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I think there is more to this story (other Mods) I have 2 chevrolets and looking thru their performance catalog. I find that Chevrolet sells a catch can for the Camaro. See below. So how can say a catch can causes damage when they sell one.
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* F. 92229651 
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* Crankcase ventilation system designed for the track-oriented Camaro 1LE package, designed for excellent oil separation and crankcase return during high-performance driving and high-load cornering. Simple catch-can-type design screws into oil- ll port in the rocker cover of V-8 and V-6 models. 

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So what ever happened. GM approve the repairs yet or not. A GM warranty rep should have showed up at the dealership by now
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Not fixed yet but now "GM is investigating" based on the owner's last post.


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I was gonna install mine on my 15 Shaker Today, now it worries me after reading this. dont Need any warranty problems down the road
I think that if I ever have to take my R/T in to the dealership for whatever, I'll just remove my UPR catch can. It will take less that 10 minutes to uninstall and put the stock hose back on.

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Catch Can petition ditched for some strange reason........

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Petition update

Petition a complete waste of time.

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May 15, 2016 — I am ditching the petition and apologize to the affected party if I hurt his chance for a resolution.

I'll also apologize to the 600 of you who signed, commented and circualted the petition for wasting your time and efforts.

Thank you for your support, however misguided it may have been.

If you want to keep your warranty from being voided, ditch the mods, any mod. And yes, GM would rather see your Direct Injected engine valves, and intakes caked with gunk, than allow you to use benign prevention measures like a catch can to prevent it.

Must be why power-train warranties are downgraded to 60k miles now. That's all GM, or any other major maker, expect them to last.

Disposable cars. That's what we are buying. If GM has no faith in their quality, why should we?

If this were my issue? I would fight this BS to the end and make them wish they'd never heard my name. But it's not.

BTW, Ford is no better.

Ford?s Warranty is a joke. Your claim has been denied. | Jason Hilton

So you got that Mary T. Barra? You win. But try screwing me and you will pay more. Far more than doing the right thing in the first place would have cost you. By my calculations of pissed off people on this petition, you have lost at least a few 40k vehicle sales. And every Google search from now on about "GM Warranty" will hopefully pull this up.
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I think there is more to this story (other Mods) I have 2 chevrolets and looking thru their performance catalog. I find that Chevrolet sells a catch can for the Camaro. See below. So how can say a catch can causes damage when they sell one.
Something don't smell right

* F. 92229651 
 . Gen 5 Camaro 1LE PCV System
* Crankcase ventilation system designed for the track-oriented Camaro 1LE package, designed for excellent oil separation and crankcase return during high-performance driving and high-load cornering. Simple catch-can-type design screws into oil- ll port in the rocker cover of V-8 and V-6 models. 

Just because they sell one doesn't mean it won't affect warranty, that part is called out off road only and above above 32F temperature... I'm in no way saying this would be used by dealership to fight warranty claims BUT it could be.

Mopar performance parts with numbers starting with P have no warranty and can affect warranty of other parts. Would a dealer saying Stage 1 lowering springs caused a rear differential failure, probably not, but I"m sure they could say lowering the car changed angles and forces or some other crap to get around the claim.
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Just because they sell one doesn't mean it won't affect warranty, that part is called out off road only and above above 32F temperature... I'm in no way saying this would be used by dealership to fight warranty claims BUT it could be.

Mopar performance parts with numbers starting with P have no warranty and can affect warranty of other parts. Would a dealer saying Stage 1 lowering springs caused a rear differential failure, probably not, but I"m sure they could say lowering the car changed angles and forces or some other crap to get around the claim.
This why I bought at dealer and installed at dealer.

Pack performance stage kits, first unveiled by Dodge and Mopar last November at the 2013 Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas, can do so with confidence that the vehicle warranty will remain unaffected.

In an industry-first for such high-level performance modifications offered by an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), the factory warranty will be maintained on 2014 Dodge Challenger and Charger vehicles modified with the Scat Pack 1, Scat Pack 2 and Scat Pack 3 performance stage kits with installation at an authorized dealer.

"The Scat Pack factory stage kits can help boost 5.7-liter HEMI performance up to an additional 58 horsepower and 47 lb.-ft. of torque, allowing Dodge enthusiasts to extract the maximum performance from their vehicles without the fear and guesswork typically associated with modifying late-model vehicles," said Tim Kuniskis, President and CEO, Dodge Brand. "And now with a warranty guarantee, they can do so with the peace of m
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warranty claim denied today

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I have heard a final resolution from GM.
However, first I want to say a huge thank you to everyone in here, I was simply hoping to air my story and see what happened. I never dreamed it would turn into what it did. The idea of a petition never crossed my mind, and I am very grateful for Mr Stacy and the things he did for me in this. I am grateful for everyone who signed the petition, and those that didn’t sign, but offered words of encouragement or advice, and the ones who sent me PM’s to encourage me. As anyone can imagine this whole situation felt like a kick in the nuts, and everyone here has really helped me pull through it.

GM’s final verdict is that my entire powertrain warranty will remain blocked, and they will not fix my car. The catch can may or may not have been the causes of the failure, but according to the owner’s manual any modification can void your warranty. I knew going in to this, like everyone, else that what I was doing could void the warranty, but I listened to the stories online of “I have X, Y, and Z mods and I got warrantied”. I took a calculated risk that adding the catch can would not void my warranty, and I was wrong.

Now before everyone goes and blames GM on this please understand something. I also greatly believe that your relationship with your dealer, as well as the knowledge of the dealer plays a HUGE part in what does and/or doesn’t get covered. Like several have mentioned I had my car taken to a GMC Cadillac dealer who may not have had much experience with the Camaro and the LS3. That lack of experience and knowledge about the car may have led them to believe my car was more modified than it was. Your experience may vary at your dealership. Your dealer may have more knowledge, and may know you better, and may cover your car with a catch can and a cold air intake. However GM’s stance is that modifications void your warranty, and I understand and agree with that.

GM will not be fixing my car, and I understand and agree with them on why they won’t. If they fix mine because I only have a cold air intake and a catch can, where does it end? What about the guy who only has intake and shorty headers but no tune? What about the guy who has only this or only that? Where do they draw the line? GM drew the line at NO modifications, and that is ok with me.

Now again before ya’ll rush off to sell your cars or burn them down or picket GM, please understand something else. I did not take what I was told by GM to be if you have fuzzy dice on your mirror your warranty is done or if you have different tires, or used none GM fluids. I took it to mean that if you added modifications to the vehicle. If you added something that was not originally there or significantly altered your vehicle with none OE equivalent parts then you were voiding you warranty. I took it as so long as the parts used were OE or OE equivalent replacements you would be ok, and that makes sense to me, and I agree with it.

Could I continue to fight this and take it all to court? Sure. However I don’t have the money, time, or energy to go to court over this. I need my car up and running, and can afford to do so, so I will be fixing my car myself. I greatly appreciate everyone who donated money to the GO FUND ME (you should be getting a refund) but I don’t want to fight this in court.

On a positive note, now that my warranty is done, I am free to mod to my hearts (or atleast my wallet’s) content. Again THANK YOU to everyone who has supported me in this, I cannot express how helpful all of this was for me. And please don’t let this shake your faith in GM, they are a company that got put in an awkward situation and had a choice to make, and made the one that protected them, and I do not blame them at all. GM still makes a great product, and I will probably continue to be a customer in the future.

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Well, screw GM. I've already vowed to never own another GM product (made that promise about 20 years ago) and this just adds to the reasons why.

Sure, the same thing could happen to us as well. Haven't heard of it happening yet, though...


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