I have had a 2011 Black Challenger SE rallye package SST group on order since October. The military new car sales program supposedly had a promised delivery date to port of 2 Feb, it is now a month late and stuck on a railcar in OH. I am getting very impatient, so I went to my dealer and he told me of a few 2010 R/T's they have in stock with 8K in discounts and 1k in loyalty/college grad cash, so I went and checked them out. They are all RT classics, and they don't have any extra features added to the packages, all and all it would have been cheaper then my SE with every feature added, so as you can see I had a tough choice to make; I am getting $2750 in discounts on my SE. I was very tempted, but I choose to wait for my dream car, instead of sacrificing the amenities I wanted (remote start, nav, keyless entry, ipod, etc) for the bigger engine. The RT sure would have been fun to drive, but with all the niceties I wanted, plus the extra $70 a month I would have paid insurance, I decided that I will be happier in the long run by waiting. I am sure many on the forums would have went for the bigger engine, but I just thought I would share my story. Wish me luck as I prepare to wait at least another month ( its 22 days on a ship once it reaches port), instead of driving an RT right now. It was a very hard choice to make.