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diesel only really makes sense in the states for large trucks that need the power and torque. In their current concept for cars and 1/2 ton trucks(ecodiesel and now ford has one) when you crunch and run the numbers it really doesn't do much for you. If you look at the 1/2 application dodge has one and ford will soon, but when you look at power torque is pretty good but not miles ahead of gas engines, and the towing capacity is less of other platforms in the same line up. While MPG looks good at the onset when you figure the average vs the high, and the fact diesel cost more in most places and then combine it with the fact the engines cost 3-4k more, you really buying a diesel to buy a diesel, as with the trucks that have them in half tons your essentially buying a diesel engine that cost more to buy, cost more to run and maintain and gives you less capabilities. As for car when you put them against comparable cars in size that have gas engines there really is no real advantage, plenty of smaller cars getting in the 30-40mpg range that run on gas that again are cheaper to buy and cheaper to run and maintain.


I think so many people want diesel to work just because it diesel, its different, smells, blows smoke, loud etc, kind of like looking at a carnival ride. Not saying diesel is bad Ive had 3 of them in trucks. I just think gas engines all around are more logical choice for most needs.
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This is coming from an auto executive who thought Fiat was a viable auto company in North America, who thought Alfa Romeo was the next great auto marque, and who spent more time trying to part out the North American operations for sale to anyone - all in order to support the European market.

Jeep and Dodge truck [I refuse to call it R-m] are getting ripped off to subsidize the existence of the 500 line and the Giulia/Stelvio experiments.

Marchionne is hardly the Alan Mullaly of FCA.

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This is coming from an auto executive who thought Fiat was a viable auto company in North America, who thought Alfa Romeo was the next great auto marque, and who spent more time trying to part out the North American operations for sale to anyone - all in order to support the European market.

Jeep and Dodge truck [I refuse to call it R-m] are getting ripped off to subsidize the existence of the 500 line and the Giulia/Stelvio experiments.

Marchionne is hardly the Alan Mullaly of FCA.
Then maybe what you need in your life is a Ford.

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Fake news...

Diesel is cheaper than premium and on par with mid grade and they get better mileage as diesel by volume has more potential energy than gasoline. It can be as clean or cleaner than gasoline with uria injection systems as my 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Ecodiesel and my 2018 Ram 2500 Limited Cummins.

VW did not want to include this technology to cut cost and proceeded to cheat and in the process creating this false narrative.


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For those not familiar with urea (injection system). It's concentrated cow/pig urine...same stuff we use in the steel industry to "pickle" (etch) the surface of steel so that coatings will adhere. In short....it's friggin' acid. So to reduce the emissions of this foul fuel, you have a 5-8 gallon tank of concentrated, highly acidic farm-animal waste on-board which is injected into the exhaust, and that's supposed to be an improvement. Can't imagine there's be any corrosion issues here........or even worse smelling emissions.....Frankly, I rather see them all switch to biodiesel and run off of old french-fry grease. Following one of these diesels just makes you hungry.

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Oh lovely...

Does it smell of burnt piss?
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The raw fluid smells like a dairy barn. I've never burned cow piss in a diesel exhaust (who the hell thinks of such things), but I can't imagine it's going to smell like a bouquet of roses.
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Can someone summarize this diesel thing? I understand cheating, breaking the law, bad VW. That was wrong. With that out of the way, what was the real deal?

Did it polute more than they advertise? Was it still fuel effeicient? They still get the MPG? So it's like a burger that advertise 1,000 calories, but it's really 1,600 calories? But still taste great, and fills you up? They measure the calories without the cheese and the sauce. But it's really a cheese burger so they cheated and lied to the public.

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It was actually quite involved. They wrote software that sensed when the car was being tested. They then turned emissions equipment back on, such as diesel equivalent of catalytic converters and EGR valves and such. These systems were then turned off during normal driving, apparently for better gas mileage, or torque, etc. In "normal" mode, they were gross polluters. Some 40 times certain greenhouse gases. It was alleged that Mercedes did the same thing, but I never saw any big follow up on that. A Guy


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In "normal" mode, they were gross polluters. Some 40 times certain greenhouse gases. It was alleged that Mercedes did the same thing, but I never saw any big follow up on that. A Guy
Thanks, that's serious stuff (and it's not about just being green.) I guess that make sense, when you see "dark" exhaust, there is no way it can be clean as regular gas. There is a term for that, that I can't think of. Sort of like common sense.

I did want a Golf TDI, and actually test drove a 2010 Jetta TDI (new). I didn't buy it but I did want it as a daily driver. That is really too bad it can't be clean.

Now it makes sense. Sometimes we wonder why can manufactures don't make diesel engines (for MPG). It's because they know it "can't be done" cleanly. And probably knew VW was cheating.
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