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Wow FreddyG you read my thread. As a long time member of this forum I’ve learned lots of information from folks like you, Challytatum & Mcloud. The fact that you looked at my build honors me. I have to agree with you on nearly everything. Boost is simply a number. The most important aspect of boost is applying it to make power. While 1K Streetable HP is the goal. I’m happy with anything in the 8-1K range. Also I’ve heard of pocket porting but I didn’t want to take a chance on that or a valve job on this heads. Like you said I’m just trying to clean mine up and gain where I can from port matching. Next up for me will be the 6.1 intake. Then assembly. I’m hoping to get up some pics once I start reassembly. Thanks again for reading my entire thread and I look forward to any words of wisdom.


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No Thanks is necessary Jay. you're the one doing me a favor by sharing your build, so Thank You.

I did read your whole thread because it's interesting and there is a lot to learn from watching someone's build and I like to learn. You should keep up the Good work because you're doing Great!

By the way, my Wife would say that me and words of Wisdom shouldn't be in the same sentence! :D

Speaking of timely service, how long does it take your tuner to make a revision? I'm on a week and called everyday... Do I need a new tuner? I wish it didn't take years to learn to tune, this has been the pain point in all of my projects since tuning has been required...
Things with tuners might be different now with the pandemic because more people are home and working on their cars for something to keep them busy. If you find a good mentor, you could probably pick up the basics of tuning in a few months depending on how much time you invest. I'd think with people being pandemic quarantined that it would be a good time to start reading/studying.

With learning tuning, the internet is a good place to start reading and ask questions until people tell you to stop asking questions. I learned tuning basics from a couple of the best LSx tuners in the country (one's even in Australia) and was Blessed enough that they never told me to stop asking questions to them, but I tried not to abuse that privilege and figure things out on my own before resorting to asking for help.

My brain works like if I understand how something works, then I'm good. Each sensor does something different and when you change a setting/number/whatever, what's it going to do or what is going to happen and how does it affect other sensors or parts of the tune. Like I said, that's just my brain and what worked for me. Everyone is different though and it might be a bit overwhelming at first, but if you hang in there, you'll get it and once you do, you have no idea the amount of pride that comes from tuning your own car!

I know that's how I felt especially when I ended up with a 600+ rwhp Corvette that ran a mid 10 second quarter mile and still got 30 mpg on the highway that I tuned myself! Please don't think that I'm bragging, I'm just proud of myself and sharing what is capable with some learning time. You don't need a tuner then because you are the tuner.
 

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Speaking of timely service, how long does it take your tuner to make a revision? I'm on a week and called everyday... Do I need a new tuner? I wish it didn't take years to learn to tune, this has been the pain point in all of my projects since tuing has been required...
Bro I have no idea how long it would take a tuner. I’m my tuner. That is why I went to the tuning school and bought HPT. I don’t like relying on folks to get stuff done for me so I figured learn it once and have the skills forever.


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Bro I have no idea how long it would take a tuner. I’m my tuner. That is why I went to the tuning school and bought HPT. I don’t like relying on folks to get stuff done for me so I figured learn it once and have the skills forever.


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yeah I"m biting the bullet and doing it too. I just signed up for tuning classes and ording up HP tuners today.

Apologies for whining in your build thread! ... So back to the Build!!...

If things don't go the way you like with your heads. Check out Edelbrocks RPM Performer Heads. You can get them with 67, 73, and 83cc's. You can also order them already ported and polished. They don't flow any more air than the Apache heads but it's nice to have the CC selection. And they are interchangeable (left & right) Also they have the valves setup so you can run them on the 5.7. These are a great upgrade for the 5.7s. If was going to stick with the 5.7 I would definitely go this route. Not what you need but just pointing out the versatility.
 

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yeah I"m biting the bullet and doing it too. I just signed up for tuning classes and ording up HP tuners today.

Apologies for whining in your build thread! ... So back to the Build!!...

If things don't go the way you like with your heads. Check out Edelbrocks RPM Performer Heads. You can get them with 67, 73, and 83cc's. You can also order them already ported and polished. They don't flow any more air than the Apache heads but it's nice to have the CC selection. And they are interchangeable (left & right) Also they have the valves setup so you can run them on the 5.7. These are a great upgrade for the 5.7s. If was going to stick with the 5.7 I would definitely go this route. Not what you need but just pointing out the versatility.
The book is ok if you have no idea what you are doing but it has very little details on VVT or why things are set as they are. There is also zero info on trans tuning which doesn't bother me as I have a manual...but would come in handy for my cherokee. Honestly there is more info on HP tuners forum than in the book. If I would have done the hands on training I can see the instructor putting me into timeout as I would just inundate him (or her or whatever pronouns are PC) with a ton of quesitons in the form of..."yeah but why?".
 

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The book is ok if you have no idea what you are doing but it has very little details on VVT or why things are set as they are. There is also zero info on trans tuning which doesn't bother me as I have an manual...but would come in handy for my cherokee. Honestly there is more info on HP tuners forum than in the book. If I would have done the hands on training I can see the instructor putting me into timeout as I would just inundate him (or her or whatever pronouns are PC) with a ton of quesitons in the form of..."yeah but why?".
I decided to take tuning classes through HP Academy. I'll have to figure out the best approach to learn the specifics of tuning the Hemi. $400 for that book and reading your review I don't think it's worth it.
 

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I decided to take tuning classes through HP Academy. I'll have to figure out the best approach to learn the specifics of tuning the Hemi. $400 for that book and reading your review I don't think it's worth it.
MCCloud at this point I hope you consider me a friend, because I certainly consider you one. To be honest with you I don’t think paying for tuning classes is worth the money in hind sight. There is so much free information on the HPTuners forums that honestly you will not learn anything more from a hands on class. If you need the information from the classes dm me and I’ll send you copies of what I have. I ant let anyone I respect spend unnecessary money if I can help.

Secondly thanks for the advice on the Edelbrok Heads. I have looked at those but because I have the Apaches I decided against them. If I was going to go a different route I’d grab the BGE heads off of a 14-15 Ram 2500’s. Those heads are made out of the same materials of the Hellcat Heads with the better cooking jackets. Also I believe they have larger 2.16 intake valves verse the 2.14’s the Apaches have (this may not be entirely acccurate, as I’ve found mixed info on the valve sizes for BGE’s)

Lastly you and anyone are allowed to vent/vocalize anything CSR related in this build thread. All I ask is that we try to keep it somewhat 6.4 build related. Disagreement is totally fine that is how we all learn. I for one have no idea of how this will turn out. I just have an end vision in site that I’m trying to achieve and share with my forum fam.

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Subbed. Would you like to do mine when you’re done with yours? TIA.
If you were serious about this, I’d do yours. PM me what you have and if you are serious. We could work something out. I’m going to be doing one of my Eagle sets next and maybe a Pre-Eagle set that I want to put on my Ram. Hopefully I can get my hands on a reasonable priced 6.1 set here soon.


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Here are the finished products. The Machine Shop I took them to to have the surfaces checked out said they came out good and the surfaces had less than .0015 clearance. So that means the little amount of grinding I did to smooth the surface worked.


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And here are the Exhaust ports as well. I
Supper happy with they way these came out.


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MCCloud at this point I hope you consider me a friend, because I certainly consider you one. To be honest with you I don’t think paying for tuning classes is worth the money in hind sight. There is so much free information on the HPTuners forums that honestly you will not learn anything more from a hands on class. If you need the information from the classes dm me and I’ll send you copies of what I have. I ant let anyone I respect spend unnecessary money if I can help.

Secondly thanks for the advice on the Edelbrok Heads. I have looked at those but because I have the Apaches I decided against them. If I was going to go a different route I’d grab the BGE heads off of a 14-15 Ram 2500’s. Those heads are made out of the same materials of the Hellcat Heads with the better cooking jackets. Also I believe they have larger 2.16 intake valves verse the 2.14’s the Apaches have (this may not be entirely acccurate, as I’ve found mixed info on the valve sizes for BGE’s)

Lastly you and anyone are allowed to vent/vocalize anything CSR related in this build thread. All I ask is that we try to keep it somewhat 6.4 build related. Disagreement is totally fine that is how we all learn. I for one have no idea of how this will turn out. I just have an end vision in site that I’m trying to achieve and share with my forum fam.

Jay


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Difinetly considered a friend my friend! ;)

Thanks for the feedback... Fortunately I got the classes for less than half price. It's all online courses. Hopefully I will get something out of them. I booked marked quite a few pages that ChallyTatum has posted on the HP Tuner forum. Sounds like I will spend a lot of time in those forums. I'm a little on the geaky side so actually looking forward to diving in and learning this stuff.
 

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Difinetly considered a friend my friend! ;)

Thanks for the feedback... Fortunately I got the classes for less than half price. It's all online courses. Hopefully I will get something out of them. I booked marked quite a few pages that ChallyTatum has posted on the HP Tuner forum. Sounds like I will spend a lot of time in those forums. I'm a little on the geaky side so actually looking forward to diving in and learning this stuff.
LOL I remember when I was going to the garage with the laptop and I bet my wife was thinking I was looking at porn. :D When it comes to HP tuners...no time for love Dr. Jones. And the only flashing is to the PCM or TCM.
 

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LOL I remember when I was going to the garage with the laptop and I bet my wife was thinking I was looking at porn. :D When it comes to HP tuners...no time for love Dr. Jones. And the only flashing is to the PCM or TCM.
LOL... Too funny.. My wife tells me I give the car more love and attention than I do her..(jokingly) She has named my car Precious!
 

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This is sooooo funny. When my kids play with the cars they say all of the time we need to get th “HPTuners out” I can’t count how many times they’ve heard me say this.


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The book is ok if you have no idea what you are doing but it has very little details on VVT or why things are set as they are. There is also zero info on trans tuning which doesn't bother me as I have a manual...but would come in handy for my cherokee. Honestly there is more info on HP tuners forum than in the book. If I would have done the hands on training I can see the instructor putting me into timeout as I would just inundate him (or her or whatever pronouns are PC) with a ton of questions in the form of..."yeah but why?".
That's why they make the big bucks though. :) They are paid to answer those questions. In my opinion, knowing why and how is the best way to learn it.

Though your picture might be hanging in their classroom like a Wanted poster in the Post Office next time!

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Here are the finished products. The Machine Shop I took them to to have the surfaces checked out said they came out good and the surfaces had less than .0015 clearance. So that means the little amount of grinding I did to smooth the surface worked.


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You did a Great job on those. IF you think of yourself as the air that's flowing through the port, would it be faster to go through a big port that is straight or a curved port that is smaller. Your port is straight and big, which is perfect for airflow. Big will lower the velocity in theory but since you're "Force feeding" the air through it, it doesn't make that big of a difference. Please remember. more airflow = better efficiency, more efficiency = more power on less boost.

Once again, Great job!

By the way, too bad that the engine builder couldn't have put those on a flow bench just to see what they'd flow. I"d be curious to know (just for giggles).

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And here are the Exhaust ports as well. I
Super happy with they way these came out.


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Great job on those too. How long did it take you to grind them? Did you just use carbides or flapper disks too?

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Soooo I’m super frustrated and border lines pissed right now. I’m getting the block put back together. Attempting to check tolerances for the main bearings and what do I discover. One of my main stud nuts is missing. WTF how does this happen. Needless to say I’m heading back to the machine shop tomorrow. These things are to be expected but it is still disappointing none the less. I realize I’m bitching about first world problems. But man did this crush my motivation tonight. One last gripe I need new batteries for the torque wrench also. This I should’ve checked so it’s not as bad as the main nut. Rant over sorry guys.


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A little late but this guy seems to know what he is doing.
I watched this video like 10 times and that is me being honest. That is what made me decide to tackle this job.


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@FreddyG. All together I have about 10-15 hours into these. I was supper slow doing it. Now that I’ve done my first set I’m sure I can do it faster and more than likely better. I used 3 bits, Carbide for the major work on reshaping the ports, grinding stone to smooth out all of the uneven area’s and then the 80 & 100 grit sanding disc from Eastwood’s head porting kits. This was to ensure most of the imperfects were taken out. I also used them on the short radius turns from the valves. I didn’t want to remove any material there because I was scared. No lies with me. I don’t want to screw this deal up. So I’m being extra cautious.


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