Is the LX platform a Full Frame then?

[MoparMuscle]

Originally Posted by ND RAM

The Chevelle was a full-frame car but there haven't been many since, most notably the Viper and Corvette.

So how about the mustangs with a cobra jet, and the challengers, and chargers, and all the high performance cars that came from factory with 400+ horse didn't twist the heck out of the "unibodies"?

[ND RAM]

Originally Posted by MoparMuscle

So how about the mustangs with a cobra jet, and the challengers, and chargers, and all the high performance cars that came from factory with 400+ horse didn't twist the heck out of the "unibodies"?

Yes but that's where subframe connectors come in. When you put in subframe connectors of a roll cage you will often improve your e.t. because it stiffens up the chassis. Dad's `Cuda had a 383 with a Sox & Martin cam in it and when it was gutted to begin its restoration there were severa; stress fractures in it. The most notable was a 3"-4" crack right under the rear seat. This would be a problem with the new Challenger and if your gonna full out race one I'd invest in a good set of frame connectors.

[MoparMuscle]

Really.... that really comes as a suprise... i could have sworn that all them old muscle cars had full frame bodies... But my buddy had an 81 camaro, that was a unibody, and he was pushin around 430 horse. He didn't full out race it, it was his daily driver but he had a little heavy foot, but after a while the doors were kind of gettin to be a pain in the ass to close, because of the body twisting cuz he didn't have sub-frame connectors in it. But would dodge release the challenger say if they had the 6.4 500hp without a full frame?? Would it withstand it or would there be a problem closing the doors on that baby once you put a few miles on it. That's all i'm sayin... don't know much about F bodies E bodies B bodies G bodies etc... so i don't know for sure for sure if there was full-frames in the old school muscle cars, btu always had thought there was...

[HEMIDON]

Originally Posted by MoparMuscle

OK... Wow.. you're an idiot. OK.. since the 60's... OK so how about the 70 challenger... no.. i bet that WASNT a full frame.. NOT. obviously it was. Challenger, Cuda, GTO, Chevelle, Torino, Mustang, Camaro, Satelite, etc. All full frames there bud. And that's just mentioning a few. Ok so anyone else wanna comment on my question? Cuz obviously this guy doesn't know.

Let me shed some light here... As far back as I can remember all Mopar cars were unibody with a front cradle / subframe they called a K frame. The torsion bars were secured to a seperate body mounted crossmember that also held the transmission mount. Sorry, the old Cuda and Satelite platforms, along with the Road Runner style, even the Fury and big Chryslers were all considered Unibody cars. Dodge trucks are full frame but, vans are unibody. Ford Torino and Mustangs are unibody with a suspension / engine mount cradle and Pinto's too. GM A body cars (Chevelle type body) were Body-on-Frame full frame cars along with Vetts untill the C4's bonded hydroform intergal structure. Camaro's ,from 1967 untill '81, had a unibody rear shell with a front stub frame. In '82 the Camaro had a full unibody construction. The '67 - 81 F body (Camaro/Firebird) design was first used by GM in '65 on the first Nova. The Nova replaced a Unibody car that GM produced from '60 to '64 ( I don't remember the platform designation. It had a front engine and a rear transaxle) . Remember the old Corvairs, they were unibody. Unibody structure cars have been around since the '40's. How about VW Bugs? Even though the body was bolted to the floor pan they are considered to be a unibody design

The DCX LX platform is a full UNIBODY structural design. The front and rear suspension is mounted to an isolated cradle. The cradles are used to increase the strength of the suspension mount areas without having to over design the body structure. The LX front cradle also holds the engine mounts but the transmission crossmember is bolted to the floor pan. The front springs and upper control arms are mounted in the front apron structure. The rear springs along with the shocks are mounted to the inner quarter structure. All of the rear suspension control arms are bolted to the cradle

[MoparMuscle]

Originally Posted by HEMIDON

Let me shed some light here... As far back as I can remember all Mopar cars were unibody with a front cradle / subframe they called a K frame. The torsion bars were secured to a seperate body mounted crossmember that also held the transmission mount. Sorry, the old Cuda and Satelite platforms, along with the Road Runner style, even the Fury and big Chryslers were all considered Unibody cars. Dodge trucks are full frame but, vans are unibody. Ford Torino and Mustangs are unibody with a suspension / engine mount cradle and Pinto's too. GM A body cars (Chevelle type body) were Body-on-Frame full frame cars along with Vetts untill the C4's bonded hydroform intergal structure. Camaro's ,from 1967 untill '81, had a unibody rear shell with a front stub frame. In '82 the Camaro had a full unibody construction. The F body (Camaro/Firebird) design was first used by GM in '64 on the first Nova. Unibody structure cars have been around since the '40's.

The DCX LX platform is a full UNIBODY structural design. The front and rear suspension is mounted to an isolated cradle. The cradles are used to increase the strength of the suspension mount areas without having to over design the body structure. The LX front cradle also holds the engine mounts but the transmission crossmember is bolted to the floor pan.

Ok now it's starting to make sense. Thanks HEMIDON, you did shine some light on the situation. Lol.

[Sr4tuner]

ok it's settled put down your gunsi raise the white flag

[MoparMuscle]

Originally Posted by Sr4tuner

ok it's settled put down your gunsi raise the white flag

Never took my guns out

[ND RAM]

Originally Posted by MoparMuscle

Never took my guns out

You were pretty quick to dismiss my answer to your question, rudely at that, but I'd killed ya if we were actually gonna get into it.

Well at least now ya know.

[MoparMuscle]

Originally Posted by ND RAM

You were pretty quick to dismiss my answer to your question, rudely at that, but I'd killed ya if we were actually gonna get into it.

Well at least now ya know.

Nah man i'm cool I was jus in a crabby mood I shouldn't of been like that bout it.

[Dutch]

I can tell you guys that all Mopars from about 1960+ are unibodies, except Imperials stayed body-on-frame until 1967. 1966 and older Imperials are not allowed in most demolition derbies because they're practically indestructible. Chevy and Ford kept making body-on-frame cars longer than Mopar, but both had lots of unibodies by the late '60s.

And for new cars, the Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis/Lincoln Town Car are all body-on-frame.

And for Mopars, the body styles for the muscle car era were as follows:

A body was the small cars, Dodge Dart, Plymouth Valiant, early Barracudas
B body was the mid-sizes, Coronet, Charger, Road Runner, etc.
C body was the full size, including all Chryslers, Dodge Polara and Monaco and Plymouth Fury
E body were the newer ('70+ I believe) Barracuda and all Cudas and Dodge Challengers

All of these cars were unibody.

Unibody cars were adopted because they're stronger, stiffer, and lighter than body-on-frame designs (generally speaking). Your friend's doors sagged because those cars had huge, heavy doors and the hinges were probably getting tired. Saggy doors used to be a common problem back when large 2-doors roamed the Earth.