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FCA just announced a recall for an issue relating to cruise control failing whereby the driver would be unable to disengage. This recall includes the 2015-2018 Dodge Challenger.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fiat-chrysler-warns-4-8m-124401061.html

DETROIT (AP) -- Fiat Chrysler is recalling 4.8 million vehicles in the U.S. because in rare but terrifying circumstances, drivers may not be able to turn off the cruise control.

The company is warning owners not to use cruise control until the cars, SUVs and trucks can be fixed with a software update.

Fiat Chrysler says the condition can occur if the cruise control accelerates at the same time an electrical short-circuit happens. But the brakes are designed to overpower the engine and the vehicles could still be stopped. Shifting into park would cancel the cruise, but tapping the brakes or turning off the cruise control button won't work.

The problem was found in testing of the vehicles' computer network. FCA says it has no reports of crashes or injuries. After the testing uncovered the trouble, FCA said it reviewed consumer complaints and found one that may be related.

In the complaint filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, an owner from Olathe, Kansas, said a 2017 Dodge Journey SUV rental vehicle was being driven about 70 miles per hour with the cruise control on when the windshield wipers came on by themselves and the throttle locked up.

The owner, who was not identified in the agency's complaint database, wrote that the cruise control would not disengage by tapping the brakes or turning off the button. The driver was able to slam on the brakes and get the SUV to the side of the road. "It was still running at an engine speed to support 70 mph and fighting the brakes," the driver wrote.

The engine stop button also wouldn't work, but the driver was able halt the SUV and shift into park while the brakes "smoked significantly."

The recall includes 15 Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler and Ram models from six model years with gasoline engines and automatic transmissions. Models in Canada, Mexico and other countries also are affected, but the company is still sorting out which ones.

The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the government's road safety agency, on Friday urged drivers not to use the cruise control until repairs are made. The agency says that to stop the vehicles, drivers should shift into neutral, forcefully apply the brake and put the vehicle in park once it's stopped.

Affected models include the 2014-2019 Ram 1500 pickup, as well as the 2014-2018 Ram 2500, 3500, 4500 and 5500 pickups and chassis cab trucks. Also covered are the 2015-2017 Chrysler 200, the 2014-2018 Chrysler 300, the 2017 and 2018 Chrysler Pacifica minivan. Dodge vehicles included are the 2015 to 2018 Challenger, and the 2014 to 2018 Charger, Journey and Durango, while affected Jeeps include the 2014 through 2018 Cherokee and Grand Cherokee and the 2018 Wrangler.

Fiat Chrysler will begin notifying customers as early as next week. The company is urging customers to follow the recall instructions and get the repairs done as soon as possible.

Owners with questions can call their dealers or Fiat Chrysler at (866) 220-6747.
 

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Seems really incredible they would recall 4.8 million cars/trucks without at least one, ONE crash or injury (or documented incident) that was caused by this possible scenario. I have owned 6 Challengers built after 2015, used the CC on all of them quite often and never even a hint that they would do this, same software as all the others. Could it happen? Sure! Anything "could happen"!
 

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Seems really incredible they would recall 4.8 million cars/trucks without at least one, ONE crash or injury (or documented incident) that was caused by this possible scenario. I have owned 6 Challengers built after 2015, used the CC on all of them quite often and never even a hint that they would do this, same software as all the others. Could it happen? Sure! Anything "could happen"!
If there is a potential to have the braking system or the acceleration system to fail that probably warrants a look. My guess its more than a one in a million chance.
 

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If there is a potential to have the braking system or the acceleration system to fail that probably warrants a look. My guess its more than a one in a million chance.
If that were the case, yeah but according to the article you can still stop the car (applying brakes like normal) it's just that the potential for "turning off" the cruise control may not work via button or just by lightly tapping the brakes. Again, no actual events for over 4.8 million cars? How does this make sense? Maybe this isn't the whole story and I am inclined to believe there is more at stake then this article states.
 

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If that were the case, yeah but according to the article you can still stop the car (applying brakes like normal) it's just that the potential for "turning off" the cruise control may not work via button or just by lightly tapping the brakes. Again, no actual events for over 4.8 million cars? How does this make sense? Maybe this isn't the whole story and I am inclined to believe there is more at stake then this article states.
Right theres more than just a chance rumor would be my guess. But if you read the brakes might not can OVERPOWER the system, but doesn't shut it off. So in short cruise has the potential to not turn off and your only recourse in an o chit moment would be to hope the brakes can over power the cruise or slam the tranny into N or P.
 

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Now that the story is out there, and NHTSA has gotten a complaint, can you imagine if FCA didn't put out a warning? Say, 4ppl die in a Charger, Challenger, whatever and it comes out that FCA just sat on the info? Yes, even though there is only one instance that this defect might have been a factor, it sounds like they are doing the right thing.


I've owned a 15 challenger for a year and a half, and now a 18 Charger for a couple of months and we used the CC all the time. Never a hint of a problem, I'm not looking forward to the recall dance, (although, it doesn't sound like you have to wait for the parts to come in!), but I'm glad this is out in the open.


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ummm sure ok........cruise at 70/80 mph in your A8 HELLCAT and try to over power the engine with braking while in cruise mode to slow it down enough to put into Park or 'N'.
Good luck with that.
 

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ummm sure ok........cruise at 70/80 mph in your A8 HELLCAT and try to over power the engine with braking while in cruise mode to slow it down enough to put into Park or 'N'.
Good luck with that.
You can put the car into park while it's rolling, can't you?
 

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The article I read gave an estimated total mileage all the recalled vehicles have been driven (in the billions IIRC). With only 1 incident being reported, I honestly don't believe a recall is necessary. I suspect from past difficulties FCA has had with safety issues, in conjunction with the possibility of a future lawsuit, they had no choice. What irks me is the mentality that consumers should expect 100% safety in all areas. The fact that I drive a muscle car is proof enough that we cannot all be protected 100% of the time. Life has risks. If it didn't, folks couldn't sky dive, drive at the drags, race high powered boats, etc. Just my take. But, our '15 Durango is part of the recall; so, we'll take it in so when trade/sale time comes, the lack of having the repair done won't be an issue on its value.
 

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Please FCA, do not develop the interface for self driving cars.
They're already in testing on the Pacifica vans for a couple of years now...
 

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Hmm, the next Uconnect update will probably shut it down while the "driver" is eating his breakfast cereal with milk during his morning commute.
 

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Here is my view on it as an automotive technician. They stated basically the way they stumbled upon this was during vehicle testing from an engineer. At that point if they were able to prove repeatable results across the entire line of vehicles (which sure seems like they were able to based on the recall size) they must issue a recall to fix this. At that point you have found a very potentially dangerous situation and if you do nothing about it you are criminally negligent. So this whole they shouldn't recall it because it isnt a common issue thing does not hold any water in my book. Good on FCA for taking care of this issue.
 

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Dunno if y’all remember that Toyota recall back 9 or so years ago where the gas pedal was getting stuck when floored? I had that happen to me and it was a mystery to me why so many people had died (including a police officer) when faced with this issue.

Please please please remember that it’s always better to let your engine take the brunt of the rpms by shifting into neutral when faced with an out of control throttle problem. Don’t wait until you’ve exhausted all other options, just throw the vehicle into neutral, coast/brake to safety, and attempt to turn the car off.


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