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OMG...classic praiseV8. Right and wrong is highly subjective...do you read what you type? If you don't know right from wrong...maybe the government should restrict your individual freedom.
Okay, sure bud, because I have a different opinion to what right and wrong is (see: subjective), I belong in jail. And people ask me why I don't want more government.

We can both agree that this man broke the law, multiple times.
We can both agree that he should be punished.
We can both agree that he should not have the same freedoms as everyone else, because of it.

We disagree on the fact that you think the government is both trustworthy and responsible enough to prevent this.

Laws and their consequences are what prevent this. Slowly limiting your freedoms until you're not allowed to leave your home without government supervision, is idiotic at best.

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1) How does saying you don't give a rat's ass equate...no wait...I do care? Stop back pedaling and own up to what you originally wrote...your point was, you don't care about other people's lives...what is more important to you is your interpretation of individual freedom is not compromised.
I don't give a rat's ass about giving up freedoms because some idiot broke the law and did stupid shit.

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2) How does throwing in alcohol tie into your point about preserving individual freedom? Government says you can't drink it while driving a car, if you do you go to jail. For people who do not know that is wrong, the government steps in and requires a breathalyzer (for a short period of time) to be installed in their vehicle and blow below a 0.08 otherwise the car won't start. Ah but your point is you want to have the freedom to do so if you choose and if you accidentally kill someone while doing it well hell at least your individual freedom was not compromised.
I know, this has been my point the entire time, you're preaching to the choir. Alcohol induced accidents are WAY more prevalent than high speed chases.

I want the freedom to be able to drink AND own a high performance car, so I can make the choice to stay home and drink responsibly, because I'm an adult.

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3) WTH are you talking about...where in my posts did I defend alcohol or refuse to "give up drink" over individual freedom? I said alcohol (just like guns....and fast cars) doesn't cause problems by itself it is irresponsible people using alcohol that do. How did you interpret that as me not wanting to give up drink?

From your interpretation of "individual freedom" it sounds like you are against the government tracking and prohibiting where sex offenders live as it violates their individual freedom.
You get defensive about alcohol, even though it's a more prevalent problem than high speed chases.


Sex offenders broke the law. What law did I break when I bought my car that justifies giving the government my location and ability to disable my car?




I guess you already think I'm guilty of something if you want me in jail...

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Agreed and you are the one blowing it out of proportion by pulling other examples of how the government can F you over. BTW this is not the first time the HC made news because of its ability to reach high speeds...so your argument that is not more frequent is flawed.
Because an article about some idiot in his Corolla doesn't generate as many clicks/views as a sports car gunning it down the freeway.

Oh no, 5 idiots out of hundreds of thousands of Challenger owners made the news, discontinue the entire line and recall every single vehicle!



Christ, this is the same bullshit I hear about gun control, except cars aren't a protected right under the bill of rights...
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This thread looks like fun...I’m not for more government, that’s never a good thing.

But I’ll add one thing, if you want your civil liberties, don’t break the law. 99% of people who are good citizens never have anything to worry about.

It’s going to happen eventually, cars are computers, they’ll be able to shut them down and stop these chases. But the reality is this...if you’re not looking to drink and drive illegally and you’re not looking to drive 100+ MOH down public roads and weave in and out of traffic, what do you have to worry about? The police aren’t worried about you if you’re obeying the laws set forth to keep everyone safe.


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This thread looks like fun...I’m not for more government, that’s never a good thing.

But I’ll add one thing, if you want your civil liberties, don’t break the law. 99% of people who are good citizens never have anything to worry about.

It’s going to happen eventually, cars are computers, they’ll be able to shut them down and stop these chases. But the reality is this...if you’re not looking to drink and drive illegally and you’re not looking to drive 100+ MOH down public roads and weave in and out of traffic, what do you have to worry about? The police aren’t worried about you if you’re obeying the laws set forth to keep everyone safe.


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Again, all of these assumptions are assuming that the government is trustworthy and responsible.

You guys realize the government is still staffed by human beings, right? I'm not trying to diminish their value, but they're beautiful and flawed just like the rest of us.

What kind of utopia are you all living in where the government is incorruptible? "Power corrupts" no longer applies?

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Of course humans and governments are flawed. But that doesn't mean that you stop trying to avoid situations like someone driving recklessly down the road at 120+ mph trying to get away from the cops. If we give the cops a way to stop these idiots, I think it will do more good than harm. The vast majority of cops are not "bad cops" or "corrupt". You give them the tools they need to do their jobs. If anything, you try to fix the corruption, not just say "this tactic could be used in a bad way - so let's not even try". This isn't about laws - it's about giving the cops the tools they need to do their jobs and stopping these idiots from killing innocent people. Pretty simple, really.
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Because an article about some idiot in his Corolla doesn't generate as many clicks/views as a sports car gunning it down the freeway.

Oh no, 5 idiots out of hundreds of thousands of Challenger owners made the news, discontinue the entire line and recall every single vehicle!



Christ, this is the same bullshit I hear about gun control, except cars aren't a protected right under the bill of rights...
Why does it always have to be gun control...how do you think the ATC (3 wheelers) was discontinued...handful of people where flipping them over and dying?!

It's is actually easier for me to buy a gun then it is an ATC.


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Why does it always have to be gun control...how do you think the ATC (3 wheelers) was discontinued...handful of people where flipping them over and dying?!

It's is actually easier for me to buy a gun then it is an ATC.
I am not too familiar with that, but I did some quick research.

It seems they were banned, but now manufacturers simply agreed not to make them. Clearly they thought that the expense of covering for people's hospital bills was more than simply designing and manufacturing a 4-wheeled vehicle that served the same purpose.

3-wheeled cars also quickly fell out of favor due to their instability.

Chances are, even if there wasn't a law preventing their sales, the free market would have deemed them unsafe and ceased to purchase them eventually.

Obviously that is all speculation, but it's easier to buy a 4 or 3 prong fork and than a 2 prong fork, and the government didn't ban them for a decade, so...
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Again, all of these assumptions are assuming that the government is trustworthy and responsible.

You guys realize the government is still staffed by human beings, right? I'm not trying to diminish their value, but they're beautiful and flawed just like the rest of us.

What kind of utopia are you all living in where the government is incorruptible? "Power corrupts" no longer applies?
So when it comes to government, you can't trust it because it is comprised of human beings which are flawed.

Yet, the government/society is supposed trust all individuals that own high speed vehicles that can out run the police to be trusted to never operate them at high speeds on public roads where it is illegal?

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Again, all of these assumptions are assuming that the government is trustworthy and responsible.

You guys realize the government is still staffed by human beings, right? I'm not trying to diminish their value, but they're beautiful and flawed just like the rest of us.

What kind of utopia are you all living in where the government is incorruptible? "Power corrupts" no longer applies?


Who said anything about a utopia? Don’t be such a fear monger. “Oh nooooo the government is after all my liberties.”

What exactly have you lost in your lifetime that the government took? I’ll wait. Maybe the government is tracking you, maybe they’re reading this right now. Hi Donald!

What do you have to hide that you’re so worried about? Your pornhub history? The times you sometimes speed? Like **** man, they really don’t give a shit about you, promise, you’re nobody to them lol. If they want to look at my internet history or see what pictures of puppies I liked on Instagram more power to em, it’s boring.


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I guess you already think I'm guilty of something if you want me in jail...
So now I am accused of saying you should be jailed.

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