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QUOTE: "Suit yourself if you don't believe me. I have better things to do than participate in an oil thread that is going sideways in a biga$$ hurry."

So do we. It's not that we don't believe you, but in all the pages of marketing hype, the bottom line is that Amzoil does not show that they went through the certification process, nor do they show the certification documentation that they would have received.

All that I can say is that a company doesn't certify itself by just saying "My tests show that I meet the manufacturers specs." It doesn't work that way with getting "certified."

As far as using the MM Act for a defense of using the incorrect oil and having a warranty claim denied, best of luck with that. Read what's involved with that process. You'll still be sitting on the curb broke, and still have a denied warranty claim on your car's engine.

It's your car, so use what you want. Some of us are just trying to point out what Amzoil isn't, and the isn't is that it's not certified to the FCA spec for the '15+ 6.4 SRT engines.
Yep, been using what I want(AmsOil)with considerable(100%)success for the last 42 years. If you wish to believe what you have been saying, go right ahead. Your prerogative, your car, your engine. As you just said, "It's your car, so use what you want."
No car manufacturer can force you to use a certain product according to the MM act. AmsOil's products meet or exceed all manufacturers' specs, and I have an email message into their tech center to have them provide proof of exactly that, and will happily post it for all when I receive a reply.
You and everyone else out there can certainly feel free to use what ever lubricant you want, whether it be asphalt or AmsOil, or anything in between. I'll agree to disagree.
Thank you for your opinion. Bye.
Great. Frustrate yourself more and contact FCA and post what they say about Amzoil being acceptable to use for keeping their warranty in tact.


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No reason for me to do oil sampling, not necessary unless you suspect your engine is beginning to fail, which, in my case, isn't happening after 115,300 trouble free miles on my '12 R/T using AmsOil lubricants. 5.7 engine falls under the MS-6395 spec, but equivalent.
Kind of speaks for itself........and not a waste of money as you sarcastically stated.
You get what you pay for.
Ok, so no data. What benefits?


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Shifting gears, oil in its containers or in your crankcase over the winter will not go bad. Do they change the oil at the dealerships on the millions of cars new and old that sit for months and years unsold? I think that changing oil on a new car at 500 miles, 1000 miles, 1500 miles etc, is slightly overkill, but of course we own them, and we can do what we want with them and put whatever oil we want in them. It's all good. Some car manufacturers, lexus, Toyota to name a few, recommend with synthetic oil 10,000 miles or 1 year, whichever comes first.
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Sure Amsoil is good but couldn't they at least get the API SN certification? FCA actually makes two recommendations, one for the the MS-12633 and another for SN, at least Mobil 1 has the SN.

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Just an idle question? Or would FCA want to look at oil service intervals as well as mileage before honoring an engine warranty issue?

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Take it or leave it. Copied and pasted from my emailbox this morning. Call it "word game" or whatever you want. If you would like a screenshot of this email, I will be happy to post it(not that it really matters at this point).

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Mark,



Our department sees lots of forums on the internet that bring up this subject periodically. Some of these threads assume there is a certification/approval Chrysler has for this specification. There is no approved list for this Chrysler specification, so it is impossible to certify an oil against this requirement.



When AMSOIL makes an oil recommendation for a certain specification, it is based on our Product Specialists confirming that we meet all the requirements. This confirmation is based on the results of lab test results, consultation with our technology suppliers, and through Chrysler themselves and their published technical requirements for this specification.



Chrysler has a relationship with Pennzoil to provide them factory-fill oils, so it is going to be common for them to recommend that branded oil in their publications, however, the Magnuson Moss Act prevents Chrysler from denying any warranty because another brand of lubricant is used.



I hope this clears up any confusion over this matter.



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Phone: 715-392-7101 ext. 6094



One other question I have for all of you........do any of you have a copy of the FCA memo/edict stating that you HAVE to use Pennzoil 0W-40 oil in the SRT cars with 6.4L engines to comply with their warranty? I'd really like to see it.


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Sure Amsoil is good but couldn't they at least get the API SN certification? FCA actually makes two recommendations, one for the the MS-12633 and another for SN, at least Mobil 1 has the SN.


Yes absolutely. There was a Hellcat guy just a couple months ago had a spun bearing but didn't have the receipts for the oil change that he did and FCA told him no coverage. He had a dealer change a year ago but they said not good enough.




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Good reason to keep meticulous service records, have all mine from Sep. 2012 when I bought my R/T new from the dealer. This includes all my own oil changes with dated oil/filter/parts receipts and mileages documented, and any dealer maintenance/repairs done as well.
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One other question I have for all of you........do any of you have a copy of the FCA memo/edict stating that you HAVE to use Pennzoil 0W-40 oil in the SRT cars with 6.4L engines to comply with their warranty? I'd really like to see it.
It's printed in the owners manual. :scratchhead"

According to Mopar warranty coverage:
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Take it or leave it. Copied and pasted from my emailbox this morning. Call it "word game" or whatever you want. If you would like a screenshot of this email, I will be happy to post it(not that it really matters at this point).

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Mark,



Our department sees lots of forums on the internet that bring up this subject periodically. Some of these threads assume there is a certification/approval Chrysler has for this specification. There is no approved list for this Chrysler specification, so it is impossible to certify an oil against this requirement.



When AMSOIL makes an oil recommendation for a certain specification, it is based on our Product Specialists confirming that we meet all the requirements. This confirmation is based on the results of lab test results, consultation with our technology suppliers, and through Chrysler themselves and their published technical requirements for this specification.



Chrysler has a relationship with Pennzoil to provide them factory-fill oils, so it is going to be common for them to recommend that branded oil in their publications, however, the Magnuson Moss Act prevents Chrysler from denying any warranty because another brand of lubricant is used.



I hope this clears up any confusion over this matter.



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Phone: 715-392-7101 ext. 6094



One other question I have for all of you........do any of you have a copy of the FCA memo/edict stating that you HAVE to use Pennzoil 0W-40 oil in the SRT cars with 6.4L engines to comply with their warranty? I'd really like to see it.
Great. Seeing how you stated that you don't want to waste your time on this subject, have you contacted FCA to see what they say about using Amzoil and if it acceptably meets the FCA specs?
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According to Mopar warranty coverage:

https://www.mopar.com/content/dam/mo..._statement.pdf

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Registration and Operation Requirements

The Basic Limited Warranty covers your vehicle only if:

• it was built for sale in the U.S.;
• it’s registered in the U.S.;
• it’s driven mainly in the U.S. or Canada; and
• it’s operated and maintained in the manner described in your Owner’s Manual.

Maintenance

General Information

It’s your responsibility to properly maintain and operate your new vehicle.

Follow the instructions contained in the General and Scheduled Maintenance Service guidelines in your Owner’s Manual.

Regular, scheduled maintenance is essential to trouble-free operation. If there is a dispute between you and Chrysler Group LLC concerning your maintenance of your vehicle, Chrysler will require you to provide proof that your vehicle was properly maintained.

For your convenience, Chrysler has prepared a Maintenance Log which is included in your Owner’s Manual.

You should use this Maintenance Log to keep track of scheduled maintenance, either by routinely having the repairs entered in your Maintenance Log, or by keeping receipts or other documentation of work you’ve had done on your vehicle in your Maintenance Log.

Maintenance Costs Not Covered

Your warranties don’t cover the costs of repairing damage caused by poor or improper maintenance. Nor do they cover damage caused by the use of contaminate by the use of fuels, oils, lubricants, cleaners or fluids other than those recommended in your Owners Manual.



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"Chrysler has a relationship with Pennzoil to provide them factory-fill oils, so it is going to be common for them to recommend that branded oil in their publications, however, the Magnuson Moss Act prevents Chrysler from denying any warranty because another brand of lubricant is used."


And that is only worth the cost of the paper it is printed on.
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