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Hello Everyone, I have a question. With the new 2015 challengers rolling out and especially the BEAUTIFUL Hellcat SRT, everyone is raving about the 707 HP its going to have. My question is would it be possible and more cost effective to upgrade an RT from the 375 to the 700 using a supercharger and a bunch of other parts (exhausts, headers, tune, etc... or would just buying the Hellcat version be better. I dont know what Supercharger would be able to get the numbers that high and how much it would cost. I am assuming that the new Hellcat will cost anywhere between 65 and 70k. A fully loaded RT according to the 2014 cost would be about 40K. Also if it is possible to get it to 700HP or so, what parts would be needed to add to a stock RT

What do you guys think?
 

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Hello Everyone, I have a question. With the new 2015 challengers rolling out and especially the BEAUTIFUL Hellcat SRT, everyone is raving about the 707 HP its going to have. My question is would it be possible and more cost effective to upgrade an RT from the 375 to the 700 using a supercharger and a bunch of other parts (exhausts, headers, tune, etc... or would just buying the Hellcat version be better. I dont know what Supercharger would be able to get the numbers that high and how much it would cost. I am assuming that the new Hellcat will cost anywhere between 65 and 70k. A fully loaded RT according to the 2014 cost would be about 40K. Also if it is possible to get it to 700HP or so, what parts would be needed to add to a stock RT

What do you guys think?
Not sure about the cost of upping an R/T to that kind of HP...but two things to keep in mind if it's possible for the money:

1) If you manage to get 700+ HP out of the 5.7, pretty much the only warranty you'd have left would be on the cupholders :lol:

2) Unless you're paying cash for the cars (which I'm not rich, so I've never done), you can Finance a Hellcat...and while you could finance the base R/T, you'd have to come up with cash for the $30K worth of performance parts.

Even if it would be possible (not enough of a mechanic to say yes or no to that), the Warranty issues alone would keep me from doing it.
 

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Just my opinion, but by the time you upgraded the internals, add the supercharger, tune, exhaust, torque converter, rear axels and brakes you may be better to buy a factory hotrod. Plus the resale value down the road.
 

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This is true. it would require alot of upgrades. The cost to own a hellcat financed for 63000 that includes 3000 in rebates and discount with 4k down and assuming 70000 for car is about 951 bucks a month!!!
 

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Tossing the same around...kinda. I'm at 600 hp (500 whp) and the Hellcat being 700 hp (600 whp) I have been planning to send my car to API for a forged 426 and a ProCharger (would yield near 900 hp, 760 whp) but at the cost of $25k it wouldn't be bad to just get a new Hellcat... I'd need to lower it a bit and put my wheels and tires on but otherwise I could drive it as is and be +100 hp.
Hmm thinking to do... depends on cost. If it's in the $70s (especially upper 70s as it's rumored) then I'm out for sure. If it's in the $60k region then I will have to consider it as an option. Would be cool to have warranty again... lol
 

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Hey Hemipowerv8, not to get too off topic here,but what part of Texas are you in? I am in the DFW area and always looking for gearheads to go racing with.

Danner, you ever come up to the Friday night drags at TMS?
 

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Sure, you can have an R/T up to 700 HP but the thing that many folks don't think of are the upgrades to the brakes, suspension, driveshaft, gears, transmission, tyres.... and the list goes on. If you are going to modify all parts of the car you might be looking into a price similar to the Hellcat's price (When announced of course!) or even higher. There's nothing like having a monster like this that is both reliable and dependable. The warranty is a HUGE plus with the hellcat. I'm pretty sure its World's apart when it comes to daily driving a factory hellcat or a highly modded R/T.
 

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The only 2 advantages I can see to building up an R/T or SRT to Hellcat numbers would be:

-if you *need* to be able to think to yourself "built not bought"
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-if you can or want to have lower monthly payments and plan to build the car up over a number of years

That being said, there's nothing like a factory-built car...no matter what anybody says, aftermarket builds will be more likely to have problems
 

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For 10K you can get 58 more HP with Scat packs, seems hardley worth it, since if if paid 38K for your R/T 45-46K with get you an SRT Core

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New Dodge Scat Pack Stage Kits to Boost Performance While Preserving Vehicle Warranty; Pricing, Performance Numbers Also Announced

Dodge Scat Pack performance stage kits from Mopar will be supported by vehicle warranty - an industry-first from an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) for such a high-level of performance modifications
Scat Pack 1, 2 and 3 performance stage kits available for the 2014 Dodge Challenger and 2014 Dodge Charger R/T include an optimized calibration and much more
Dodge Scat Pack stage kits deliver increasing boosts of power for the 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine, with up to a 58 horsepower gain with the Stage 3 kit --performance upgrade levels unmatched by an OEM without use of a forced-induction system
Scat Pack 1 kit, priced at a starting U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $2,195, is one of multiple options that make affordable performance upgrades available to owners ranging from the everyday enthusiast to the weekend warrior
Scat Packs to be available beginning in the Spring of 2014

April 3, 2014 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - Dodge owners who want to upgrade their vehicles with new Scat Pack performance stage kits, first unveiled by Dodge and Mopar last November at the 2013 Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas, can do so with confidence that the vehicle warranty will remain unaffected.

In an industry-first for such high-level performance modifications offered by an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), the factory warranty will be maintained on 2014 Dodge Challenger and Charger vehicles modified with the Scat Pack 1, Scat Pack 2 and Scat Pack 3 performance stage kits with installation at an authorized dealer.

"The Scat Pack factory stage kits can help boost 5.7-liter HEMI performance up to an additional 58 horsepower and 47 lb.-ft. of torque, allowing Dodge enthusiasts to extract the maximum performance from their vehicles without the fear and guesswork typically associated with modifying late-model vehicles," said Tim Kuniskis, President and CEO, Dodge Brand. "And now with a warranty guarantee, they can do so with the peace of mind that their manufacturer's warranty remains intact."

"The new Scat Pack kits reinforce our commitment to the performance arena," said Pietro Gorlier, President and CEO of Mopar, Chrysler Group LLC's service, parts and customer-care brand. "By maintaining the vehicle warranty, we are demonstrating to customers our confidence in the kits, which were built to exactly complement the Dodge Challenger and Dodge Charger by working hand-in-hand with the engineers who use factory specs to create these vehicles - exclusive knowledge available only to Mopar."

Mopar and Dodge also revealed specifics on pricing and performance benchmarks for the trio of Scat Pack performance stage kit options. The Scat Pack 3 stage kit will provide a boost of nearly 60 horsepower and close to 50 lb.-ft. of torque - numbers currently unmatched by any OEM without the use of a forced-induction system.

The Scat Pack 1, 2 and 3 performance stage kits will be available beginning this spring with a starting U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $2,195 for the Stage 1 kit, $1,895 for the Stage 2 kit and $4,995 for the Stage 3 kit. Each Scat Pack kit includes a numbered hard badge associated with its performance stage, so enthusiasts can proudly display the emblem on their vehicle as a badge of honor.

The Scat Pack 1 performance stage kit for the 2014 Dodge Challenger and 2014 Dodge Charger achieves a boost of up to 18 horsepower and 18 lb.-ft. of torque through modifications including a Mopar cold-air intake to provide increased air-flow into the engine, Mopar cat-back exhaust to free up downstream airflow, and an all-new performance calibrated engine controller, optimized to the 5.7-liter HEMI® engine.

For the 5.7-liter HEMI, Scat Pack 2 adds up to a 30 horsepower bump and is geared towards the performance enthusiast looking for that competitive edge. In addition to a customized, optimized performance calibration feature tailored for Scat Pack 2, a new Mopar performance camshaft works in conjunction with the components of the Scat Pack 1 kit to take advantage of improved engine breathing and deliver an additional acceleration advantage.

Scat Pack 3 takes aim squarely at the competitive enthusiast looking for extreme performance and ultimate bragging rights. Huge gains of up to 58 horsepower and 47 lb.-ft. of torque are realized through customized, optimized performance calibration tailored for Scat Pack 3, new Mopar performance CNC-ported cylinder heads and Mopar hi-flow headers.

Following is pricing, performance and parts details for the Scat Pack 1, Scat Pack 2 and Scat Pack 3 performance upgrade kits available for the 2014 Dodge Challenger and 2014 Dodge Charger:

SCAT PACK 1 5.7-liter
Starting at a U.S. MSRP of $2,195, Scat Pack 1 offers gains of up to 18 horsepower and 18 lb.-ft. of torque, and includes:
Mopar cold air intake
Mopar cat-back exhaust
Stage 1 performance PCM
Mopar low restriction oil filter
(2) Scat Pack 1 stage kit hard badges

SCAT PACK 2 5.7-liter
With a starting U.S. MSRP of $1,895, Scat Pack 2 yields increases of up to 30 horsepower.
Works in conjunction with Scat Pack 1 and features:
Mopar performance camshaft kit: includes camshaft, tiebars, heavy-duty pushrods and gaskets
Stage 2 performance PCM
(2) Scat Pack 2 stage kit hard badges

SCAT PACK 3 5.7-liter
The top-tier offering, Scat Pack 3 ratchets performance up to an exhilarating 58 horsepower and 47 lb.-ft. of torque and a U.S. MSRP of $4,995:
Works in conjunction with Scat Pack 1 & 2 and features:
Mopar performance CNC ported cylinder heads
Mopar hi-flow headers
Mopar hi-flow catalysts
Stage 3 performance PCM
(2) Scat Pack 3 stage kit hard badges

About Dodge Brand
The Dodge brand is tearing into its centennial year with a keen eye focused on the future and a desire to create vehicles customers want to drive and are proud to park in their driveways. With 100 years of history, Dodge is building on the technological advancements of the '30s and 40s, design evolution of the 50s, the racing heritage of the 60s, the horsepower of the '70s, the efficiency of the '80s and unbelievable styling of the '90s as it paves the road to its future.

New for 2014, Dodge is kind of a big deal with its new 2014 Dodge Durango with a new eight-speed transmission that delivers up to 25 miles per gallon (mpg) on the highway, a new 8.4-inch Uconnect infotainment center and best-in-class power, towing and driving range, in addition to its class-exclusive technology. The new Durango joins a stable that includes the new 2014 Dodge Dart, with its breakthrough 2.4-liter 184-horsepower Tigershark engine, and the celebrated 2014 Dodge Avenger. Both earned 2014 Top Safety Pick status from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS).

Also new for 2014, Dodge is bringing back the legendary throwback Shaker hood and offering special 100th anniversary editions of the Charger and Challenger with unique exteriors and interiors to celebrate the centennial. Completing the 2014 Dodge lineup are the Journey with its new Crossroad model and the 30th Anniversary Grand Caravan. The Dodge lineup features five vehicles with best-in-class power, seven vehicles that deliver 25 mpg or higher, three vehicles that deliver 31 mpg or higher and three vehicles that offer seating for seven.

Mopar Brand
Mopar (a simple contraction of the words Motor and PARts) was trademarked in 1937 with the launch of an antifreeze product but truly made its mark in the 1960s during the muscle-car era. From Mopar Performance Parts to enhance speed and handling for both road and racing use, the brand soon expanded to include technical service and customer support.

Today, Mopar is Chrysler Group LLC's service, parts and customer-care brand and distributes more than 500,000 parts and accessories in more than 130 markets, integrating service, parts and customer-care operations in order to enhance dealer and customer support worldwide. Mopar is the source for genuine parts and accessories for Chrysler Group brands as well as FIAT brands.

Mopar parts are unique in that they are engineered with the same teams that create factory-authorized vehicle specifications for Chrysler Group and FIAT vehicles – a direct connection that no other aftermarket parts company can provide. A complete list of Mopar accessories and performance parts are available at Mopar Parts – Buy Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Fiat Parts & Accessories Online.

Mopar-first Features
Mopar has introduced numerous industry-first features including:
Vehicle-information apps: first to introduce smartphone vehicle-information applications, a new channel of communication with customers
Electronic owner manuals: first to introduce traditional owner manuals in a DVD and brief user-guide format. First to offer complete vehicle-information kits in Spanish
Wi-Fi: first to offer customers the ability to make their vehicle a wireless hot spot
Wireless charging: first to introduce in-vehicle wireless charging for portable devices
Electronic Vehicle Tracking System (EVTS): first to market with interactive vehicle tracking device that sends owner a text when vehicle is driven too fast or too far based on pre-set parameters
wiAdvisor: first to provide factory-connected tablet technology in the service lane for instant vehicle diagnosis
wiTech: first to support vehicle diagnosis and software updates leveraging off-the-shelf personal computers and a dedicated wireless tool network
2011 Mopar Challenger Drag Pak: first to introduce a 500-plus cubic-inch V-10 drag-race package car
 

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For 10K you can get 58 more HP with Scat packs, seems hardley worth it, since if if paid 38K for your R/T 45-46K with get you an SRT Core

See Below:

New Dodge Scat Pack Stage Kits to Boost Performance While Preserving Vehicle Warranty; Pricing, Performance Numbers Also Announced

Dodge Scat Pack performance stage kits from Mopar will be supported by vehicle warranty - an industry-first from an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) for such a high-level of performance modifications
Scat Pack 1, 2 and 3 performance stage kits available for the 2014 Dodge Challenger and 2014 Dodge Charger R/T include an optimized calibration and much more
Dodge Scat Pack stage kits deliver increasing boosts of power for the 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine, with up to a 58 horsepower gain with the Stage 3 kit --performance upgrade levels unmatched by an OEM without use of a forced-induction system
Scat Pack 1 kit, priced at a starting U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $2,195, is one of multiple options that make affordable performance upgrades available to owners ranging from the everyday enthusiast to the weekend warrior
Scat Packs to be available beginning in the Spring of 2014

April 3, 2014 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - Dodge owners who want to upgrade their vehicles with new Scat Pack performance stage kits, first unveiled by Dodge and Mopar last November at the 2013 Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas, can do so with confidence that the vehicle warranty will remain unaffected.

In an industry-first for such high-level performance modifications offered by an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), the factory warranty will be maintained on 2014 Dodge Challenger and Charger vehicles modified with the Scat Pack 1, Scat Pack 2 and Scat Pack 3 performance stage kits with installation at an authorized dealer.

"The Scat Pack factory stage kits can help boost 5.7-liter HEMI performance up to an additional 58 horsepower and 47 lb.-ft. of torque, allowing Dodge enthusiasts to extract the maximum performance from their vehicles without the fear and guesswork typically associated with modifying late-model vehicles," said Tim Kuniskis, President and CEO, Dodge Brand. "And now with a warranty guarantee, they can do so with the peace of mind that their manufacturer's warranty remains intact."

"The new Scat Pack kits reinforce our commitment to the performance arena," said Pietro Gorlier, President and CEO of Mopar, Chrysler Group LLC's service, parts and customer-care brand. "By maintaining the vehicle warranty, we are demonstrating to customers our confidence in the kits, which were built to exactly complement the Dodge Challenger and Dodge Charger by working hand-in-hand with the engineers who use factory specs to create these vehicles - exclusive knowledge available only to Mopar."

Mopar and Dodge also revealed specifics on pricing and performance benchmarks for the trio of Scat Pack performance stage kit options. The Scat Pack 3 stage kit will provide a boost of nearly 60 horsepower and close to 50 lb.-ft. of torque - numbers currently unmatched by any OEM without the use of a forced-induction system.

The Scat Pack 1, 2 and 3 performance stage kits will be available beginning this spring with a starting U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $2,195 for the Stage 1 kit, $1,895 for the Stage 2 kit and $4,995 for the Stage 3 kit. Each Scat Pack kit includes a numbered hard badge associated with its performance stage, so enthusiasts can proudly display the emblem on their vehicle as a badge of honor.

The Scat Pack 1 performance stage kit for the 2014 Dodge Challenger and 2014 Dodge Charger achieves a boost of up to 18 horsepower and 18 lb.-ft. of torque through modifications including a Mopar cold-air intake to provide increased air-flow into the engine, Mopar cat-back exhaust to free up downstream airflow, and an all-new performance calibrated engine controller, optimized to the 5.7-liter HEMI® engine.

For the 5.7-liter HEMI, Scat Pack 2 adds up to a 30 horsepower bump and is geared towards the performance enthusiast looking for that competitive edge. In addition to a customized, optimized performance calibration feature tailored for Scat Pack 2, a new Mopar performance camshaft works in conjunction with the components of the Scat Pack 1 kit to take advantage of improved engine breathing and deliver an additional acceleration advantage.

Scat Pack 3 takes aim squarely at the competitive enthusiast looking for extreme performance and ultimate bragging rights. Huge gains of up to 58 horsepower and 47 lb.-ft. of torque are realized through customized, optimized performance calibration tailored for Scat Pack 3, new Mopar performance CNC-ported cylinder heads and Mopar hi-flow headers.

Following is pricing, performance and parts details for the Scat Pack 1, Scat Pack 2 and Scat Pack 3 performance upgrade kits available for the 2014 Dodge Challenger and 2014 Dodge Charger:

SCAT PACK 1 5.7-liter
Starting at a U.S. MSRP of $2,195, Scat Pack 1 offers gains of up to 18 horsepower and 18 lb.-ft. of torque, and includes:
Mopar cold air intake
Mopar cat-back exhaust
Stage 1 performance PCM
Mopar low restriction oil filter
(2) Scat Pack 1 stage kit hard badges

SCAT PACK 2 5.7-liter
With a starting U.S. MSRP of $1,895, Scat Pack 2 yields increases of up to 30 horsepower.
Works in conjunction with Scat Pack 1 and features:
Mopar performance camshaft kit: includes camshaft, tiebars, heavy-duty pushrods and gaskets
Stage 2 performance PCM
(2) Scat Pack 2 stage kit hard badges

SCAT PACK 3 5.7-liter
The top-tier offering, Scat Pack 3 ratchets performance up to an exhilarating 58 horsepower and 47 lb.-ft. of torque and a U.S. MSRP of $4,995:
Works in conjunction with Scat Pack 1 & 2 and features:
Mopar performance CNC ported cylinder heads
Mopar hi-flow headers
Mopar hi-flow catalysts
Stage 3 performance PCM
(2) Scat Pack 3 stage kit hard badges

About Dodge Brand
The Dodge brand is tearing into its centennial year with a keen eye focused on the future and a desire to create vehicles customers want to drive and are proud to park in their driveways. With 100 years of history, Dodge is building on the technological advancements of the '30s and 40s, design evolution of the 50s, the racing heritage of the 60s, the horsepower of the '70s, the efficiency of the '80s and unbelievable styling of the '90s as it paves the road to its future.

New for 2014, Dodge is kind of a big deal with its new 2014 Dodge Durango with a new eight-speed transmission that delivers up to 25 miles per gallon (mpg) on the highway, a new 8.4-inch Uconnect infotainment center and best-in-class power, towing and driving range, in addition to its class-exclusive technology. The new Durango joins a stable that includes the new 2014 Dodge Dart, with its breakthrough 2.4-liter 184-horsepower Tigershark engine, and the celebrated 2014 Dodge Avenger. Both earned 2014 Top Safety Pick status from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS).

Also new for 2014, Dodge is bringing back the legendary throwback Shaker hood and offering special 100th anniversary editions of the Charger and Challenger with unique exteriors and interiors to celebrate the centennial. Completing the 2014 Dodge lineup are the Journey with its new Crossroad model and the 30th Anniversary Grand Caravan. The Dodge lineup features five vehicles with best-in-class power, seven vehicles that deliver 25 mpg or higher, three vehicles that deliver 31 mpg or higher and three vehicles that offer seating for seven.

Mopar Brand
Mopar (a simple contraction of the words Motor and PARts) was trademarked in 1937 with the launch of an antifreeze product but truly made its mark in the 1960s during the muscle-car era. From Mopar Performance Parts to enhance speed and handling for both road and racing use, the brand soon expanded to include technical service and customer support.

Today, Mopar is Chrysler Group LLC's service, parts and customer-care brand and distributes more than 500,000 parts and accessories in more than 130 markets, integrating service, parts and customer-care operations in order to enhance dealer and customer support worldwide. Mopar is the source for genuine parts and accessories for Chrysler Group brands as well as FIAT brands.

Mopar parts are unique in that they are engineered with the same teams that create factory-authorized vehicle specifications for Chrysler Group and FIAT vehicles – a direct connection that no other aftermarket parts company can provide. A complete list of Mopar accessories and performance parts are available at Mopar Parts – Buy Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram, Fiat Parts & Accessories Online.

Mopar-first Features
Mopar has introduced numerous industry-first features including:
Vehicle-information apps: first to introduce smartphone vehicle-information applications, a new channel of communication with customers
Electronic owner manuals: first to introduce traditional owner manuals in a DVD and brief user-guide format. First to offer complete vehicle-information kits in Spanish
Wi-Fi: first to offer customers the ability to make their vehicle a wireless hot spot
Wireless charging: first to introduce in-vehicle wireless charging for portable devices
Electronic Vehicle Tracking System (EVTS): first to market with interactive vehicle tracking device that sends owner a text when vehicle is driven too fast or too far based on pre-set parameters
wiAdvisor: first to provide factory-connected tablet technology in the service lane for instant vehicle diagnosis
wiTech: first to support vehicle diagnosis and software updates leveraging off-the-shelf personal computers and a dedicated wireless tool network
2011 Mopar Challenger Drag Pak: first to introduce a 500-plus cubic-inch V-10 drag-race package car
That's a whole lotta words that have NOTHING to do with the OP. Bringing up a Scat Pack (that is vaporware anyways) has nothing to do with a Hellcat!
 

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The only 2 advantages I can see to building up an R/T or SRT to Hellcat numbers would be:

-if you *need* to be able to think to yourself "built not bought"
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-if you can or want to have lower monthly payments and plan to build the car up over a number of years

That being said, there's nothing like a factory-built car...no matter what anybody says, aftermarket builds will be more likely to have problems
I agree with this. All this talk about the Hellcat is better because of a warranty is BS, IMHO. Do you really think, if you have a drivetrain related issue that the dealer/ Dodge is not going to look at the issue with a fine tooth comb and in the end say you were racing and deny you claim? I have yet to see a car warranty that I haven't had to fight to get coverage for, except for little things, like door panels, etc.

The main benifit to a Hellcat is that : you'll have decent resale value, and all the work is done for you (ie you bought it that way). These are the people that change cars like we change socks. Whatever is the latest/greatest is for them, regardless of costs. Out of my league.

You will be paying alot of money to get an RT to 700 hp. An SRT would be a better sarting point. Then there are the suspension and brake issues that need to be addressed to handle all that extra power.

I would question, does one really need that much HP for the street? That's bragging rights territory as far as I'm concerned. When is enough too much? :icon_cheers:
 

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Just copying the cooling system and 6 piston Brembos from the Hellcat would probably set you back close to ten grand. Then you'll need to upgrade the transmission, rear end, axles, forged engine internals. I highly doubt that you could build a comparable car for less, unless you do all the work yourself. It would cost close to $100,000 to pay a shop to build it, and as mentioned above, you'd still have the title to an R/T Challenger.

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It's really silly to have held out so long on the hp output and now to hold out on telling us what one will cost us... If I knew the price tag I could prep to do whichever way I will be going... new HellCat or ship mine to API for major surgery.
 

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When you build cars up that much they just never Seam to run right that's my 2 cents
 

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While on the topic of hellcat warranty, who says it will be the same coverage as we currently have?
I'm sure there will be parts failures that dodge won't want to have to pay for.
As stated above they let the hp numbers out so why not the cost?
 
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