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the fuel hat arrived and it looks great.
I called MMX about how to plug the factory feed lines and they said there is a device made by Fore that I need to allow the fuel from the pass side tank to circulate to the driver side.
Does anyone know what this is called and where I can get it?

edit: disregard, i found the items needed on Fore's website. I would think MMX would offer these as they are required to use the setup I ordered.
https://www.foreinnovations.com/product_p/2-910.htm
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converting to E85

I ran full content e85 on my 392 with nothing other than ID1000ís and a tune. Really loved the lack of knock. The low end torque picked up quite a bit as well. Iím in the midst of gathering a content sensor and gage to go e85 now on my 426.


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the fuel hat arrived and it looks great.
I called MMX about how to plug the factory feed lines and they said there is a device made by Fore that I need to allow the fuel from the pass side tank to circulate to the driver side.
Does anyone know what this is called and where I can get it?

edit: disregard, i found the items needed on Fore's website. I would think MMX would offer these as they are required to use the setup I ordered.
https://www.foreinnovations.com/product_p/2-910.htm


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I will NEVER EVER BUY OR RECCOMEND them ever again. Service is horrible and they really only care about big builds that get promotion for them out of it


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I ran full content e85 on my 392 with nothing other than ID1000ís and a tune. Really loved the lack of knock. The low end torque picked up quite a bit as well. Iím in the midst of gathering a content sensor and gage to go e85 now on my 426.

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Your car is a lot newer than mine, I didn't want to chance the 10 year old fuel lines and the tiny rail cross-over line on deteriorating.
The tuner I use said I should pick-up between 25-35 hp with the timing using E-85, I'm currently at 500hp 530tq to the wheels.


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I had several Issues when I bought 5 grand worth of motor parts from them they send the wrong pushrods and the threw a fit when I asked to talk to Dave ( Chris is the one that answers the phone ). Then they complained about shipping stuff nda to me when I need it as the engine builder was on the phone with them explaining the issues. And the engine is in the stand sitting taking up time and money for there builds

I will NEVER EVER BUY OR RECCOMEND them ever again. Service is horrible and they really only care about big builds that get promotion for them out of it


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yeah, I'm starting to figure that out.
I definitely recommend Fore Innovations they took the time to answer my questions and emailed me a schematic to help with the wiring setup.

Summit also provided outstanding customer service, I ordered all the fittings and line yesterday.
They ensured I had o-ring and flare ends where needed, cross-referenced Summit parts to save me some cash, and offered a veteran discount.
Summit has always been good to me.

So the plumbing should be here Friday, I'm attaching a image of the parts I ordered.
The regulator is by Holley and most of the rest is Summit brand.

I still need to put the wiring kit together, I picked some 12 AWG wire and a 20 amp relay yesterday.

More to follow.
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[QUOTE=chizzle1;8435541]Your car is a lot newer than mine, I didn't want to chance the 10 year old fuel lines and the tiny rail cross-over line on deteriorating.

The tuner I use said I should pick-up between 25-35 hp with the timing using E-85, I'm currently at 500hp 530tq to the wheels.




Those are pretty stout numbers , you should definitely see a good jump in power. Dollar for hp/tq I think e85 is a win win. Then you factor in the lack of knock and itís even better. The only reason I stopped using it is it was very temperamental when the temperature drops. So for me itís about April through October and Iím good. The other thing to consider is having a content sensor, gage, and a flex tune , reason is from what Iíve seen the pump e85 is not consistent. The barrels are a little pricey too. Iíve seen a few guys buying the e98 by the barrel and filling up e85 at the pump then getting the content up by adding the e98. Just things to consider.


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Your car is a lot newer than mine, I didn't want to chance the 10 year old fuel lines and the tiny rail cross-over line on deteriorating.

The tuner I use said I should pick-up between 25-35 hp with the timing using E-85, I'm currently at 500hp 530tq to the wheels.




Those are pretty stout numbers , you should definitely see a good jump in power. Dollar for hp/tq I think e85 is a win win. Then you factor in the lack of knock and itís even better. The only reason I stopped using it is it was very temperamental when the temperature drops. So for me itís about April through October and Iím good. The other thing to consider is having a content sensor, gage, and a flex tune , reason is from what Iíve seen the pump e85 is not consistent. The barrels are a little pricey too. Iíve seen a few guys buying the e98 by the barrel and filling up e85 at the pump then getting the content up by adding the e98. Just things to consider.


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The knock is the main reason I'm converting, too much compression for 93. I can't really use 6th gear without getting knock unless I'm going 85+.

I've been watching the forums in my area (central Texas) and it seems HEB has pretty consistent E85 fuel, some of the members have used devices to measure (like this one https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp...f-e85-testing/) and it's ranged from 83-86% ethanol.
Additionally I'll back it off 1-2 degrees for daily driving, just to make sure.
WOT tuning is not too hard, only took me 6-10 pulls to get AFR & timing dialed in.
I take it to the tuner I trust to make it more user friendly (part throttle driving).
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Absolutely, Iím currently using Aj (hemituner) and couldnít be more pleased. Iím going back in the next week or so to swap for a 6.1 manifold and put my id1000ís back in for a new dyno tune and talk about the e85. Right now with the 426 and their cam , I couldnít be happier with the drivability. Really curious to see what kind of gains itíll make on e85.


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Absolutely, Iím currently using Aj (hemituner) and couldnít be more pleased. Iím going back in the next week or so to swap for a 6.1 manifold and put my id1000ís back in for a new dyno tune and talk about the e85. Right now with the 426 and their cam , I couldnít be happier with the drivability. Really curious to see what kind of gains itíll make on e85.


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if you have the time and the tools port match the 6.1 intake and have it powder coated.
The powder coating improves airflow by removing a lot of the rough surface and the port matching reduces turbulence.
I did this and was pleased with the results, and the looks.
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Powdercoat the inside! Thats a neat trick I never would have thought of.

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Iíve actually been porting my owners well. I did all the flash casting already and opened up the TB opening, Iím just waiting on my gasket to port match those. The heads have already been ported and gasket matched as well. As far as the powder coating, I think it may be beneficial as far as heat dissipation, and definitely looks awesome, but on the inside the rough surface is irrelevant as it is a boundary layer, so long as all the flash cast is ground down. Similar to a polished head that nowadays people are dimpling instead for the better atomization of fuel. The intake side of the engine can be rough to the touch , the air touching the surface is kind of like lube for the air passing through(if that makes any sense), however on the exhaust side polishing can help with less build up of carbon.


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