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2016 SPS whistle is driving me crazy

My 2016 Scat Pack Shaker is a whistlin' dixie and it's driving me absolutely bonkers. Car has ~12k miles on it. All stock under the hood, with Borla S-Type exhaust (w/ active exhaust valves) put on by the previous owner.

I posted about this once before when the car was new to me but now I've had a chance to properly dig a bit. I posted a few attempts at recording the whistle in the old thread, though the sound quality was pretty poor. Old thread:
https://www.challengertalk.com/forum...16-sps-662335/

A few details about the noise
* Whistle, I would describe it as reedy, high-pitched
* Occurs when the engine is under load (light throttle applied resulting in mild acceleration)
* Does not occur at a standstill. The car must be moving (hence the "under load" requirement). Revving the engine at a stop does not reproduce the noise.
* Confirmed in gears 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
* Occurs over rpm range: ~1600 to 3000.
* Occurs at any speed so long as in the right rpm range and accelerating (under load)
* Does not change with engine speed, other than requiring the aforementioned rpm range for the sound to be present
* Occurs when the car is completely cold or after driving for hours
* Occurs for any outdoor temperature (from 15 F to 85 F)
* Sound occurs with active exhaust valves manually wired open
* Sound occurs with active exhaust valves manually wired closed
* Occurs in standard mode and sport mode
* When whistling in either standard or sport mode, pushing the Sport button makes the whistling stop (even with active exhaust valves wired completely open or completely closed). In other words, slightly different throttle input is required for making the noise in the two different modes
* This sound is different from the "whoosh" of air going into the CAI when I mash the accelerator
* This whistle occurs every single time I accelerate. It's always reproducible.
* I think it's coming from the front, though identifying sound location can be tricky


Exhaust
I disconnected the active exhaust valves and wired them open (notches at 2 and 8 o’clock position). Sound present and unchanged. I then wired the active exhaust valves closed (notches at 4 and 10 o’clock). Sound present and unchanged.

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I'm heavily leaning toward the throttle body. In one of the zillion threads I've read, it was confidently stated that it's either the throttle body (specifically the butterfly valve within) or the bypass, and to just live with it.

* I removed the shaker assembly and air filter (so air comes through bare throttle body). The whistle is still present, and I believe it’s louder.
* I removed the throttle body and inspected the o-ring, which looked fine. I reattached the throttle body; whistle is still present.
* Torquing down the throttle body proved to be a bit troublesome. Even at 44 in-lb, once screw turned and turned, so I put EZ-lok inserts in. Torqued down, whistle still present.
* I tried taping around the seam where the throttle body interfaces with the intake manifold, but it's hard to say I got it 100%. Did not seem to make an effect; whistle still present.

At this point, I'm more and more convinced it's air whistling over the butterfly valve as it is pulled in to the throttle body. I'm ready to either purchased a larger throttle body or send my throttle body off to The Fastman, but I'll be doubly disappointed if I spend a few hundred bucks and still have the whistle.

I'm frustrated, and open to any thoughts or guidance you might have on this issue.
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I have a slight whistle coming from drivers door window seals? Mine seems to be at rear pillar seals?

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I have a slight whistle coming from drivers door window seals? Mine seems to be at rear pillar seals?
Mine is definitely not at window. Whistles with the windows down. Also rpm range dependent and goes away when I press the Sport mode button.
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I can hear my intake air being pulled in (I have a '16 SPS (M6)) when I have the windows down and accelerating -

since we essentially have "un-silenced" air intake systems, I imagine that's what we're hearing.

I owned an '86 Fiero GT new back in the day [V6, M4 tranny (M5 came later in year) - the air filter inlet was on the driver's side behind the door - I could hear intake air being drawn in at lower speeds with greater throttle. (these were injected engines with throttle bodies)

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Mine is definitely not at window. Whistles with the windows down. Also rpm range dependent and goes away when I press the Sport mode button.

Well, that does it. The only logical solution is for you to drop it off at my house and go get yourself a Tesla.


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Could it be water pump related?

There was a member here that had a whistle sound but only at idle that turned out to be the water pump...post#8.
https://www.challengertalk.com/forum...r-hemi-664953/


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I can hear my intake air being pulled in (I have a '16 SPS (M6)) when I have the windows down and accelerating -



since we essentially have "un-silenced" air intake systems, I imagine that's what we're hearing.

I think mine must be louder than everyone else's, or louder than the standard sound. I can hear the whoosh when I jab the throttle. This is different, or in addition to. This is "air passing over an opening" type noise. It's easy to hear with the windows up. My 4 year old calls it out!
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yours doesn't sound normal.

The only difference I notice between the '16 SPS and my '09 R/T I first had it due to the Shaker, (not full metal hood & hood liner) is I hear the valvetrain a lot more.
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