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Old 12-12-2012, 04:47 PM
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I've been in the union for the past 15 years.I can say that I disagree with about 80% of the crap that the union files grievances over. But I dont think I would have as much pay and benifits were I working a non-union job of the same type. It burns my ass reading about folks getting high on the job and being represented by the union and probably getting admin pay while out. I work hard and so do most of my co-workers,it makes us all look bad in peoples eyes when this is the only impression of a union worker they have. Guys, not all union workers are like that and I for one am ashamed for them. Please dont think that all union workers agree with everything the union does.
Thanks for this, and I agree.
I'm a union construction worker in Illinois and I work my ass off, and have for over 30 years. All of my coworkers do the same.
We are paid a very good wage, and we EARN it. I am not ashamed of being in a union, though I"m not blind to some things the unions do. It burns my ass when I see things like this, however as stated above, don't judge all of us like that.
I'd rather be supported by collective bargaining then trying to go one on one with a corporation who doesnt give a rats ass about your health and welfare and wage except to give as little as possible.

For all of you out there who wants to see unions disappear or at least be much weaker, remember, we ARE the middle class, the middle class who seems to be fading in this country.
Soon you will have the rich and the poor, and nothing in between. It's mostly the middle class who spend and make the economy hum along. What's happened in the last 5 years? Most middle class earnings are down probably half, that is if you still have a job.
I know mine are.
Take away all the unions and see what your employer would want to pay you, it aint gonna be anywhere close to that.

And you can't tell me it's only unions that do questionable things sometimes, a lot of corporations/government/politicians/people etc. Not saying it makes it right, just saying it's universal.

So before you condemn all union workers, think of the men and women, especially in the construction trades who work in sun,rain,snow,heat,cold, outside repairing or installing roads and bridges, building homes and building stores,office buildings,skyscrapers etc, whilst trying to stay safe and and in one piece.
As a roadworker here, my life is within a few feet of being obliterated every day because of people who are always in a hurry and are too busy texting or talking on the phone to notice the bright green clothing and caution signs and flaggers and barricades and god knows what else we have to put up to not get killed every day.
As a union worker, I'll never apologize for the wage I make, and I earn every f****** penny of it. Everyday.




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Thanks for this, and I agree.
I'm a union construction worker in Illinois and I work my ass off, and have for over 30 years. All of my coworkers do the same.
We are paid a very good wage, and we EARN it. I am not ashamed of being in a union, though I"m not blind to some things the unions do. It burns my ass when I see things like this, however as stated above, don't judge all of us like that.
I'd rather be supported by collective bargaining then trying to go one on one with a corporation who doesnt give a rats ass about your health and welfare and wage except to give as little as possible.

For all of you out there who wants to see unions disappear or at least be much weaker, remember, we ARE the middle class, the middle class who seems to be fading in this country.
Soon you will have the rich and the poor, and nothing in between. It's mostly the middle class who spend and make the economy hum along. What's happened in the last 5 years? Most middle class earnings are down probably half, that is if you still have a job.
I know mine are.
Take away all the unions and see what your employer would want to pay you, it aint gonna anywhere close to that.

And you can't tell me it's only unions that do questionable things sometimes, a lot of corporations/government/politicians/people etc. Not saying it makes it right, just saying it's universal.

So before you condemn all union workers, think of the men and women, especially in the construction trades who work in sun,rain,snow,heat,cold, outside repairing or installing roads and bridges, building homes and building stores,office buildings,skyscrapers etc, whilst trying to stay safe and and in one piece.
As a roadworker here, my life is within a few feet of being obliterated every day because of people who are always in a hurry and are too busy texting or talking on the phone to notice the bright green clothing and caution signs and flaggers and barricades and god knows what else we have to put up to not get killed every day.
As a union worker, I'll never apologize for the wage I make, and I earn every f****** penny of it. Everyday.




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Not to mention that the construction union workers are the best trained at lest the equipment operators are. Here in Wisconsin we have one of the best training centers with some of the newest equipment and techniques plus the certification that we need to be on the job. You don't get that with nonunion labor.



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The union is required by law to defend these individuals right or wrong. This decision was made by an arbritrator not the union or company. I have worked for a union my whole life and have better benefits then anyone I know. Without the union I doubt that would be the case. Is everything the union does good? Of course not! But for you people to condemn every union worker because of what you THINK you know! Based on a news story here or their. My union has done more for charity then you could possibly imagine. Don't see that on the news. There are bad apples everywhere in and out of unions. Right to work is poison and your foolish to believe otherwise. Instead of basing your information on a news story that most likely is biased in one way or another educate yourself about the issue. The middle class only exist because of unions. Without the union it will and is disappearing.


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I'm a 2nd generation proud union worker with CWA local 6733 and I couldn't agree more. There is good and bad union employees out there but the majority of us are hard working middle class Americans and although I don't agree with what happened here I do believe it's not a fair representation of what we are all about.


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well my intention of the thread was not to bash union workers in general.
certainly there are many union workers with great work ethics.
My opinion though is that the UAW (who builds our cars) (or the CAW for the challenger) backed a bunch of dirt bags that they KNEW had done wrong and they stuck up for them anyway.
right to work, forced unionism, collective bargaining etc can be debated elsewhere
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As far as the comment above about union labor being the best trained, equipt, etc..
YOU SURE BETTER BE - CHARGING CUSTOMERS / END USERS / AMERICANS 3X regular wage.
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Thanks for this, and I agree.
I'm a union construction worker in Illinois and I work my ass off, and have for over 30 years. All of my coworkers do the same.
We are paid a very good wage, and we EARN it. I am not ashamed of being in a union, though I"m not blind to some things the unions do. It burns my ass when I see things like this, however as stated above, don't judge all of us like that.
I'd rather be supported by collective bargaining then trying to go one on one with a corporation who doesnt give a rats ass about your health and welfare and wage except to give as little as possible.

For all of you out there who wants to see unions disappear or at least be much weaker, remember, we ARE the middle class, the middle class who seems to be fading in this country.
Soon you will have the rich and the poor, and nothing in between. It's mostly the middle class who spend and make the economy hum along. What's happened in the last 5 years? Most middle class earnings are down probably half, that is if you still have a job.
I know mine are.
Take away all the unions and see what your employer would want to pay you, it aint gonna be anywhere close to that.

And you can't tell me it's only unions that do questionable things sometimes, a lot of corporations/government/politicians/people etc. Not saying it makes it right, just saying it's universal.

So before you condemn all union workers, think of the men and women, especially in the construction trades who work in sun,rain,snow,heat,cold, outside repairing or installing roads and bridges, building homes and building stores,office buildings,skyscrapers etc, whilst trying to stay safe and and in one piece.
As a roadworker here, my life is within a few feet of being obliterated every day because of people who are always in a hurry and are too busy texting or talking on the phone to notice the bright green clothing and caution signs and flaggers and barricades and god knows what else we have to put up to not get killed every day.
As a union worker, I'll never apologize for the wage I make, and I earn every f****** penny of it. Everyday.






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16 years in chem plant ops, I see the union as a necessary evil in my field as it allows us (employees) the ability to stop unsafe and even deadly practices when the company pushes for production at all costs. Without the union here we would see more lives lost as undertrained /undereducated workers replaced those currently on site. At a lower wage they would simply burn thru people-literally. Unfortunately the unions are as evil as the corporations they counterbalance (in my field). I am in a "right to work" state and there is no law that says you cannot collectively bargain, but you cannot be required to join a union as a matter of employment. That is a good thing IMO There are companies in this industry that pay well and value their emplyees, you will see no union activity there, but many companies in this field need a union to counterbalance corporate greed and disdain for their employees.
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Perhaps it is the union leadership being the problem; not necessarily the workers themselves - except where the workers turn a deaf ear when their leadership fails to make the correct civil and rational decision to expel workers who overtly reflect poorly on the union.

What would happen if some of those Durango's or Cherokees' have safety issues? What then? Is Chrysler to blame?

Is there a place for unions still - perhaps; but ... I am not sure I understand where. Is it a a fear of competition?

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IMO the unions should have the best interest of their members. Not be bullies to the extend when they tarnish their image. Members should be free to choose. And if you refuse there's gonna be backlash.
Unfortunately the bosses tactics gives the general public a bad reputation.
Just today Hoffa announced that there gonna be a "civil war between the unions and the gov of Michigan" and the evil, vicious tweets that's out there from them is very disturbing.
Common sense says if drink and get high while ur on the clock, you should be fired. And still the decision to put these workers back to work says a lot.
You think if the division went against the uaw workers there wouldn't be payback to whomever made that decision?
Got nothing against the union workers themselves. The only thing I'd say is you guys ( union members) don't like what the union bosses r doing, you should speak up. But then again you can't, because you know there's gonna be retaliation. Members, if you do concerned about the union image, you should act and sit behind sidelines and be used. That's y ur loosing membership, specially during the last 4 yrs ( down about 4%). Stand up and speak up and hold ur bosses accountable.


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I don't have the time to read this entire thread but I have worked in 2 "at will" states in the casino industry and it is a joke the things these companies can do to their employees. Hold them hostage. Forced overtime. Laying employees off just to cut their benefits and pay just to hire them back at a reduced rate the very next week. I've seen it all. They have to meet in the middle somehow
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