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Angry Ford Slogan Semantics

I have seen the slogan, "Ford has a better idea." used in one or two Ford advertisements at some point, and I am here to say that is just semantic BS in my humble opinion.

Sure, we could waste time trying to define the adjective 'better' as used in the slogan, but I refuse to allow misdirection to sully my point: I really hate working on Fords! Everything is bass-ackwards!!

And this weekend was just another reminder of why...

Long story short, my neighbor attempted a spark plug change on his 2003 F150 with the 4.6L V8 (230K miles), and it quickly devolved into a quagmire of crap that threw the original task out the window and replaced it with just getting it back together while minimizing any damage that might have been done in the process. And it didn't end until late tonight - Sunday (started Friday evening).

I wasn't initially involved in the deal, but when it became apparent that he could realistically not have a running truck come Monday morning, he asked me to help him do something...anything to undo whatever had been done. I agreed to help, but I hated every second of it!

But in the spirit of "You learn something new every day", I can at least say that the whole sordid affair did teach me something I did not previously know - Ford V8s have a completely different numbering sequence for their cylinders than their domestic counterparts in Dodge and Chevy.

Instead of the familiar odd/even numbered cylinders in two banks (2/4/6/8 and 1/3/5/7), Fords are numbered 1/2/3/4 and 5/6/7/8.

WTFF?? (What the F***, Ford??)

I don't know which is more surprising, that I've gone this long without actually knowing that fact, or that Ford considers straying from the norm so much as being a "...better idea."

With that in mind, I propose another acronym for the FORD moniker:

F(ord)
O(bstinate and)
R(eally)
D(ickish)


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Here is a nice article about the firing orders.
https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...r-your-engine/

BTW, why anyone would try and remember firing orders is beyond me? I have had both domestic and import vehicles and if I tried to remember firing orders of each vehicle it would have Nuke'd my brain.


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Some more examples of what FORD *really* stands for (you've probably heard these before though):
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Find
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Dead

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Fixed
Or
Repaired
Daily

Any others?
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I would agree with their use of "better idea" after spending two days after school (back in the day) changing spark plugs on my '68 Torino GT with a 390. Huge shock towers overshadowed the two inboard spark plugs on each head, which "better ideally" pointed towards each other as well. About a 1/2" clearance between shock tower and valve cover to access trying to get a spark plug wrench in there. And that was after removing the Thermactor rail that ran right in that 1/2" gap, affording no access. I got your better idea right here.


Found out later the factory procedure was to undo the mounts and jack up the engine.


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Don't forget about their brilliant 7-lug wheels, a "better idea" that thankfully didn't last.

And that you "Go Further" in a Ford. The question is how fur you want to go. I'd rather go farther.

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I must admit that I've never had enough tools or patience to own a Ford.
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I have seen the slogan, "Ford has a better idea." used in one or two Ford advertisements at some point, and I am here to say that is just semantic BS in my humble opinion.

Sure, we could waste time trying to define the adjective 'better' as used in the slogan, but I refuse to allow misdirection to sully my point: I really hate working on Fords! Everything is bass-ackwards!!

And this weekend was just another reminder of why...

Long story short, my neighbor attempted a spark plug change on his 2003 F150 with the 4.6L V8 (230K miles), and it quickly devolved into a quagmire of crap that threw the original task out the window and replaced it with just getting it back together while minimizing any damage that might have been done in the process. And it didn't end until late tonight - Sunday (started Friday evening).

I wasn't initially involved in the deal, but when it became apparent that he could realistically not have a running truck come Monday morning, he asked me to help him do something...anything to undo whatever had been done. I agreed to help, but I hated every second of it!

But in the spirit of "You learn something new every day", I can at least say that the whole sordid affair did teach me something I did not previously know - Ford V8s have a completely different numbering sequence for their cylinders than their domestic counterparts in Dodge and Chevy.

Instead of the familiar odd/even numbered cylinders in two banks (2/4/6/8 and 1/3/5/7), Fords are numbered 1/2/3/4 and 5/6/7/8.

WTFF?? (What the F***, Ford??)
Ah, the early years of the Triton V8 - and that crappy spark plug design.

the early ones had 3 - 4 threads that the plug secured into the head. Hence, the self-ejecting spark plugs they were known for.

The later design had more threads to "resolve" one of the two problems - the self ejecting plug.

The 2nd design flaw is the body of the plug (non threaded) goes into the cylinder and carbon builds up and "locks" the plug to the plug bore.

You have to use penetrating solvent to help break down the carbon before attempting to remove the plug.
-if you didn't the plug could shear off...require the $2k special tool just for Ford! *imagine that* to extract the broken stub out of the head (without removing the cylinder head from engine)

Its not that uncommon that other makes have cylinder numbering like that. Mercedes V block engines to the 1-2-3, etc numbering as well.

But on top of that, Ford's Windsor engines have the #1 cyl on the passenger side of the block - just to be different yet again.

The newer Ford (and Nissan) V6 engines are no fun to work on. Cam timing chains on front and back side of the head. And access isn't great

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I must admit that I've never had enough tools or patience to own a Ford.
a friend back in WA state hates working on Ford, Subaru and VW...

but says that he's always guaranteed he'll never be out of work with those brands.
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Some more examples of what FORD *really* stands for (you've probably heard these before though):
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Find
On
Road
Dead

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Fixed
Or
Repaired
Daily

Any others?
F**ked on race day


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