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I don't know if you subscribe to Hemmings Muscle Machines like I do, but they have done full breakdowns on those F.A.S.T.(factory appearing, stock tires) cars and the engines are pretty modified, cars are lightened too. What's most impressive about those cars is the tires they run those times on! You put our powertrain in a car weighing 3200-3500 pounds and we would lift off into orbit!
Exactly, they are highly modified while appearing stock. Tricks like a motorcycle battery inside of a box that appears to be a real battery, Door hinges left loose so the chassis will flex, not to mention engine mods that can't be seen from the outside. Can't imagine the talent it takes to launch those cars.

The point being, stock vs. stock there is no comparison between 1969 muscle cars and today's cars. Everything has changed including how HP is rated. As TA 392 YJ said, you'd hate driving these cars to work everyday. I never owned a Street Hemi but I did own a daily driven 68 440 GTX that owned more than 1 Street Hemi. And it ran 15.0 at the strip. In comparison my Scat Pack runs high 11's while weighing 500 lbs more. Not bashing 60's and 70's muscle cars but technology has come a long way in 40 years.

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do not discount the improvements in transmissions too......
ABSOLUTELY.......computer controlled shifts in the Automatic transmison was never more obvious in what it can add as it is today.

A 0-60MPH sprint in a New Mustang GT is pretty revealing. The new 10 Speed Auto is repsonsible for the first sub 4.0 second time.

3.9 seconds is a direct result of the transmission. The new transmission is the improvement over a 2018 auto GT with same motor that couldn't achieve this.

MPG is pretty obviously improved as well. The old 1:1 final drive ration in a manual 4 speed or 3 speed auto required a choice of priority between gas mileage or acceleration....... we no longer have to make this trade off one for the other courtesy of the additional over drive ratios.
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I don't know if you subscribe to Hemmings Muscle Machines like I do, but they have done full breakdowns on those F.A.S.T.(factory appearing, stock tires) cars and the engines are pretty modified, cars are lightened too. What's most impressive about those cars is the tires they run those times on! You put our powertrain in a car weighing 3200-3500 pounds and we would lift off into orbit!
I've been a subscriber of Muscle Car Review for many years now (great publication by the way!) but didn't know about Hemmings Muscle Machines... I just subscribed for $15! Not bad for 12 issues. Thanks for the info.


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I've been a subscriber of Muscle Car Review for many years now (great publication by the way!) but didn't know about Hemmings Muscle Machines... I just subscribed for $15! Not bad for 12 issues. Thanks for the info.
I get Muscle Car Review - with a few breaks in the subscription over the years - and yes it is excellent! I like Hemmings a little better though...

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Good point, I sold mine last summer but the 6.1 still gets my vote for the best looking NA Hemi.

I'm still driving my 2010 6.1 M6, and am still happy with it. I had debated upgrading to a 392 several years back, but decided to stick with mine. However, a 426 M6 with probably 125 hp more than my 6.1 would be mighty tempting


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Last month, "RS" stated that the 426 was slated for the '20 model year, but maybe things have been pushed up.


What FCA will put the 426 in will be interesting. Some of it will probably depend on the number of 426's that can be built at the plant. I'm assuming that they will come from the same plant as the current Hemi's are produced in, so capacity may be an issue, maybe not.


IMO, if they offer it only in the SRT trim to boost the sales of the SRT, they're missing the boat. That said, if the production capacity of the engine is low, they probably will offer it as an SRT trim option only at first. My thoughts are that a lot of folks won't jump on an SRT 426, just because of the 426, and because the pricing difference of the HC vs a 426 SRT trimmed car.


I may be all wet, but the 426 in a Scat Pack trimmed car would sell in far larger numbers. Guess we'll see what happens, and what the pricing structure will be between whatever they put it in, vs the HC pricing.


Granted the performance of the 426 will be more than the 392, but the HC will still out perform it by a pretty good margin.


Bringing the 426 back on the streets is a great marketing move on FCA's part, but we'll see how the marketing department implements it, and that could be very interesting.


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Last month, "RS" stated that the 426 was slated for the '20 model year, but maybe things have been pushed up.


What FCA will put the 426 in will be interesting. Some of it will probably depend on the number of 426's that can be built at the plant. I'm assuming that they will come from the same plant as the current Hemi's are produced in, so capacity may be an issue, maybe not.


IMO, if they offer it only in the SRT trim to boost the sales of the SRT, they're missing the boat. That said, if the production capacity of the engine is low, they probably will offer it as an SRT trim option only at first. My thoughts are that a lot of folks won't jump on an SRT 426, just because of the 426, and because the pricing difference of the HC vs a 426 SRT trimmed car.


I may be all wet, but the 426 in a Scat Pack trimmed car would sell in far larger numbers. Guess we'll see what happens, and what the pricing structure will be between whatever they put it in, vs the HC pricing.


Granted the performance of the 426 will be more than the 392, but the HC will still out perform it by a pretty good margin.


Bringing the 426 back on the streets is a great marketing move on FCA's part, but we'll see how the marketing department implements it, and that could be very interesting.
I think the 426 should be the replacement for the 392 and the 392 should be the replacement for the 5.7L.

If they do decide to give us a 426, and this is far from being confirmed as there are conflicting reports out there, I sure hope they choose to move with the times and employ an aluminum engine block this time around.

Of course, dual mode direct injection like in the new 5.0 would be great too.....


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I think the 426 should be the replacement for the 392 and the 392 should be the replacement for the 5.7L.
Just curious, by that do you mean there would be A) If the current 5.7L models became 392s, and current 392 models became 426s:
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T/A 392
R/T Scat Pack 426
T/A 426
SRT 426
SRT Hellcat

Or B) if the 426 was the defining entry level SRT, the 392 was for R/Ts, and you just fit the T/A versions in there somewhere. Something like this:

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T/A 392
SRT 426
SRT Hellcat

Or another way? I'm curious, because the lineup is getting pretty packed with different versions. Option B would simplify things, however I do agree with some others here that the 426 shouldn't be SRT exclusive. Especially since the R/T got it in 1970-71.


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I think the 426 should be the replacement for the 392 and the 392 should be the replacement for the 5.7L.
Just curious, by that do you mean there would be A) If the current 5.7L models became 392s, and current 392 models became 426s:
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R/T 392
T/A 392
R/T Scat Pack 426
T/A 426
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SRT Hellcat

Or B) if the 426 was the defining entry level SRT, the 392 was for R/Ts, and you just fit the T/A versions in there somewhere. Something like this:

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T/A 392
SRT 426
SRT Hellcat

Or another way? I'm curious, because the lineup is getting pretty packed with different versions. Option B would simplify things, however I do agree with some others here that the 426 shouldn't be SRT exclusive. Especially since the R/T got it in 1970-71.
I'd absolutely vote for A if I had a say, lol. 'Power to the people'. Giving more people more choices is always better. Let the SRT keep the fancy suspensions and Laguna leather behind the paywall for those who like to pay extra for luxury. And for those who really want to pay to set themselves apart there's always the hellcat.

The T/A is more of an appearance package at this point ... it's about whether you like that style.

But the venerable 5.7L is REALLY ready for a well deserved retirement in 2019 after a legendary run. It's kinda like Michael Jordan at age 45 ...

On the other hand the pentastar V6 should get a bump to have direct injection to increase output. It's been unchanged as well for 8 years now. I'm sure there's a lot left for them to get out of that setup if they only tried.
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