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Ok, I have a SRT8 on order and the guys at work are jealous as all get out. They try to give me a hard time and all they can come up with is that this is a brand new engine and that they would never buy a first year model anything. Can you guys give me a good argument for this? I really don't care myself. I really want this car. I would love to be able to shut them up.

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The 6.4 is a good engine, just like the 5.7 or 6.1. Its basically bullet proof and has gone through numerous tests. Its not new, its updated. Don't let them discourage you. Like you said, seems they are just jealous.
 

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Ok, I have a SRT8 on order and the guys at work are jealous as all get out. They try to give me a hard time and all they can come up with is that this is a brand new engine and that they would never buy a first year model anything. Can you guys give me a good argument for this? I really don't care myself. I really want this car. I would love to be able to shut them up.

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Seems like pretty common human behavior to start trying to knock something down when they're jealous of it. You shouldn't have to feel defensive about it.

As far as how good the engine is, I know that they spent over 5 years developing it, and have put it through many strenuous tests. For one, they tuned it down from over 525HP because it didn't pass durability testing at that much output (over 200k miles). Trust me, if you put 200k miles on a challenger, who's gonna care if it wears out? That's a lot if smiling...

I wouldn't worry about it, really.
 

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Don't worry, once you get in that car and you step on the gas pedal you're going to forget all those stupid comments. All those people that talked all that crap, will be wondering what the hell you're always smiling at. :banana:
 

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I don't know yet if it's a good enigine or not. But Dodge must think so as it's warranty is better than the 6.1 engine. The 6.1 was just a 3 year 36,000 mile while the 6.4 is 5 year 100,000 mile.

I can say after driving mine for a week it's a hell of lot stronger and more fun then the 6.1.
 

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Here what the SRT engineers' have said about the origin of the 6.4:

"The 392 is a combination of new, modified 6.1L, and carry over 6.1L and 5.7L We use what works for us. Most parts are new...The 6.4L block is an all new casting with different machining. The 6.4L bore is larger by .9 mm but the block is not designed for bigger bores than that (even though people can and do increase the bores)."


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It's just like in the latest Challenger ad...essentially, the envious can say anything about you or the car, but what it all comes down to it, you can defuse all of it with, "Ooh, you got me! Excuse me, I gotta go drive my Challenger, now..." ;)
 

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I have a 2006 300CSRT8 with 6.1 it has 151,000 miles on it and has never missed a beat, last time I changed the oil which I do only every 6000 miles it was only down 1/2 quart, so 12,000 miles per quart, my 426 used 50w 1 quart every 193 miles! I still have the orginal plugs, and I run regular all the time. I also drive it like I stole it. I like mopars approach to flexfuel as all hemi's have the optional dual fuel burning capablity it burns both gas and rubber!
 

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tell them to go suck eggs. The 6.4 will be ok just going to have to keep it stock.
Are the internals forged ?
Figure Saleen , Hennessy , Hurst will offer blown versions
I can see Hennessy redoing the entire motor
not so much hurst or saleen
 

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Great question. And it's awesome in the context of the whole muscle car phenomenon.

The interesting thing about the question is that in this sphere of car appreciation it's always the very first thing to be modified by enthusiasts. That's been the hallmark of muscle cars since the beginning - a production car that you can mess with in your garage. Obviously this 392 isn't anything like the original FirePower used in the '57 300C, etc. That engine was one of the easiest to modify and could be tweaked to produce some pretty outstanding results.

Production confidence is a relative thing. That's why you have your Dodge enthusiasts, your GM enthusiasts, and your Ford enthusiasts. Each one will tell you why each company is better and why the others lack. When it comes to production performance vehicles, the truth is - and this is going to seem massively blasphemous to most here - the Corvette ZR1 is the best all-round production sports car produced in North America. That said, and even though it's an absolutely amazing machine, it's not for everyone (the price ensures that as well). Personally, I'd rather have a Challenger because nostalgically that's what I identify with. When I look at an old one I'm transported to some summer day in my youth in the 70's, as if they represent some lost, magical era.

Production cars, like the Challenger, are always going to have slight faults. One of the big ones over the last few years has been hood alignment. Most, if not all, of the SRT8's and R/T's that I've seen on lots were uneven. Having driven a bunch of different models, timing issues were apparent in fully half of the automatics. That being the case, we're talking about cars below the $45,000 dollar mark, cars that aren't totally out of reach to those that can't afford to pay ridiculous sums - and even more, wouldn't want to.

Over the last 20 years I've had the good fortune to drive a lot of different cars. I've driven Lamborghini's and hated them because they're designed for midgets, Ferrari's that are outstanding but entirely ruined because of the use of paddles and not a proper gearbox, the great M3 E36 (still the best M car ever made next to the original M1 and the M 36/8 - which I owned - the next generation Challengers wouldn't be produced for another seven years). Aston's, Jag's, a Shelby, on and on. But when it came time to choose what I finally wanted to own outright, it was a Challenger. There wasn't even a decision involved. For all of the little foibles that you have to deal with, there's just something about them that, for me, kills everything else.

Yes, a Porsche GT3 is an amazing automobile. 435 bhp, 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, and it'll climb to 310 kph and handle at high speed almost better than it will in the middle. Unlike a Challenger, its weight distribution is exacting, which means that off the line it's fast, it corners fast, and it handles like a porn star looking for work at the AVN's. But what it doesn't do is produce "that sound" and the ghosts of its predecessors don't feel like they're there with you. You're not some kid sitting at the end of a driveway in the summer watching the older kids on your block mess with an engine imagining that one day that'll be you. In the end, for me, that's what being behind the wheel of a Challenger is all about.

That just went way off topic, but what the hell.
 

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The only thing that disappoints me quite a bit, is the fact that it is not fully forged, which IMO, it should be. For goods sake, the ****ing Viper is not forged, WTF? If you keep this motor, all motor (meaning - no boost or nitrous), it will last well beyond the 100K point. I bet this motor will easily handle full bolt-ons, heads, cams etc. like a champ - just not boost or nitrous for prolonged periods. It was not designed to from the very beginning. I think it is an excellent motor! 12.40s in a 4200lb. car is pretty freaking impressive.
 

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LOL, I didn't want to give you guys the impression that the people I work with where upsetting me. It is, for the most part, just friendly banter. I was looking for a good snappy comeback and maybe a few fun facts to back it.

Just a point of note. Mattewgood, You hit the nail right on the head. Good show and great writing. Thanks
 

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LOL, I didn't want to give you guys the impression that the people I work with where upsetting me. It is, for the most part, just friendly banter. I was looking for a good snappy comeback and maybe a few fun facts to back it.

Just a point of note. Mattewgood, You hit the nail right on the head. Good show and great writing. Thanks
 

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I think the 392 is a excellent stock high performance engine.
 

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Ok, I have a SRT8 on order and the guys at work are jealous as all get out. They try to give me a hard time and all they can come up with is that this is a brand new engine and that they would never buy a first year model anything. Can you guys give me a good argument for this? I really don't care myself. I really want this car. I would love to be able to shut them up.

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The most collectible old muscle cars were always the first year of production. They could have said the same thing about the first 340, 440, 426, or 302 327, 350 and 427, or the 302, 351C, and the 427. Look what you would have missed waiting to find out if the motor works. They all worked! The 392 will also work. Go to the Richard Petty driving experience and see how hard those 6.1's work, all day long. Dang impressive! Made me not afraid to drive it hard like....:)
 

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They will really be crying when they see you driving it Have Fun making them eat crow !!!
 
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