Thanks Jay, I will be calling and hoping you can teach an old dog new tricks. I go through the books and read every thing two or three times, think I've got it. Hook up the laptop and my brain fries. The Dart is so much easier to tune and I don't think the Challenger will ever be able to catch it. Here ya go Jay, this is one of my last pic's from the Valley. Nothing is more fun then shifting a stick car at red line down the 1/4 mile as you know.