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To compete with GM and Ford in my opinion all they need to do is keep the quality superior. I have always been a MOPAR person, knowing my car might be a little bigger, and little heavier but, it is a lot better, and more manly than their little girly cars. Case in point, a guy I work with has a vette, when I bring my Challenger and he brings his Vette and we park next to each other, the Challenger is just so much more masculine and muscular than his little go cart. I want to do a truck style tug of war with our cars but of course like all vette owners, they have no balls. He always wants to drag race me or road race me, I tell him only if it is full contact, of course that is a no go as I would push him right off the track.
My '09 Challenger R/T 6-speed drove and handled like a parade float compared to my 20-year-old Corvette. Is it a nicer car for highway trips? Absolutely. It's bigger, roomier, quieter, better riding, etc. But sporty like a pony car should be? Sorry, but...no. In fact, driving my car was very much like driving my brother's '09 300C. For a "pony car", that's a bad thing, by the way. I know they drive and handle a bit better now, but they'll never get where they need to be in their current incarnation...they're just too massive.

And, if you really need your car to provide you with a satisfactory sexual identity, then you have far bigger problems than just an oversized/over weight Challenger. JMO...

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My '09 Challenger R/T 6-speed drove and handled like a parade float compared to my 20-year-old Corvette. Is it a nicer car for highway trips? Absolutely. It's bigger, roomier, quieter, better riding, etc. But sporty like a pony car should be? Sorry, but...no. In fact, driving my car was very much like driving my brother's '09 300C. For a "pony car", that's a bad thing, by the way. I know they drive and handle a bit better now, but they'll never get where they need to be in their current incarnation...they're just too massive.
When Chrysler decided to quickly bring the Challenger to the market in 2008, to beat the launch of the Camaro, it used the existing Charger chassis (although slightly shortened by 3 inches). What it created was a 2-door muscle car and not a true pony car.


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And in 2011 they refined the base suspension greatly and the newer base R/T cars handle way better than the early ones.

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if you really need your car to provide you with a satisfactory sexual identity, then you have far bigger problems than just an oversized/over weight Challenger. JMO...
Not at all, it is my wife who says, "Girly Car" in a "Schwarzenegger" kinda thing when she sees those little cars on the road.
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"My '09 Challenger R/T 6-speed drove and handled like a parade float compared to my 20-year-old Corvette. Is it a nicer car for highway trips? Absolutely. It's bigger, roomier, quieter, better riding, etc. But sporty like a pony car should be? Sorry, but...no. In fact, driving my car was very much like driving my brother's '09 300C. For a "pony car", that's a bad thing, by the way."

Suspension mods were the first thing I did with my '09 - I imagine the stock SRTs back then handled better, but after swaybars, shocks and lowering springs, my '09 R/T handled pretty similarly as how my '16 SPS does, although the new car has a bit more compression compliance, so its a bit more forgiving on bumps. I was rather surprised how soft the '09 R/T sway bar rates were myself.

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My '09 Challenger R/T 6-speed drove and handled like a parade float compared to my 20-year-old Corvette. Is it a nicer car for highway trips? Absolutely. It's bigger, roomier, quieter, better riding, etc. But sporty like a pony car should be? Sorry, but...no. In fact, driving my car was very much like driving my brother's '09 300C. For a "pony car", that's a bad thing, by the way. I know they drive and handle a bit better now, but they'll never get where they need to be in their current incarnation...they're just too massive.
I've always said, the new Challenger is more a modern version of the classic Charger, rather than the classic Challenger.


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Sadly, I'm not optimistic that we'll see anything new. FCA seems to be full steam into sell-off/shut-down/merge mode.

If I was a dealer, I'd be ticked that I now have nothing to offer at all in the mid-size market with Dart/200's demise. No halo car in Viper. A Charger/300 that goes back to 2006 in its general styling outside of a few body panel tweaks. And a pony car that's more Clydesdale than thoroughbred.

I plan to buy a new car in 2017 and I have no idea what it will be. Probably not what possibly could become a Hyundai-owned Dodge.


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"At what point does the "Fiat Factor" kick in and turn our beloved Challenger and Chargers into small European type cars with 4 cyl engines?
I hope NEVER"

that movement is starting - look at GM and Ford. Downsized the car and have gone 4cyl / turbo as base engines. Next versions will change more so in that direction.

V8s will probably be high-end versions and much more limited production in the future
Yeah, you can't blame manufactures for changing their lineups based on the upcoming Cafe standards for fuel economy.
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Is corporate ownership a factor if the right product is delivered? Dodge is a trademark owned by FCA, who is trying to capitalize on the history of that name. GM and Ford are the only American auto manufacturers that can claim actual family ties to the muscle car era. Chrysler heritage and Dodge Brothers feel-good commercials have no real link to the past -- it's name only. That shouldn't diminish the desire to own and drive a great car that reminds us of a great time in automotive history.

If another manufacturer can build a car worthy of the Dodge Challenger name I won't have a problem buying one.
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