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I never removed mine before warranty work, have the lifetime warranty on my current car and had it on my last one, and nobody can VOID your warranty for just using a catch can. That's against the law.


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But that's the whole point...they did void that Camaro guys warranty and he went to court.
I am paranoid as well, I do not trust any dealerships.
I will wait until MOPAR releases one.
I thought they were going to?
What happened?
 

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But that's the whole point...they did void that Camaro guys warranty and he went to court.

I am paranoid as well, I do not trust any dealerships.

I will wait until MOPAR releases one.

I thought they were going to?

What happened?


But it wasn't voided, that particular repair was denied. The warranty was still in effect for the rest of the car as well as other parts of the engine.

Warranties can be restricted (require mfr approval before warranty work is done) and specific repairs can be denied if the problem wasn't due to "defect", but they cannot void the entire vehicle's warranty due to a mod like a catch can. That is against the law.


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But that's the whole point...they did void that Camaro guys warranty and he went to court.
I am paranoid as well, I do not trust any dealerships.
I will wait until MOPAR releases one.
I thought they were going to?
What happened?

Yes, a few years back, they were going to, and had a few pics floating around, Then BAM, nothing, Hints were that the FCA legal eagles put the end to it for liability reasons.


FCA can't assure that it will be emptied, then there's emissions and potential engine issues, so they scrapped the offering.


It looked like the "BT" unit IIRC.


My dealer never had any issue with it installed on my '10 R/TC or my '16 Scat Pack. We've discussed it, and "no warranty problem" with it.


FWIW, Lifetime Bumper to Bumper warranties on both cars. It's really a non issue, and if a dealer says differently, then they aren't a very good dealer. I would find another one if they are that ignorant about catch cans and their function.
 

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According to the Camaro owner, GM has indeed voided his entire Powertrain Warranty, not just denied this one claim. GM's position is that a catch can is not simply an aftermarket part that you are allowed to use under Magnuson-Moss, but it is a modification to the factory design and that modification can and in this case, will, void any warranty on the modified part (engine). Why they voided his entire powertrain I do not know but that is what has happened. Below is his entire post on this..


Final resolution from GM

I have heard a final resolution from GM.

However, first I want to say a huge thank you to everyone in here, I was simply hoping to air my story and see what happened. I never dreamed it would turn into what it did. The idea of a petition never crossed my mind, and I am very grateful for Mr Stacy and the things he did for me in this. I am grateful for everyone who signed the petition, and those that didn’t sign, but offered words of encouragement or advice, and the ones who sent me PM’s to encourage me. As anyone can imagine this whole situation felt like a kick in the nuts, and everyone here has really helped me pull through it.

GM’s final verdict is that my entire powertrain warranty will remain blocked, and they will not fix my car. The catch can may or may not have been the causes of the failure, but according to the owner’s manual any modification can void your warranty. I knew going in to this, like everyone, else that what I was doing could void the warranty, but I listened to the stories online of “I have X, Y, and Z mods and I got warrantied”. I took a calculated risk that adding the catch can would not void my warranty, and I was wrong.

Now before everyone goes and blames GM on this please understand something. I also greatly believe that your relationship with your dealer, as well as the knowledge of the dealer plays a HUGE part in what does and/or doesn’t get covered. Like several have mentioned I had my car taken to a GMC Cadillac dealer who may not have had much experience with the Camaro and the LS3. That lack of experience and knowledge about the car may have led them to believe my car was more modified than it was. Your experience may vary at your dealership. Your dealer may have more knowledge, and may know you better, and may cover your car with a catch can and a cold air intake. However GM’s stance is that modifications void your warranty, and I understand and agree with that.

GM will not be fixing my car, and I understand and agree with them on why they won’t. If they fix mine because I only have a cold air intake and a catch can, where does it end? What about the guy who only has intake and shorty headers but no tune? What about the guy who has only this or only that? Where do they draw the line? GM drew the line at NO modifications, and that is ok with me.

Now again before ya’ll rush off to sell your cars or burn them down or picket GM, please understand something else. I did not take what I was told by GM to be if you have fuzzy dice on your mirror your warranty is done or if you have different tires, or used none GM fluids. I took it to mean that if you added modifications to the vehicle. If you added something that was not originally there or significantly altered your vehicle with none OE equivalent parts then you were voiding you warranty. I took it as so long as the parts used were OE or OE equivalent replacements you would be ok, and that makes sense to me, and I agree with it.

Could I continue to fight this and take it all to court? Sure. However I don’t have the money, time, or energy to go to court over this. I need my car up and running, and can afford to do so, so I will be fixing my car myself. I greatly appreciate everyone who donated money to the GO FUND ME (you should be getting a refund) but I don’t want to fight this in court.

On a positive note, now that my warranty is done, I am free to mod to my hearts (or atleast my wallet’s) content. Again THANK YOU to everyone who has supported me in this, I cannot express how helpful all of this was for me. And please don’t let this shake your faith in GM, they are a company that got put in an awkward situation and had a choice to make, and made the one that protected them, and I do not blame them at all. GM still makes a great product, and I will probably continue to be a customer in the future.


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According to the Camaro owner, GM has indeed voided his entire Powertrain Warranty, not just denied this one claim. GM's position is that a catch can is not simply an aftermarket part that you are allowed to use under Magnuson-Moss, but it is a modification to the factory design and that modification can and in this case, will, void any warranty on the modified part (engine). Why they voided his entire powertrain I do not know but that is what has happened. Below is his entire post on this..


Final resolution from GM

I have heard a final resolution from GM.

However, first I want to say a huge thank you to everyone in here, I was simply hoping to air my story and see what happened. I never dreamed it would turn into what it did. The idea of a petition never crossed my mind, and I am very grateful for Mr Stacy and the things he did for me in this. I am grateful for everyone who signed the petition, and those that didn’t sign, but offered words of encouragement or advice, and the ones who sent me PM’s to encourage me. As anyone can imagine this whole situation felt like a kick in the nuts, and everyone here has really helped me pull through it.

GM’s final verdict is that my entire powertrain warranty will remain blocked, and they will not fix my car. The catch can may or may not have been the causes of the failure, but according to the owner’s manual any modification can void your warranty. I knew going in to this, like everyone, else that what I was doing could void the warranty, but I listened to the stories online of “I have X, Y, and Z mods and I got warrantied”. I took a calculated risk that adding the catch can would not void my warranty, and I was wrong.

Now before everyone goes and blames GM on this please understand something. I also greatly believe that your relationship with your dealer, as well as the knowledge of the dealer plays a HUGE part in what does and/or doesn’t get covered. Like several have mentioned I had my car taken to a GMC Cadillac dealer who may not have had much experience with the Camaro and the LS3. That lack of experience and knowledge about the car may have led them to believe my car was more modified than it was. Your experience may vary at your dealership. Your dealer may have more knowledge, and may know you better, and may cover your car with a catch can and a cold air intake. However GM’s stance is that modifications void your warranty, and I understand and agree with that.

GM will not be fixing my car, and I understand and agree with them on why they won’t. If they fix mine because I only have a cold air intake and a catch can, where does it end? What about the guy who only has intake and shorty headers but no tune? What about the guy who has only this or only that? Where do they draw the line? GM drew the line at NO modifications, and that is ok with me.

Now again before ya’ll rush off to sell your cars or burn them down or picket GM, please understand something else. I did not take what I was told by GM to be if you have fuzzy dice on your mirror your warranty is done or if you have different tires, or used none GM fluids. I took it to mean that if you added modifications to the vehicle. If you added something that was not originally there or significantly altered your vehicle with none OE equivalent parts then you were voiding you warranty. I took it as so long as the parts used were OE or OE equivalent replacements you would be ok, and that makes sense to me, and I agree with it.

Could I continue to fight this and take it all to court? Sure. However I don’t have the money, time, or energy to go to court over this. I need my car up and running, and can afford to do so, so I will be fixing my car myself. I greatly appreciate everyone who donated money to the GO FUND ME (you should be getting a refund) but I don’t want to fight this in court.

On a positive note, now that my warranty is done, I am free to mod to my hearts (or atleast my wallet’s) content. Again THANK YOU to everyone who has supported me in this, I cannot express how helpful all of this was for me. And please don’t let this shake your faith in GM, they are a company that got put in an awkward situation and had a choice to make, and made the one that protected them, and I do not blame them at all. GM still makes a great product, and I will probably continue to be a customer in the future.


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Wow that must have been some good lube GM used on him to be so positive after being ****** so hard!
 

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Slidd, I don't know the guy or the whole story since it's just one side of it, but the GM warranty does not state that the entire warranty will be void if mods are done to any part of it. The guy's story is an interesting one, but it's also the exception and not the rule. It's also the one story being referenced repeatedly as the cautionary tale. But it's just one story. And half a story at that.

I'm not going to say that it should be dismissed entirely, but think about this. If it were really a warranty issue caused by the catch can then why is this the only example out there? How many thousands of cars are out there running catch cans with no warranty issues?

Food for thought.


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I will say that the only way I will not install a catch can, is if I am leasing a car and do not plan on keeping it. I put a can on my 13 RT when I purchased it new and have taken it to the dealer every 2k for an oil change, and they have never said anything about it. I empty the can before I take it in, and there is always 2 inches of oil in it. So if you want a gummed up mess in your engine, do not install one. I installed a Billet Technology can and it works great. I have only owned one chevy back in the 80's and it was a V8 vega that I built, so I did not worry about a warranty.
 

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I was a complete non-believer when I first started reading forum posts about catch cans. I read all the arguments and finally decided that it couldn't hurt anything so I installed one, with 13,000 miles on the car. I now have 25,000 miles on it and have drained the can several times, the last time just a few minutes ago. Here's some pictures showing how much has been collected in a 20 oz Gatorade bottle.

My dealer has never mentioned it. However, I guess that could be due to not ever having a warranty issue. I'm 3 years into a 7 year warranty and certainly hope it never causes a claim problem.
 

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I never removed mine before warranty work, have the lifetime warranty on my current car and had it on my last one, and nobody can VOID your warranty for just using a catch can. That's against the law.


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Dealers are not going to void any warranty because they see a CC. My fear is, if something goes wrong with my motor (drop a valve or the likes) then they will use the CC as a reason for the failure. Then they will send the legal team in and void the warranty.

It's not cost effective for them to fight you on it until there's is a big repair bill on the line.
 

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Dealers are not going to void any warranty because they see a CC. My fear is, if something goes wrong with my motor (drop a valve or the likes) then they will use the CC as a reason for the failure. Then they will send the legal team in and void the warranty.

It's not cost effective for them to fight you on it until there's is a big repair bill on the line.
I'd like to see anyone explain how something like that could even happen. That would be like blaming window tint for the door locks no longer working. Ultimately it comes down to the cost of a legal battle. Doesn't matter that we have the MMWA on our side, doesn't matter that they have to PROVE the part caused the failure, they're just betting that you won't spend the time, effort, or money to fight them.

At the end of the day, it comes down to your dealer. If you have a jerk dealer that wants to nit-pick and call out any mods then you need to find a better dealer. If you have a good dealer that is "mod friendly" then you shouldn't have any problems unless it's a legitimate problem caused by or related to a mod. I've never had warranty problems with my '11, the issues not covered were legitimate problems caused by or related to something I did, the clutch issue being the exception but even then the dealer covered the pilot bearing and actuator under warranty, leaving me to pay for the clutch kit (30k+ miles on the original clutch, was the grease issue but at the time it was still unclear where the fault was for that year and it was the regional manager that had the final say). The techs and service writers always complimented my car and how clean it was (Also a good way to show you don't abuse the car) and never once balked at the mods or tried to be jerks and threaten to flag my VIN simply because of all the mods it had.

The dealer and our attitudes towards them make the biggest difference, IMO. A bad dealer is a bad dealer and would have no problem denying repairs on a 100% stock vehicle if they thought they could pin the fault on the owner. Customer pay > warranty pay.
 

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I keep my OEM tube in the trunk. If I did have a "major engine failure", and I was far away from home, I could pull the CC and put the tube on in 5 minutes or less.


A "just in case" thing, if I do run into a major problem, and a major idiot dealer.


May sound stupid, but heck, there's tuner companies that "preach" the same thing....."take it off and they will never know!" LOL
 

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I will say that the only way I will not install a catch can, is if I am leasing a car and do not plan on keeping it. I put a can on my 13 RT when I purchased it new and have taken it to the dealer every 2k for an oil change, and they have never said anything about it. I empty the can before I take it in, and there is always 2 inches of oil in it. So if you want a gummed up mess in your engine, do not install one. I installed a Billet Technology can and it works great. I have only owned one chevy back in the 80's and it was a V8 vega that I built, so I did not worry about a warranty.
Two inches of oil in 2k miles on a stock motor sounds like A LOT. I have never had that amount on a stock setup, now with the blower that's a different story.
 

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Glad to hear that the 8,000 miles has not gummed up my engine and it may still benefit from a catch can.

Now i have to find one that will work well with the 392 Shaker....
It won't "gum up" your engine.
There are Challengers that have over 100,000 miles on them and no catch can and they run fine with no engine problems.
In fact, I don't think any manufacturer puts a catch can on their engines and many of those run 200,000 miles with no problems.

My point is this, does a catch can catch some oil? Yes it does.

Does a engine WITHOUT a catch can run just fine for hundreds of thousands of miles? Yes many do.

Is there any proof that a catch can will make your engine last longer? No there isn't.
 

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It won't "gum up" your engine.
There are Challengers that have over 100,000 miles on them and no catch can and they run fine with no engine problems.
In fact, I don't think any manufacturer puts a catch can on their engines and many of those run 200,000 miles with no problems.

My point is this, does a catch can catch some oil? Yes it does.

Does a engine WITHOUT a catch can run just fine for hundreds of thousands of miles? Yes many do.

Is there any proof that a catch can will make your engine last longer? No there isn't.
Its not necessarily about lasting longer its about maintaining performance. That oil coating the intake will degrade performance over those 100,000 miles. Keeping that oil out is a factor in increasing the length of time your motor will maintain peak performance.

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That oil coating the intake will degrade performance over those 100,000 miles. Keeping that oil out is a factor in increasing the length of time your motor will maintain peak performance.

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I'm betting the performance "degrade" if any, isn't even noticable.
If it was, cleaning your intake would be listed in the regular maintenance IF the build up was that bad and since manufacturers don't put a catch can on.......but it's not because it's not impacting the engine as much as some people think.
BUT.....that being said it definitely doesn't "hurt" to put on a catch can, just not as detrimental as some people think.
 

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Does anyone have 1st hand experience with a Shaker can for 6.4?

I am leaning towards the BT or SpeedLogix...

Not Shaker, but I liked the BT so much on my first Challenger, that I bought another BT for my Scat Pack.


Hard to beat the BT quality IMO.
 
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