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08-23-2015 03:20 PM
19johned53
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Originally Posted by DougandMichelle View Post
Has there been any reports yet of a 392 A5 failure?

I haven't heard of any A5 392 failures, and I hope that it stays that way!
08-23-2015 01:05 PM
DougandMichelle Has there been any reports yet of a 392 A5 failure?
08-23-2015 11:40 AM
15hrs to Frisco Good to know.
Hard to believe with all the testing under virtually any condition imaginable that something like this could happen.
08-23-2015 10:52 AM
mjb4450
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Originally Posted by 15hrs to Frisco View Post
I've been skimming through this thread with great interest.
I'll get to the point: I have a '15 R/T 8A that has a production date of 10-14. Is this problem confined to the 2009-2011 cars or is this something I need to worry about with my car? If I'm out of the wood on this issue what did they do to remedy this problem?
Sucks that this had to happen to anyone. Sure takes a lot of the fun out of owning one of these cool cars.

You have no worries. The guide for the timing chain was originally hard plastic. Apparently the vibrations from the MDS kicking in (6-speeds did not experience any failures) wore on it and they cracked at the mount bolt holes resulting in the timing chain to go loose and break. They then had a nylon guide for a short while and then produced an aluminum guide with a nylon shoe or pad attached to it. No failures since. This is not an issue for your car at all.
08-23-2015 10:42 AM
15hrs to Frisco I've been skimming through this thread with great interest.
I'll get to the point: I have a '15 R/T 8A that has a production date of 10-14. Is this problem confined to the 2009-2011 cars or is this something I need to worry about with my car? If I'm out of the wood on this issue what did they do to remedy this problem?
Sucks that this had to happen to anyone. Sure takes a lot of the fun out of owning one of these cool cars.
08-02-2015 06:24 PM
fxef79
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Originally Posted by RNashCPA View Post
Here's some real irony. Even though my TC broke on 11/13/13 and the dealer had the car for four weeks getting approvals and replacement items (such as two brand new heads, all sixteen valve pushrods, etc.) and (I believe) after my constant emailing, phone calls and generally non-stop contact with Pietro and Jill the P01 TC recall came out on 2/12/14, my car still shows the recall as an open item!!!

I am now seriously considering taking it to the dealer and telling them to "do it again".

Very frustrating, for over 16 months I have tried to get them to remove the "open recall" from my records but it remains.
RNashCPA - Ours still shows P01 yet to be performed, as well. Mine is the one that we reported just about a week after yours, on 11/21/13. Initial repair was done by one dealership, including (besides the timing chaing assembly), 4 valves and pushrods. The following January the engine and heads were replaced by a different dealership.

Still shows P01. I've tried many times talking to the dealership and they just keep saying "eventually it will go away".
07-30-2015 07:11 PM
ScottG
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Originally Posted by pdx.challenger View Post
Yes, you want to believe one way & nothing will change your mind so feel free.



If it had been "let go", many more Challenger owners would have broken timing chains.

No, I meant let your concerns go that this will bankrupt FCA or that CPA's are in cahoots to hide the financial condition of the co.
Neither is the case.
07-30-2015 07:08 PM
pdx.challenger
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Originally Posted by ScottG View Post
CPA firms don't make a practice of lying for their customers.
Yes, you want to believe one way & nothing will change your mind so feel free.

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Originally Posted by ScottG View Post
My advice is to let it go.
If it had been let go, many more Challenger owners would have broken timing chains, possibly yourself included.

07-30-2015 02:47 PM
ScottG
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Originally Posted by RWL11 View Post
Sarbanes Oxley is the reason why:
"Provisions of the Sarbanes Oxley Act (aka SOX, SARBOX or S-O) detail criminal and civil penalties for noncompliance, certification of internal auditing, and increased financial disclosure. It affects public U.S. companies and non-U.S. companies with a U.S. presence. SOX is all about corporate governance and financial disclosure.
The Sarbanes Oxley Act requires all financial reports to include an Internal Controls Report. This shows that a company's financial data accurate and adequate controls are in place to safeguard financial data. Year-end financial disclosure reports are also a requirement. A SOX auditor is required to review controls, policies, and procedures during a Section 404 audit.
SOX auditing requires that internal controls and procedures can be audited using a control framework like COBIT. Log collection and monitoring systems must provide an audit trail of all access and activity to sensitive business information.
Sarbanes-Oxley also encourages the disclosure of corporate fraud by protecting whistleblower employees of publicly traded companies or their subsidiaries who report illegal activities. Section 806 of Sarbanes Oxley the Act authorizes the U.S. Department of Labor to protect whistleblower complaints against employers who retaliate and further authorizes the Department of Justice to criminally charge those responsible for the retaliation."
Sarbanes Oxley 101: SOX Compliance Requirements for 302, 404, 906

LOL, well that sure took a long time. Regardless of some obscure legal ease you find, CPA firms don't make a practice of lying for their customers. You want to believe one way and nothing will change your mind so feel free.
My advice is to let it go.
07-30-2015 01:33 PM
RWL11
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Originally Posted by ScottG View Post
You have to understand how financial reports are written. They are done by independent accounting firms that are held to tight legal guidelines and they will not write creative reports to hide anything. They rely on their good name for business and after being involved in dozens of them, I can assure you they will not do anything dishonest.
Now a co. like FCA may report nonsense to the media but that's a whole different issue than the CPA's firms reports.
Sarbanes Oxley is the reason why:
"Provisions of the Sarbanes Oxley Act (aka SOX, SARBOX or S-O) detail criminal and civil penalties for noncompliance, certification of internal auditing, and increased financial disclosure. It affects public U.S. companies and non-U.S. companies with a U.S. presence. SOX is all about corporate governance and financial disclosure.
The Sarbanes Oxley Act requires all financial reports to include an Internal Controls Report. This shows that a company's financial data accurate and adequate controls are in place to safeguard financial data. Year-end financial disclosure reports are also a requirement. A SOX auditor is required to review controls, policies, and procedures during a Section 404 audit.
SOX auditing requires that internal controls and procedures can be audited using a control framework like COBIT. Log collection and monitoring systems must provide an audit trail of all access and activity to sensitive business information.
Sarbanes-Oxley also encourages the disclosure of corporate fraud by protecting whistleblower employees of publicly traded companies or their subsidiaries who report illegal activities. Section 806 of Sarbanes Oxley the Act authorizes the U.S. Department of Labor to protect whistleblower complaints against employers who retaliate and further authorizes the Department of Justice to criminally charge those responsible for the retaliation."
Sarbanes Oxley 101: SOX Compliance Requirements for 302, 404, 906
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