[NinjaBrwn]

I called a dodge dealership from whom i've purchased TWO Challenger SRT8 vehicles from in the past, and to whom a referred a customer who ended up buying TWO SRT8 vehicles, and one Challenger RT. I asked the salesman about their Hellcat orders and he told me they have 5 of them coming, and one person has already put down a $10,000 deposit. Then he tells me the markup was going to be $15,000 because its a high performance, first vehicle....blah blah blah crap. I asked him why were they marking the cars up so high when the CEO said he wanted the cars to be sold at MSRP. His reply was that dodge doesn't control that because its an open market, and blah blah blah...lol. I was just curious in case I missed the thread, is there a way to report dealerships who are asking ridiculous prices for these cars?

When i'm ready to make my purchase, which will be after December, I will more than likely take my business elsewhere.imp:

 

[Toxic11]

You could report the Dealer to SRT (they have contact info on their web site) but they won't do squat about
it.. Just give you a canned email response with all of your local dealers.

 

[wasp392]

I hope they choke on them. Greedy bastards. Post that stealership's name here.
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236137


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[Tout09]

Supply vs demand, capitalism at it's best, if you don't like it don't buy it, look for a better deal, but to tell someone what their allowed to sell at is not something we want in this country, I wouldn't want anyone telling me what I could sell my company's products for..............
That dealer will make adjustments when needed and as you can see someone made a decision that they wanted a first allocation hellcat bad enough to pay the extra.

 

[Mtr]

While I get angry at added dealer markup, there's nothing illegal or even unethical about it. Heck, I remember seeing added markup on new Camrys and Accords years ago. No point in trying to report them to Dodge, they can't do anything about it. Most states have extremely robust laws protecting dealerships from retaliation from manufacturers. Besides, no matter how much Tim K might want dealers to sell at MSRP, at the end of the day he just wants the cars to sell. If a dealership can sell to a few suckers above MSRP and keeps the orders rolling in, he's not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[stonewall]

Supply vs demand, capitalism at it's best, if you don't like it don't buy it, look for a better deal, but to tell someone what their allowed to sell at is not something we want in this country, I wouldn't want anyone telling me what I could sell my company's products for..............
That dealer will make adjustments when needed and as you can see someone made a decision that they wanted a first allocation hellcat bad enough to pay the extra.

The point is the product isn't the dealers!!! And no matter what liberal method you use to try to justify it, it still is scalping at it's finest! Make them eat them people!:notallthere:

 

[Tout09]

The point is the product isn't the dealers!!! And no matter what liberal method you use to try to justify it, it still is scalping at it's finest! Make them eat them people!:notallthere:

Liberal? try conservative,LOL

supply and demand will dictate pricing, you want it for less then wait or find a dealer wanting to sell at MSRP, those lines look pretty big at this point.....

 

[Toxic11]

Liberal? try conservative,LOL

supply and demand will dictate pricing, you want it for less then wait or find a dealer wanting to sell at MSRP, those lines look pretty big at this point.....

I would normally agree, and DO agree on a "Free Market" except for the fact that there is this little thing in
politics called "Lobbyists". There really is no "Free Market" in car sales. Yes you can choose to go to another
privately owned dealer, but the Manufacturer can not sell direct to you. Meanwhile I can go purchase all
sorts of other goods at a fixed price usually called MSRP with no issue, directly from the manufacturers.

As long as there are Lobbyists there will never be a "real" Free Market, just the illusion of one.

 

[billyjoebob1]

While you can report all you like, in WI dealers can sell above MSRP according to the dept of trans.

 

[MizzouRT]

Capitalism at its worst: Regulatory Capture and Rent Seeking behavior

Supply vs demand, capitalism at it's best, if you don't like it don't buy it, look for a better deal, but to tell someone what their allowed to sell at is not something we want in this country, I wouldn't want anyone telling me what I could sell my company's products for..............
That dealer will make adjustments when needed and as you can see someone made a decision that they wanted a first allocation hellcat bad enough to pay the extra.

I agree the dealers should be able to sell their cars at whatever price they want. As others have already pointed out, the problem is the dealers have effectively captured their regulators, creating franchise laws that protect the dealers rather than consumers. I am a firm believer in free markets, the problem here is the manufacturers aren't free to sell direct to the consumer. So if you like the status quo, you are against free markets.

 

[Tout09]

I would normally agree, and DO agree on a "Free Market" except for the fact that there is this little thing in
politics called "Lobbyists". There really is no "Free Market" in car sales. Yes you can choose to go to another
privately owned dealer, but the Manufacturer can not sell direct to you. Meanwhile I can go purchase all
sorts of other goods at a fixed price usually called MSRP with no issue, directly from the manufacturers.

As long as there are Lobbyists there will never be a "real" Free Market, just the illusion of one.

You need to let the system work and that may take 6 months to a year, but in the end the hellcat will sell for MSRP at every dealership, you are mad because your in a long line with someone that is selling at MSRP now, the problem is they can't deliver now and in the end you will get a car most likely in the time frame that other dealers will be selling at MSRP, so what have you gained? To be the first to have a limited item usually means paying a premium..

 

[Challengers426]

Supply vs demand, capitalism at it's best, if you don't like it don't buy it, look for a better deal, but to tell someone what their allowed to sell at is not something we want in this country, I wouldn't want anyone telling me what I could sell my company's products for..............
That dealer will make adjustments when needed and as you can see someone made a decision that they wanted a first allocation hellcat bad enough to pay the extra.

I agree. Some dealers have deposits on all there orders over MSRP. The ones getting MSRP may wait a long time for a allocation.

 

[wasp392]

I agree. Some dealers have deposits on all there orders over MSRP. The ones getting MSRP may wait a long time for a allocation.[/

Didn't Chrysler say at one point that sold orders have nothing to do with allocation? And that sold orders will get build first? I'm not 100% on this but I recall reading about it on another thread.


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[Techdude82]

Don't be afraid to shop outside your local area. I went and got my Scat Pack in a city 3 hours away, and part of the fun was driving back the new wheels.

 

[Toxic11]

Say What?

I'm "Mad" ? I pointed out an absolute FACT about laws in place to protect dealerships and prevent
manufacturers from selling direct, and all you come back with is that I am mad?

I am not mad because I have to wait, it wouldn't matter if every dealer had 20 Hellcat Allocations
and all were being sold at MSRP, I still have to wait anyway, because of my options choices. I don't
give two shits about waiting.

Just pointing out the truth.

You need to let the system work and that may take 6 months to a year, but in the end the hellcat will sell for MSRP at every dealership, you are mad because your in a long line with someone that is selling at MSRP now, the problem is they can't deliver now and in the end you will get a car most likely in the time frame that other dealers will be selling at MSRP, so what have you gained? To be the first to have a limited item usually means paying a premium..

 

[Tout09]

Say What?

I'm "Mad" ? I pointed out an absolute FACT about laws in place to protect dealerships and prevent
manufacturers from selling direct, and all you come back with is that I am mad?

I am not mad because I have to wait, it wouldn't matter if every dealer had 20 Hellcat Allocations
and all were being sold at MSRP, I still have to wait anyway, because of my options choices. I don't
give two shits about waiting.

Just pointing out the truth.

Bret, the system works as it is, if you don't like it move on, there are plenty of people that do have the extra cash to spend it the way they want, when and to whom, that's just life........ you have a VON that is worthless at this point, let us know when you get a VIN,:wink3:

 

[Karpsta]

I fault the people paying these markups more then the dealers asking for them. As long as people with more money then sense pay the prices, nothing will change.

 

[Toxic11]

Bret, the system works as it is, if you don't like it move on, there are plenty of people that do have the extra cash to spend it the way they want, when and to whom, that's just life........ you have a VON that is worthless at this point, let us know when you get a VIN,:wink3:

Ha Ha... You so funny!!!!!

No the system DOES NOT work as it is. Let me give you a great example of how to fix it. I am going to use
KAI as an example (Kershaw Knives USA). Kershaw has a Sister Company called Zero Tolerance. ZT makes
"Mid Tech" knives, prices start in the mid $150 range and can go upwards of $700.00 MSRP.

What had been happening for the past few years is that a hand full of on-line dealers would purchase ALL of
the ZT Limited Knives at, whatever dealer cost is (say 20% off MSRP). They would then turn around and
instantly price these "Limited Production" knifes at $1000.00 + Dollars. And yes, Morons would gladly pay it!

But, unlike the Auto Market, where the Dealerships have Legislative Protection and the Consumer really does
not have a leg to stand on, Kershaw saw that they could do something to fix the problem. It was real simple,
no "Limited" knives would be available for Dealers. Limited Knives would be sold by KAI, Direct via the Web
via Facebook, Instagram and via Newsletter. They sold every knife from the first limited run in 3 minutes, all
sold at MSRP. After that, if someone chose to put one on Ebay and price it at $1000+ Dollars, that was their
business.

This strategy gave consumers, true collectors and those who appreciate "the brand" a chance to get into the
product without being F'd over by Greedy Dealers. The "Secondary Market" stays completely intact.

How's that Free Market work again? :x

 

[Tout09]

Ha Ha... You so funny!!!!!

No the system DOES NOT work as it is. Let me give you a great example of how to fix it. I am going to use
KAI as an example (Kershaw Knives USA). Kershaw has a Sister Company called Zero Tolerance. ZT makes
"Mid Tech" knives, prices start in the mid $150 range and can go upwards of $700.00 MSRP.

What had been happening for the past few years is that a hand full of on-line dealers would purchase ALL of
the ZT Limited Knives at, whatever dealer cost is (say 20% off MSRP). They would then turn around and
instantly price these "Limited Production" knifes at $1000.00 + Dollars. And yes, Morons would gladly pay it!

But, unlike the Auto Market, where the Dealerships have Legislative Protection and the Consumer really does
not have a leg to stand on, Kershaw saw that they could do something to fix the problem. It was real simple,
no "Limited" knives would be available for Dealers. Limited Knives would be sold by KAI, Direct via the Web
via Facebook, Instagram and via Newsletter. They sold every knife from the first limited run in 3 minutes, all
sold at MSRP. After that, if someone chose to put one on Ebay and price it at $1000+ Dollars, that was their
business.

This strategy gave consumers, true collectors and those who appreciate "the brand" a chance to get into the
product without being F'd over by Greedy Dealers. The "Secondary Market" stays completely intact.

How's that Free Market work again? :x

Bret, I bet your a liberal and voted for Obama too , people make the market what it is, if they stop buying the market adjusts to demand, easy and simple.

 

[MizzouRT]

Bret, the system works as it is, if you don't like it move on...

At least it appears you now realize "the system" is not a free market, as the franchise laws make it an imperfect, unfree market where key players (the manufacturers) are prevented from selling direct to consumers by law. Nothing "free" about making a criminal out of a consumer who buys a car directly from the manufacturer. That is signficant government interference in the free market you were touting.

I agree if you don't like the system, the immediate alternatives are to opt out of the game (move on as you said) or play by the current rules. But a third alternative is for the system to change. My guess is the dealer's precious ban on direct sales is not as safe or secure as they think, especially with Elon Musk and his billions in the game.