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This is one of those posts that should have stayed buried in 2018. LOL



THIS....





I guess he wanted the last word really bad..:lol:
 

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What the 5.7 Challenger is, is the easiest modern Hemi to mod without breaking stuff. My 2014 Limited Edition Shaker is living proof of it... >:)
 

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Dude...or person that identifies with dude...

Supporting evidence for what? Evidence is not needed for what I said... and on top of that there is plenty of supporting out there already. You might be better off listening more and talking less.
 

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Agree with what others have said. All week long I drive an anemic Elantra for work. The thing does 0-60 in almost 10 seconds flat. When I get into the wife's Challenger that 5.7 0-60 time seems fast, but once I get in my Mazda I'm reminded of how much slower the Challenger is. It's all about perspective. My Mazda is awful down low because I spin like no other, but past 60 it's fast. Ultimately, the Challenger is so much better ride and comfort wise compared to everything else I drive though. My only complaint is the god awful sound system in it. The stock radio/speakers are hands down the worst I've ever heard.

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I daily drive my RT after winter and after a week or two of driving it i feel like its not fast enough. like its not throwing my back in the seat enough or isnt enough power to scare me. So im working on selling my 73 and my 14 rt to pay for a hellcat. That should be enough power to scare me haha
 

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I daily drive my RT after winter and after a week or two of driving it i feel like its not fast enough. like its not throwing my back in the seat enough or isnt enough power to scare me. So im working on selling my 73 and my 14 rt to pay for a hellcat. That should be enough power to scare me haha
That's an interesting perspective. That "oh holy hell!" seat-of-your-pants feeling you get from a fast car has got to be one of the most pleasurable feelings in life. Plus, with the Hellcat, you get the added effect of the supercharger whine added to the mix. I'd figure it would be an intoxicating symphony of speed and sound.

From my perspective, the R/T is certainly "fast" based on the 0-60 and quarter-mile times, especially compared to my old-as-dirt Mustang. The Hellcat, with it's sub-4 second zero-to-60 time, would probably feel "stupid fast". It sounds like that's exactly what you're looking for. Hope you get it!
 

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I hear that the 5.7 R/T isn't considered a fast car by quite a few auto enthusiasts. While there are many performance vehicles that are much faster, the argument is pretty much subjective at best. In your own opinion, is the Challenger R/T 5.7 a fast car or not? And what constitutes a car to be considered 'fast'?

When I test drove the SXT v6, R/T 5.7 and SRT with 392 there wasn't much difference in feeling as far as acceleration goes between the SXT and R/T so between those two models I would go with the SXT V6.


Major deal breaker is the SRT 392 as that will pin you to the seat.
 

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I drove an SXT for fifteen months before trading in for an R/T. My impression after my initial R/T test drive was that the difference in acceleration was apparent, at least to me. I have never sat in an SRT and probably never will as I am not a track guy, but do like to tinker and mod. My advice would be this ... unless you care about the V8 sound, I would go with the SXT or even the SXT Plus. It has more power than you will ever need and still push you back in the seat.
 

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There is about a 141ft-lb and 70HP difference between an SXT and RT...that should be more than noticeable.



Just like it is quite noticeable difference between an RT and SP (60ft-lb and 110HP difference).

Actually, this reminds me of the topic where people were saying the SP felt quicker than the HC.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a25271/fool-your-butt-dyno-for-fun-and-profit/
ChallyTatum nice post, it's nice to see them all laid out with the numbers side by side.

Like you stated comparing the v6 to the 5.7, 70 hp is definitely noticeable and the torque really seperates the two.

My thoughts are if a person isn't really an enthusiast and doesn't drive cars to their full potential they may not notice the differences in power as much.

My wife has the 2019 Charger with the v6.. I notice it runs higher rpms over the 5.7 at the same speeds while accelerating, meaning the trans dowshifts quicker during acceleration to keep it in the higher rpm range where it has more power/ torque. They have the trans setup really nicely so it keeps the car in the power band all the time. So it runs nicely and feels pretty strong. So to that point, someone that doesn't notice engine rpm or how the car is reacting to how you are driving may not notice how much harder the engine is working to maintain the same level of performance. In that case they won't notice a big difference between the two.

Not sure if I articulated my point very well, bur hopefully it makes sense.

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Wish they would have done a better 5.7L a few years back but when the Scat Pack came out that killed that idea.

There was talk when the 2015 came out that there would be a 2015 SXT with optional 5.7L. They could have used the standard 5.7L for that and then built up a special 5.7L that would have been used on the R/T .. new cylinder heads, higher compression, better cam, exhaust manifolds, the active intake off the 6.4L and the same active exhaust. That could have got them to 425hp and would have made for a nice R/T.

Maybe if they keep the 5.7L around they'll look at this again.


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Wish they would have done a better 5.7L a few years back but when the Scat Pack came out that killed that idea.

There was talk when the 2015 came out that there would be a 2015 SXT with optional 5.7L. They could have used the standard 5.7L for that and then built up a special 5.7L that would have been used on the R/T .. new cylinder heads, higher compression, better cam, exhaust manifolds, the active intake off the 6.4L and the same active exhaust. That could have got them to 425hp and would have made for a nice R/T.

Maybe if they keep the 5.7L around they'll look at this again.


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To be fair, in 2015 the R/T was technically just a package on top of the SXT. When I get a chance later I'll take a picture of the window sticker.

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To be fair, in 2015 the R/T was technically just a package on top of the SXT. When I get a chance later I'll take a picture of the window sticker.

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Oh yeah I remember and that topic still comes up today.

All 2015 R/Ts show as an SXT with a 5.7L and there was no true R/T model for 15, it was just a trim package on the SXT. We still don't know the reason for doing this for this one year only and they put it back the way it was for 2016 and later.



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ChallyTatum nice post, it's nice to see them all laid out with the numbers side by side.

Like you stated comparing the v6 to the 5.7, 70 hp is definitely noticeable and the torque really seperates the two.

My thoughts are if a person isn't really an enthusiast and doesn't drive cars to their full potential they may not notice the differences in power as much.

My wife has the 2019 Charger with the v6.. I notice it runs higher rpms over the 5.7 at the same speeds while accelerating, meaning the trans dowshifts quicker during acceleration to keep it in the higher rpm range where it has more power/ torque. They have the trans setup really nicely so it keeps the car in the power band all the time. So it runs nicely and feels pretty strong. So to that point, someone that doesn't notice engine rpm or how the car is reacting to how you are driving may not notice how much harder the engine is working to maintain the same level of performance. In that case they won't notice a big difference between the two.

Not sure if I articulated my point very well, bur hopefully it makes sense.

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I have not looked at stock tunes in terms of their trans shift points between the SXT and RT but that could have something to do with it. Problem with the RT that I notice is the low redline (I think my stock redline was 5700)...to me that is very noticeable as the V6 seems to scream. That and the RT's power falls on it's face near redline...and if you hit the rev limit it literally feels like the car was just kicked in the lug nuts. However that low end torque is definitely noticeable.
 

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I have not looked at stock tunes in terms of their trans shift points between the SXT and RT but that could have something to do with it. Problem with the RT that I notice is the low redline (I think my stock redline was 5700)...to me that is very noticeable as the V6 seems to scream. That and the RT's power falls on it's face near redline...and if you hit the rev limit it literally feels like the car was just kicked in the lug nuts. However that low end torque is definitely noticeable.

Yep, on my '17 R/T if I just stand on it it shifts around 5700. I heard about how the 5.7 flattens out fast. I've gotten my best 0-60 by manually shifting around 5400 as it seems pointless to rev past that. All stock tune.
 

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In my business (Nuclear Power Plants), I go to a lot of different places and some of the rental companies have some interesting choices now. I'm only working 3.5 hours from home and so I'm driving the SRT so I can go home on the weekends easily on 4-10 weeks before the refueling outage starts. Hertz at DFW has a lot of new Challenger R/T's that guys that work with me are renting. Two other guys even got Camaro SS's from them. It's pretty fun to hear them talk crap about what they feel these cars can do. It's amazing to see people that have never driven anything with horsepower over 250 get into an R/T or SS and realize that's there's a whole new world out there. Most of these people are younger engineers coming right out of training and the thing I hear most is that they love the sounds these cars make.

Hate to break it to them that while the feeling of the acceleration and torque will remain through the changes in vehicles, the sounds are a dying breed and will soon be replaced by the whine of electric motors.
 

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To me the 5.7 is all about low end torque, which is kind of where you live most of the time. Just picked up our new 19 R/T on Saturday. Nice driving car. This car is primarily for my wife as a daily and our trip car. I have enough, stupid fast, impractical cars in the barn (Viper, Z06). This one checks all the boxes for us. I was a little underwhelmed when we test drove the 6 cylinder. The 5.7 Hemi makes nice torque and the exhaust sounds great. It's satisfyingly fast but not fast compared to the larger hemi or the Hellcats and Demons. It's no slug though. It meets our needs perfectly. Fast, comfortable, fuel efficient and it's got a Hemi.
 

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ChallyTatum nice post, it's nice to see them all laid out with the numbers side by side.

Like you stated comparing the v6 to the 5.7, 70 hp is definitely noticeable and the torque really seperates the two.

My thoughts are if a person isn't really an enthusiast and doesn't drive cars to their full potential they may not notice the differences in power as much.

My wife has the 2019 Charger with the v6.. I notice it runs higher rpms over the 5.7 at the same speeds while accelerating, meaning the trans dowshifts quicker during acceleration to keep it in the higher rpm range where it has more power/ torque. They have the trans setup really nicely so it keeps the car in the power band all the time. So it runs nicely and feels pretty strong. So to that point, someone that doesn't notice engine rpm or how the car is reacting to how you are driving may not notice how much harder the engine is working to maintain the same level of performance. In that case they won't notice a big difference between the two.

Not sure if I articulated my point very well, bur hopefully it makes sense.

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case in point that if a person babys the car and doesn't push it to the limits they won't notice the differences between the 5.7 R/T and the SXT Penstar engine which I believe they use this V6 very same engine across the whole dodge platform in Dodges other cars and mini vans/SUVs? so it's not as exclusive engine like the Hellcat and the Redeye?
 

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