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It sounds like Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) CEO Sergio Marchionne thinks diesel is dead.

Volkswagen‘s massive diesel scandal has already caused several automakers to pull their dieselmodels from the market, and now Marchionne’s comments suggests FCA is next. 'The disengagement is happening,' he said. 'Since dieselgate, the share of diesel sales has reduced month by month. There’s no point denying that, and it’s clear that the cost of making diesel reach the new standards is going to become prohibitive.'

His comments don’t come as a real surprise, especially since Marchionne is one of the more blunt CEOs out there. One could argue that other automakers are thinking the same, but are just afraid to say it.
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I concur. Diesel is nasty, dirty and going the way of the do-do, for cars.

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I concur with Jeremy Clarkson, “Diesel is the blood of the devil”
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I can see that for passenger vehicles and CUV / SUV segments.

Low gasoline prices, the higher price of diesel #2 (often .20 higher) plus the higher option cost of diesel engines has diminished the appeal of diesel passenger cars.

VW used to sell a higher percentage of diesel passenger cars - but since the emissions cheating came along - the market is pretty much gone away.

For heavy GVWR pickups (Ram 2500, 3500, etc) diesel power is the choice for towing or for the commercial chassis trucks over gasoline, since the torque and MPG of diesel power is more advantageous.

The CO2 emissions are another matter that diesel won't meet proposed future emission standards. If demand is slowing down by consumers, then little incentive for makers to expend more development on future diesel applications in passenger vehicles then.

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Diesels have relatively low CO2 emissions compared to an equivalent gas engine. The "issue" with some people is that they put out more NOX emissions, which stays localized around high traffic areas for a while and is blamed for respiratory problems. That's along with soot and particulate matter which is all very well controlled on modern diesels. The truth is, none of that is a real problem unless you live in horribly overpopulated busy cities in Europe, where older diesels are idling everywhere alongside high foot traffic. If you concentrate so much of one thing in one area, of course there is going to be too much of it. In North America, we don't really see that.

Of course, perception plays the biggest role. People think all diesels are nasty because of the VW thing, so sales hurt overall.
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I come from the old school, trucks are suppose to be work horses, not pretty candy ass "don't scratch my bed" rig.

Before my last truck I had a 66 Ford Custom cab, rubber floor mat, manual trans, manual windows, no ac and manual steering. Called her Louis, great truck. Bought her used for $1100.00, drove 110,000 miles over 10 years as a daily driver, sold $1400.00.

I replaced her with a new model year 2000 2500 Cummins Quad Cab. Manual windows, rubber floor mats and manual trans with limited slip. What a workhorse, first weekend I figured I'd get over the newness and took it out on the Black Rock playa, for the dust, drove up some trails and for some Nevada pin stripping from sage brush :-)

Next weekend loaded the bed with firewood, got the dings/scratches out of the way.

She is going on 18 years old and me at 63 this should easily be my last truck. Other than couple minor issues, the body/chassis/drive train is stought.

Now I just want the paint to get more weathered and get that old age patina going. I'll have a rig to cherrish.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, diesels are hard to beat for hauling heavy loads long distances. I've towed my 10,000 lbs boat and trailer up and down Donner Summit for 13 years now. Never a heat issue or hicup - just tugs the load up the hill without breaking a sweat.

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At least in the passenger car segment, EVs, primarily Teslas, will be making huge gains over the next 10 years, further decimating any benefits diesel may have had over gasoline engines.


Having said that, there will still be markets better suited to diesels, like heavy hauling and towing.
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Think Serg ever had to tow anything across the Rocky mountains?!
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