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I recently stumbled across some low mileage '13 and '14 300 SRT8's while surfing car-porn on Autotrader. I must say, the thought of a 470 HP tire-shredding GT/Camaro slayer disguised as a mild-mannered luxury sedan, has me intrigued. These cars have the same 5AT as my '13 Challenger R/T and the 14's appear to have a different model UConnect from my '13 RT (same as my 16 Ram). So, here's my question to the MOPAR gurus, other than the additional 100 HP which knocks like a second off of the 0-60 time over the 5.7 R/T Chally, how much different would a 300 SRT8 feel, say just in everyday driving? Weight appears to be only a couple hundred more and the "SRT8 Core" version come without the fancy suspension.

Intuition tells me that since they're on the same chassis, I wouldn't notice much of a difference. Would like to hear this or have it debunked by the esteemed and learned MOPAR veterans here.
 

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The chassis is the same between the cars - the 300 is heavier (longer wheelbase and more sound insulation)

The '11+ 300s have the newer uConnect 8.4" - the suspension even on an SRT version of the 300 will be a softer tuning than the comparable SRT Charger (next level up) vs. SRT Challenger (most aggressive).

It will certainly have more torque and acceleration - the years of the SRT version would be '12 - '14
 

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Yes, I can see the parts problem being a real issue with only several million of these transmissions being built.
 

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I love the 5AT in my '13 and I have the 8AT in the truck, and frankly, while it performs great in the truck, I don't want to bang that many gears when manually shifting. In the Challenger, when I'm in 5th gear and grab 4th on a highway off-ramp, I get immediate response. In the 8AT, I have to downshift to 7, 6, 5..even 4 before I get enough back-torque from the engine to help with deceleration. Same at highway speeds when i just want to slow a little based on some slower traffic, but don't want to get into the brakes at 80 MPH. For my driving needs, the 5AT is preferred.

The longer wheel-base appeals to me too, because the Challenger ride has always been just a little rough. A smoother ride sounds like a plus. Besides the bigger motor, one of the things that appeals to me the most is the sleeper-vibe AND how damn ugly the 300 is. I drive a RAM Rebel (with a face only a mother can love), and my previous two trucks were the 06 Ridgeline (what looks like the bastard offspring of an Avalanche and a Pilot) and '02 Avalanche. Also drove one of those snoopy nosed S-10 pickups and those hideous late 80's Astro vans. I'm oddly attracted to vehicles that other people turn their nose up at. And to have one like that, with a big HEMI and a 4.3 0-60 time would be great.
 

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I drove all the SRTs back to back at the Track Experience including the 300. I liked the 300 a lot better than the Charger. The 300 SRT is nicknamed the Banker's Hot Rod and it is worthy of the name. If I wanted a 4 door in that model year range the 300 SRT would be it if I could find one. I got to ride in the 300 SRT at then end of the day with the pro driver and in the right hands it is very capable.


Another comment. The Hellcat Challenger is a toy for me, not a daily driver. I think the 300 SRT would make a great daily driver.
 

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So far, I've heard nothing (besides the obvious lack of sporty look) that is a detractor from owning/driving the 300 SRT. The wheelbase is 4 inches more, which probably won't be a noticeable difference, nor will the <200 lbs extra weight (especially since I'd be picking up nearly 100 more HP over my 5.7. Some of my early posts here were about making a Hellcat or 392 ScatPack look like an SXT (Sleeper). What could be more of a sleeper than a bland-color (granite, silver, white), stock appearing (badges removed) 300 with a 470 HP HEMI under the hood? Gonna think long and hard about this one....................
 

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I don’t own a 300, but I do own a magnum which shares the longer wheelbase of the 300 and charger.
The longer wheelbase definitely adds some stability. The 300/charger are also better balanced weight wise front to back where the challenger is very front heavy. You’d be surprised how big a difference these changes are to the overall driving experience.
You are correct in noticing the transmissions are the same between your challenger and the 300. The 300 and charger got an interior makeover a couple of years ahead of the challenger though, and that means an updated canbus system. The newer u-connect screen was a part of that. If you were running a tranzformer on your challenger it will not swap over onto the 300. Panoramic sunroof was an option, and is pretty impressive!
My brother was in the market for a 2012-14 300 srt recently so we spent some time looking for one. They didn’t make a ton of them so they aren’t exactly plentiful on the used market. The most common issue with them if the interior trim piece that surrounds the center cupholder section has a tendency to peel up and separate. Well documented issue and there’s a ton of diy fixes on the 300 forums in case it happens to you out of warranty.
It’s a bad ass car, I’d love to see pics if you decide to pick one up.
 

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I don’t own a 300, but I do own a magnum which shares the longer wheelbase of the 300 and charger.
The longer wheelbase definitely adds some stability. The 300/charger are also better balanced weight wise front to back where the challenger is very front heavy. You’d be surprised how big a difference these changes are to the overall driving experience.
You are correct in noticing the transmissions are the same between your challenger and the 300. The 300 and charger got an interior makeover a couple of years ahead of the challenger though, and that means an updated canbus system. The newer u-connect screen was a part of that. If you were running a tranzformer on your challenger it will not swap over onto the 300. Panoramic sunroof was an option, and is pretty impressive!
My brother was in the market for a 2012-14 300 srt recently so we spent some time looking for one. They didn’t make a ton of them so they aren’t exactly plentiful on the used market. The most common issue with them if the interior trim piece that surrounds the center cupholder section has a tendency to peel up and separate. Well documented issue and there’s a ton of diy fixes on the 300 forums in case it happens to you out of warranty.
It’s a bad ass car, I’d love to see pics if you decide to pick one up.
Thanks for that info. Here's an Autotrader link to one I'm looking at now. I'm thinking that with the badges removed and perhaps something strategic to hide the SRT letter on the wheels, this bland, gray sedan could be a modern "sleeper".

https://cl.s4.exct.net/?qs=7c817fba5773cc4a74f3d3c79b23173c85015393c68aea2343e3ed1daf3c50241c0409814b729b4bfebf50251f0b429a11f7b2b5612ace8b481384f39bc76a9c
 

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That is a SRT Core which is missing some of the features of the full SRT. You might want to be sure it isn't missing anything you really want. Definitely worth checking out though.
 

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I love the 300 SRTs, in fact, I almost bought one. I ended up purchasing a very low mileage (1,628) 2013 Challenger SRT back in 2015. I am extremely happy with my Challenger. I lowered it with Hotchkis springs and swaybars, which dramatically improved the handling and provides an aggressive look. Even with the stiffer suspension, the ride is comfortable.

I certainly appreciate the "sleeper" aspect, but personally, I think Challengers are just plain beautiful cars. If you need a roomier ride, then the 300 is the way to go. If the additional room is not a factor, then I recommend searching for a 2013 or 2014 SRT Challenger or possibly a 2015 Scat Pack Challenger. I would imagine you can purchase a 2013 - 2015 SRT or Scat Pack for around $32K and have the power you crave. But if the "sleeper" approach is that appealing to you, then go with your gut and get the 300 SRT. I do; however, recommend taking Waumo's advice and make sure that the 300 SRT "Core" has all of the performance features you desire.

At the end of the day, they are both great cars. Good luck with your decision.
 

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That’s crazy low miles and it looks like it’s basically in like new condition.
If “sleeper” is what you wanna go for, an srt core 300 is kinda tough to beat.
It will as noted lose a few of the luxury options that the regular 300srt has.
Personally I think it’s still a pretty well optioned car, but it was years and years of driving for me before I had a car with power windows and door locks. My brother didn’t see the point in getting what’s basically a luxury car without the luxury. We agreed to disagree on that, it’s just a matter of taste. It’s what would now be a 300 scat pack. Pretty cool if you ask me.

My challenger is a 14, and I’ve got it set up as canyon carver with tons of suspension upgrades.
It handles like a go cart with a v8. There’s still a lot to be said for better weight distribution that you’ll get from the 300. It will just feel more planted. I’m not knocking the challenger, I love it and don’t plan on ever getting rid of mine. I love it. But I’ve driven my buddy’s rt charger and my rt magnum enough to find a few pluses to them as well.

Those wheels will be a little bit tricky if you want to remove the srt from the face.
You can fill the lettering with jb weld so that it’s flush and then have the wheels painted or powder coated. But matching that same finish is not an easy thing to do.

Any way to keep the challenger and add the 300?
My challenger isn’t going anywhere, and even though I just bought a Ram I’m not getting rid of the magnum either. I guess I’m an rt guy.
I’m gonna have to move before I get another vehicle though, I’m running out of parking spaces.
 

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I'd definitely consider the 300. It's a beautiful car in it's own right. I feel it's one of the last true American style full sized sedans that comes with its own bold and unique styling that make it stand out to remind us of the times when cars were fewer and larger on these big American roads. Add to that a huge, naturally aspirated V8 with tons of torque to get it moving. What's not to like?
 

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I'm ok with the "Core" and it's lack of some of the advanced features of the SRT. Less stuff to go wrong later. I don't road race and I don't drag race, so the SRT suspension stuff isn't really important to me. The 5AT and 6.4 HEMI in a plain package are what appeals to me. All I do is commute to work three days a week, 9-months a year (in my Challenger) and the 300 would be it's replacement (Stored in the winter). My wife and I already have three vehicles between us (Challenger, Ram Rebel (for winter/hunting/firewood hauling) and the wife's new Pilot. I can't justify a 4th vehicle. I have 4 grandkids between 4 and 8, so I can justify the additional space, but we normally haul them around in the Pilot (with the rear DVD) anyway.

IF (and it's a big IF) I go down this path, I wouldn't do anything as extreme as JB welding and painting the wheels. Not sure who's going to notice those letters anyway, and I like that they're the same color as the granite crystal body paint. If you're sitting at a stop light next to some young poser in a rice-rocket, a GT or a Camaro, they can't see my wheels anyway. I think just debadging the "SRT" from the back and "6.4 HEMI" from the sides would be enough.
 
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