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I have a mid muffler delete and got a ticket yesterday. I was cruising in sport mode in San Bruno and wasn't making noise or anything and a cop pulled up on me like I just killed someone or something. He made a big deal and made me turn my car on and rev it for him. I feel like I was targeted. Citation 27150a. I am putting my mufflers back on this Saturday and will pay the stupid ticket. Such BS.
Best thing to do to avoid getting pulled over is not to drive in sport mode. I think the ECO mode on a Scat Pack should be able to pass the new law's 95 decibel limit. I read that the fine can be as high as $1k plus reinstalling the factory exhaust system. There could be other fees as well as the car will have to be taken to a referee station for certification compliance. There is also a deadline to get your compliance certificate and go to court. If you are late, this could result in additional fines.
I wonder what all of the car hobbyist lobby groups & SEMA were doing when these laws were being proposed as well as the gas tax initiative. I never heard a single word from any of them and couldn't garner much interest in the topic at local C & C's that I have attended.
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Yeah, they say it's meant to stop sideshows, and now they have a cash cow. It's like red light cameras...all about the money. Granted the law has always been 95db, but unless you were being obnoxious, they didn't get you for just that. And now it means you replace exhaust, no fixit ticket, etc. It's a damn shame for all those great sounding muscle cars.

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It sounds like California is getting to be like Virginia.

any modifications - tint, lowered suspension, added on lighting, exhaust will get you in trouble there.

As related from a number of ex-Virginians that live in NC or SC have mentioned

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Holy crap this sucks. Hate it for you guys. I'm in NC and luckily here it's not like that yet.....and I hope it does not come to that here, or anywhere else.


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Sounds like something that was pushed in by some politicians who have $pecial agendas. No reasonable explanation for such a drastic new law other than it's a new year, new budget, and car enthusiasts are easy targets to shakedown in order to fill quotas.

It makes me remember I am fortunate to live in Saskatchewan. We're pretty laid back for the most part when it comes to to this kind of stuff. Unfortunately our neighbors in Manitoba aren't so lucky. To mbflatlander, I think laws like this in Canada and how they are enforced, are more of a provincial thing than federal. From what I've heard, Manitoba (Winnipeg in particular) is very hungry for motorist's money. More-so than other provinces.


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Man it sounds like Kalifornia is trying very hard to kill all the fun stuff for everyone, Someone must have found out the cost for most of the cat back systems and figured if one can afford a $800+ exhaust they can afford the ticket, Easy money...

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Man it sounds like Kalifornia is trying very hard to kill all the fun stuff for everyone, Someone must have found out the cost for most of the cat back systems and figured if one can afford a $800+ exhaust they can afford the ticket, Easy money...
I just read a little more about the new law. It doesn't say it is illegal to modify your exhaust although I wouldn't recommend removing your cats. As long as the decibel level of your exhaust is 95 & below you are good. You can ask for a re-test by going to court and taking your car to a referee station for testing. They will issue a certificate that your exhaust noise level is in compliance. The first offense fine is $25.00 plus court costs which will put the total a little over $200.00. The maximum fine is $1k after you have received several citations.
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It's not just the level in CA. The law explicitly states you are not allowed to remove or alter any emissions control device, nor modify the exhaust with the sole intention of making it louder. So muffler delete immediately fails that part. Using a louder muffler, that stays under the limit is something you might have to fight . Your only argument is that it makes the motor run better, therefore you did not do it solely to increase the sound.


Get it emissions tested, replace the muffler and hope that at least one thing went down. I'd try several stations and find one reading low...use that after the change

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Yeah, they say it's meant to stop sideshows, and now they have a cash cow. It's like red light cameras...all about the money. Granted the law has always been 95db, but unless you were being obnoxious, they didn't get you for just that. And now it means you replace exhaust, no fixit ticket, etc. It's a damn shame for all those great sounding muscle cars.

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Red light cameras in my area have gone away. I routinely pass through 2 intersections my dash cam warns me about having traffic cameras installed and I know these were removed some few years back.


There are other intersections too I go through, albeit less often, that have lost the red light cameras.



Turns out there was not as much money in it as cities thought.


I don't think this exhaust law is for money. I think it is a way to nail side show participants without having to launch an invasion sized force of law enforcement officers followed by high speed chases that would result along with the need for good air (helicopter) support to bust up these side shows.



The show will be busted up by the appearance of some police/CHP cruisers. Participating cars will scatter like ****roaches when the light is turned on. A ways away on the known exit routes other officers will be lying in wait and while every car won't get pulled over the ones that do will get ticketed and fined and perhaps even get confiscated.


The word will get out.
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It's not just the level in CA. The law explicitly states you are not allowed to remove or alter any emissions control device, nor modify the exhaust with the sole intention of making it louder. So muffler delete immediately fails that part. Using a louder muffler, that stays under the limit is something you might have to fight . Your only argument is that it makes the motor run better, therefore you did not do it solely to increase the sound.


Get it emissions tested, replace the muffler and hope that at least one thing went down. I'd try several stations and find one reading low...use that after the change

Don't know about San Diego but up here in (near) the SF Bay Area smog stations no longer use the exhaust gas sniffer. The tech just plugs a computer into the OBD2 port which sucks out some data/status info and from this the car either passes or it doesn't.


Oh, there is also some kind of inspection but with my Boxster the tech never bothered to expose the engine -- takes some work and he probably didn't know how but I would have done it had he asked -- and with my Turbo even though the engine could be exposed by just opening the engine cover he never did that either.


I expect when it comes time to get my Hellcat and my JCW inspected/tested because the engines are both located in the front the tech will be a bit more thorough.
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