[toasteroven]

dealers in the USA cannot place an order in for a kitty, cannot....and im pretty damn sure its the same in Canada....they can see the option list, the pricing etc, but cannot be keyed in......
Luke

Like Avs said - Canada's system opened early. Folks up here already have VON numbers for orders placed.

 

[toasteroven]

There are 35 MILLION people in Canada and at Moparfest they admitted to ONLY 100 cars being made for Canada

Whomever you heard that from is full of ****.

 

[toasteroven]

A "Canadian executive" does not overrule Tim K, Dodge CEO.

I don't care if Jesus H. Christ descended from upon high and said there is limited Canadian production - he'd be full of **** too.

Please stop perpetuating the confirmed myth that there is limited production. There isn't. Anything you hear on "production limits" is poppy****. There may be an initial allocation from the initial build for 100 for Canada, but not the total model year.

There's a lot of confusion due to the way the allocations have changed. The order banks are opened for each run, then closed when the capacity for that run are met. That's likely where these rumors keep coming from.

The only people that want you to believe there is limited production are the dealerships (so they can charge markups), and the sales execs (because their role is to support the dealers).

The $60k price point is very reachable for a lot of people. Using common sense, Dodge would be shooting themselves in the foot if there was a very restrictive availability.

 

[toasteroven]

One day Dodge will figure out their core audience isn't the occasional person that splashes money at a mega-dealership, but the enthusiasts like us that hawk their cars, show off their cars, and speak positively and knowledgeable about their cars. The enthusiasts that are always waiting patiently for the latest and greatest in the pipeline, and usually end up getting shafted because we're not going to throw money at something to be "first". The enthusiasts who end up being Dodge / Chrysler "for life", and not a passing fling or momentary customer.

One day. It's a shame that's not today.

 

[toasteroven]

One of the locals in our club here said his buddy picked up his Hellcat from Jim Patterson in Van a week or so ago.

Waiting on pics....

 

[toasteroven]

Why would anyone want to order such a beast with a sunroof. Any logic will tell you that with that much power and torque, cutting a big hole in the roof will pose a structural problem. I didn't order a Hellcat because I couldn't get one and wasn't going to be a ridiculas amount for one, but I did order a 15 SRT with no sun roof for a reason. I don't want it to feel like a wet noodle when I supercharge it.


R.K.

Sunroof-equipped cars have structural bracing and support not present in non-sunroof equipped cars. Couple of local folks here have supercharged Hemis and no issues with twist or structural rigidity.

If you think all they do is cut a hole in the sheet metal, you're mistaken.

 

[toasteroven]

What I don't understand is that there are a number of sold orders that are not being filled while a small dealership In Campbell River, BC has one in their showroom, unsold with a $20,000 mark up. I tried to buy a Scat Pack Shaker from them and they said they would have to charge me a premium over MSRP if I wanted one. The salesman said the only way they got the Hellcat was by taking 10 hard to sell vans that they were going to have to sell at cost or a loss to move to get the Hellcat, so they had to make their money on the Hellcat. When I spoke to them last year they said that they didn't even qualify to get a Hellcat this year. So makes me wonder.

I'll tell you why. It's because they lie.

They put the car in as a customer order, use either someone on their staff or an employees' friend, family, to "fake" it as a customer-sold order, and when it gets to the dealership HallelujahMOTHERMARYJESUSANDJOSEPH! the order "falls through" on some technicality BS, and PRESTO! Hellcat on the showroom floor. With a markup!

Meanwhile, genuine customer orders are still not delivered. Hell, some of our guys in our local club don't have freaking VINs, despite having orders in on the day order banks opened.

Meanwhile, FCA starts posting "here's how allocation works" blog entries and news stories, and blaming dealerships who have tons of orders in, because most of those dealers are ones selling @ MSRP (or close to), and everyone on the forums / internet is flocking to those dealerships that actually order and sell the car to enthusiasts without markups.

As long as the allocation system favors volume dealers / sales in any way, shape, or form, it's destined to fail.

If FCA was serious about getting these cars into the hands of their loyal, enthusiastic customer base, they'd find a way to do it.

 

[toasteroven]

The articles that FCA posted are for US. Canada is completely different and runs on a different allocation program.

Maybe in the US man, but in Canada... very diff like Nobrakes was saying.

They are very much making dealers buy 10-20 Dodge Sprinter Vans if they want a Hellcat.

Also, when ordering in Canada - they require a name, order form, deposit and often license scan. It's not made up names etc.

FCA aren't idiots. People might not like the way things are going, and I agree.. should be like FCA USA rules but right now, they're not.

My point is that dealerships lie. Multiple dealerships have said to my face:

- there's only 20/50/10/100 Hellcats coming to Canada for 2015 / until the end of time. The recall already has 148 built for Canada.
- there's no 2016 run; 2015 is it. Many insiders have posted that LA is on the roster to at least 2017.
- Canada has a "lottery" system for which dealers get a Hellcat, which is direct contradiction to "take 20 Sprinters". I've also been told the US allocation process now applies to Canada. Which is it?
- no dealership will charge MSRP, while meanwhile, a handful of customers have paid MSRP and either gotten their cars, or the cars are in transit.

Canada's allocation program, if is it different and based on "buy X to receive Y" is just as broken, if not more so. If that's the case, why are Duncan and Campbell River getting Hellcats, but not Vancouver or Kelowna?

Customer-sold orders, with real $$$ behind them and a customer committed to buy should be honored on a FIFO basis. Dealers' lot cars should not be put ahead of them, especially at launch.

This makes it very clear that the dealers are FCA's customer and priority, while the customers have to wade through deceptive dealers, uncertain deposit conditions, and confusing blog posts about the logistics of ordering a vehicle, just to get it before summer.

 

[toasteroven]

Three guys in our local club waiting on Hellcats got theirs; all within two weeks of each other.

- Hellcat Charger; initial order (when banks opened) at dealership A went to VON hell. Told August (!) delivery, possibly. Went to dealership B, they found an unsold car in transit and scooped it. 7k markup.

- Hellcat Challenger; ordered in the summer. Current car traded in. Finally arrived, and honored sale @ MSRP.

- Hellcat Challenger; also ordered in summer, and came in after musical chairs with the dealership owners' order. Sold @ MSRP.

As of today, there are at least 4 Hellcats locally here in Vancouver still at dealerships that I know of. All are either "sold" but still on the showroom floor, or have markups. One is a sold, plated and insured car, sitting in the showroom entertaining "offers".