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I am having a dealer do my 392 cam swap with the TC recall and i need a list of parts needed(With PT#s and price).I am supplying the parts and they are going to install them so i need to make sure i give them everything.They are removing the heads so do i need head gaskets,Intake man gaskets,exhaust gaskets(Donuts?),valve cover gaskets and anything else??It would be great to have a package deal from some of our vendors(HINT HINT) that included everything!So far this is what i have got from all your info here.I know there are a ton of 392 swap threads on here and i have read like 50 pages worth but i don't see one from the beginning with all the specs.I will update the list if i get more info.Thanks


TC recall parts:

$3.70 Timing chain guide 04893429AA
43.75 Timing Chain 53022316AC
107.00 Cam Sprocket 53022243AF
33.35 Crank sprocket 53022317AC
80.50 TC Tensioner 53022115AH


392 cam parts MDS(auto)


$70.00 Camshaft 05038419AB
$500.00 Valve Springs - PSI Performance springs LS 1511ML
-Spring cups - Manley 42324-16
-Steel Retainers - Comp Cams 761-16
????????- push rods Push Rods: Manley 5.7/6.4 HEMI Set #26640 (6.80"Int/8.10"Exh .080 wall 4130 chrome moly)


26.60 New VVT Solenoid 53022338AB---Optional?
 

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Well it looks like you read my install which covers everything

3.70 Timing chain guide 04893429AA
26.60 New VVT Solenoid 53022338AB
43.75 Timing Chain 53022316AC
107.00 Cam Sprocket 53022243AF
33.35 Crank sprocket 53022317AC
80.50 TC Tensioner 53022115AH


Cam swap parts using the 6.4 with MDS (auto)
Camshaft 05038419AB
Valve Springs - PSI Performance springs LS 1511ML
Spring cups - Manley 42324-16
Steel Retainers - Comp Cams 761-16
Arrington push rods
6.80 intake 210 radius .080 wall thickness
8.075 exhaust 210 radius .080 wall thickness
Arrington shims .02 for intake and .03 for exhaust

Arrington and modern muscle both offer a kit, I got mine from Arrington.

To answer you final question, you do not need a limiter for this swap but the shims are a must.

Good luck
 

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That price on the PSI springs is really high about 2X what I paid for mine.
 

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Well it looks like you read my install which covers everything

3.70 Timing chain guide 04893429AA
26.60 New VVT Solenoid 53022338AB
43.75 Timing Chain 53022316AC
107.00 Cam Sprocket 53022243AF
33.35 Crank sprocket 53022317AC
80.50 TC Tensioner 53022115AH


Cam swap parts using the 6.4 with MDS (auto)
Camshaft 05038419AB
Valve Springs - PSI Performance springs LS 1511ML
Spring cups - Manley 42324-16
Steel Retainers - Comp Cams 761-16
Arrington push rods
6.80 intake 210 radius .080 wall thickness
8.075 exhaust 210 radius .080 wall thickness
Arrington shims .02 for intake and .03 for exhaust

Arrington and modern muscle both offer a kit, I got mine from Arrington.

To answer you final question, you do not need a limiter for this swap but the shims are a must.

Good luck
That price on the PSI springs is really high about 2X what I paid for mine.
Actually both of you guys have been a huge help and i apreciate it!Did you guys pull the heads to do the job?My dealer is insisting on pulling them to do the springs and now i kinda agree with them it is safer.But will i need new head gaskets or are they the reusable shim style ones,Do you know what other gaskets i would need for the top end?Thanks a bunch.
Hal on the springs it was for the full kit shims, springs ,cups and the limiter(But i guess i dont need it?):icon_cheers:
 

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I didn't need to pull the heads.

Removing the rocker shafts, the valves are closed and used an air compressor with a air chuck adapter to hold the valves closed. Easy to do.

The price I mentioned are the springs themselves.

The cost of chrome moly pushrods (Manley) and the retainers (Comp Cams), spring locators (Manley) ran ~ $300 including the shipping.

If you can get the "kit" for $500 for springs and the associated parts, that is a good price.

Don't need the limiter...the OEM 392 cam from Chrysler has the asymmetric lobes and the proper clearance @ full lift for the 5.7.

The aftermarket cams have symmetrical lobes and combine the higher lift cam with VVT, and those don't afford the clearances, so cam phaser limiters are needed in those instances.
 

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Just a quick tip, I called my dealership and priced out the P01 recall kit, its $50 as a kit.
Oh that must only be the timing chain and guide?
 

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Oh that must only be the timing chain and guide?
I haven't ordered it yet as I'm not ready to do the job but they said it was the entire P01 kit as per the recall... This was just outside of Toronto though, maybe the USA is different.

This is usually how I order my recall stuff as I do my own recalls... Usually crazy cheap if you request the "kit". Best kit ever was a $250 Serpentine belt and tensioner on civic for $43...
 

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I haven't ordered it yet as I'm not ready to do the job but they said it was the entire P01 kit as per the recall... This was just outside of Toronto though, maybe the USA is different.

This is usually how I order my recall stuff as I do my own recalls... Usually crazy cheap if you request the "kit". Best kit ever was a $250 Serpentine belt and tensioner on civic for $43...
Yea i just checked my recall notice and it also includes the tensioner but that alone cost like $80?
 

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Just a quick tip, I called my dealership and priced out the P01 recall kit, its $50 as a kit.
That's cheaper than the price of the TC tensioner alone! List is ~ $81 for that.

The chain and guide are pretty moderately priced.
 

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I did mine without removing the heads and it was not a big deal.
 

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Thanks too everyone with all your help i have ordered all my spring parts and pushrods.Im not sure if im going to need shims for the springs to set the hieght?Did anyone use them if so do you have pt#s??I think im just going to use mopar head gaskets?
 

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Could someone list all of the price/parts needed to do a 392 cam swap on a 2010 6 speed manual 5.7. What is the average hp and torque this can achieve? Thanks.
 

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Could someone list all of the price/parts needed to do a 392 cam swap on a 2010 6 speed manual 5.7. What is the average hp and torque this can achieve? Thanks.
Heres what i have so far..
PSI LS1511ML
$224
Steel retainers
Comp Cams 761-16
$53.50
Spring cups -
Manley 42324-16
$72

Push Rods
Manley 5.7/6.4 HEMI Set #26640 (6.80"Int/8.10"Exh .080 wall 4130 chrome moly)
$150

Cam shaft(dealer)
auto w/mds
Camshaft 05038419AB
$97.00


It ;looks like close to a 50hp gain so far.
 

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Valve guides and seals will be fine
Always do a google search of part numbers when buying parts. Go thru about 10 different vendors and check prices (including shipping). You can save a bundle by shopping around. Time of year also plays a part in pricing. During the holidays or right after prices are lower. Prices raise in the springtime as demand also rises.
Or if you don't want to spend the time shopping, you can call Arrington or Steve White or a few other vendors, and they can sell you it all as a kit. It usually isn't that much more, maybe $100-ish.

Cam - I purchased from allmoparparts.com was $54 shipped. The price is now A LOT more.

Springs - PSI LS1511ML
Check ebay. You can find them usually around $200. I paid $208 shipped. Roush has the same price but will add shipping

Retainers - Comp Cams 761-16
I found for around $37

Cups - Manley 42324-16
I got for under $50

Push rods - use stock. They'll be fine, unless you plan on boosting later

Spacers
.020" for intake
.030" for exhaust
Arrington - @$18 +shipping

You will also need the right tools. Comp Cams sells a "in head" spring compressor. Can get for around $125. Also will need a cylinder leak-down kit for pressurizing the cylinders.

I don't have numbers yet, as I am waiting to get in with Tim Barth for tuning in two weeks. All reports say 60hp. But I am skeptical. I am expecting around 30-40.
All reports of 60-ish have also been stock engines and a tune has been added with swap. I saw a 20+hp gain on a Diablosport canned 93 tune.

My last dyno run netted a 340hp/398tq. That was 93 tune and cold air.
Didn't do a stock run, but most reports have been 317-319hp pretty consistently, so I will go with that.
I will not be able to give accurate numbers on cam alone because I have also added a 87mm tb and JBA shorties with the swap.

Tune day is May 14
 

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Does anyone know if i should replace the valve guide seals i only have 11k miles on the motor??
Not necessary - the springs can be changed using compressed air w/ spark plug adapter.

This way, you're not pulling the valve stems (and retainer grooves) through the seals. And you don't need to change them as a result.
 
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