do you see a pattern here?


So let's recap; other than you trying to get me to the correct people, your company fell down on multiple points:

Vortech sent me an incomplete kit with an incorrect programmer.

The tech guy was unhelpful, did not have much knowledge of the kit, and had a poor attitude.

He also failed to follow up and e-mail the tracking info.

Your GM was unwilling to go the extra mile and resolve my issue, treated me like an interruption to his day, and finally didn't follow through by sending me the incorrect hose.

Lastly, not a single person from your company contacted me to follow up if everything turned out o.k..


Now, here's how this could have all been different, had just one of your people followed basic customer service principles and resolved my issue by e-mailing a tune to get the car running and out of the middle of my shop floor.

My post would have been along the lines of how I had installed the Vortech this weekend, and although there were a couple of issues, you guys had gone above and beyond to resolve them.

Furthermore, while I still would have posted my review of your manual, I would have also included that I had marked up the manual with some suggested improvements / technical data and was sending you a copy, and that I was sure you guys would be looking at them.


Hopefully your company may learn from this rather than to bury their head in the sand.


I have no doubts that at this point I'm persona non grata at Vortech, and if anything were to go wrong, I'm on my own.

I knew that prior to making my initial post, but I'm a big believer in both customer service and holding people accountable.

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If they are so worried about the tune, they can lock it out so no one can open it to look at. Techco emails the locked tune to the installer (me in my case) and you can put it in with your own Diablo predator. That service you received sounds like they are only concerned with there "Top tier" installers and not the person that wants the satisfaction of doing it themselves. It's ashamed you had gotten that far. I would have taken it off and shipped it back.
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Originally Posted by BoostnHEMIs View Post
I'm glad BMC and Diablo were able to help you .

-Frank
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After reading your post again I guess that's my point; Vortech, the manufacturer and shipper of the product, CHOSE not to resolve the issue in a timely fashion, BMC and Diablo, neither of whom having a horse in this race, resolved the problem within 45 minutes.

If you also add the overall attitude of your company, and the lack of follow through / follow up, maybe you can see why I experienced no sense of urgency and poor customer service from Vortech.

I'm done beating this horse, I've laid out what my issues were with your company, as well as how Vortech could have handled them better.

I've also said more than once, in this thread, that it's a good product, just the company supporting it leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe as a result, the next guy instaling it himself will have a better experience.
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After reading your post again I guess that's my point; Vortech, the manufacturer and shipper of the product, CHOSE not to resolve the issue in a timely fashion, BMC and Diablo, neither of whom having a horse in this race, resolved the problem within 45 minutes.

If you also add the overall attitude of your company, and the lack of follow through / follow up, maybe you can see why I experienced no sense of urgency and poor customer service from Vortech.

I'm done beating this horse, I've laid out what my issues were with your company, as well as how Vortech could have handled them better.

I've also said more than once, in this thread, that it's a good product, just the company supporting it leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe as a result, the next guy instaling it himself will have a better experience.
Have a good one!
I appreciate your review and the professional manner in which it was laid out. Good job.

I wish everyone gave as much detail when dealing with product.
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I wonder how many sales of Vortechs were lost due to this thread?

If a part is included within the SC kit, the end user doesn't care who manufactures the part. Make it right and hold the excuses. The manufacturer should take it up with the supplier after settling things with the customer. If the supplier can't or won't improve things, find another supplier.
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I for one will be very hesitant to go with Vortech when I am ready to SC. Customer service is #1 priority. Any company can sell a product / kit that might have some issues, which sometimes are expected, but to fail backing up your product is NG! And last but not least, not to follow up with a phone call to see how you made out??? That is unacceptable!
Thanks again for your honest feedback
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